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Coronavirus (Covid-19) informational thread
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We've learned a lot. Survival rate is much higher than the 1918 pandemic. Life expectancy in general is very high. Thing is, these things are very difficult to prepare for (you never know what to expect). It's not like in the movies in which a vaccine is ready in a week.
This is a passage from the Wiki, re: the 1918 Spanish Flu:
Clearly that's a different scenario, different medical practices, etc.
Yea what good is limiting inside if outside has a crowd. And I've read posts from the elderly that say that shelves are still bare. Getting so sick of these form letter emails from stores lying. If the supply chain was fine, we wouldn't see empty shelves every single time we go.
I believe Dr. Fauci (W.H. Task force) stated something along the lines that C/19 will present a stage where it goes dormant, but resurrects itself again in the fall/colder months. The question I have, is not when C/19 resurrects itself, but does it come back as a more aggressive/altered strain different from its current state as it stands today.
NOLA and Florida have some scary numbers that are escalating rapidly. Clearly they’re not exercising ‘social distancing’/segregating in a safe manner. I have (Well...had) a 10 day vacation planned for Florida this summer, I’d say that’s probably a ‘no go’ as of today given the state they’re headed.
Details still need to be released, but for anyone who thinks because they're healthy, workout and are < 40 yrs/old, be aware of these sorts of reports:
www.news4jax.com
Possibly some undisclosed underlying medical issue, an immune system that couldn't handle it, again, just more of a PSA that it's not not a given for anyone, regardless of your age, fitness level, etc.
Man, 40, dies ‘unable to breathe’ in Miami Beach after coronavirus infection
More than 1,700 patients have died of the disease in the U.S., according to the CDC.
Possibly some undisclosed underlying medical issue, an immune system that couldn't handle it, again, just more of a PSA that it's not not a given for anyone, regardless of your age, fitness level, etc.
Unfortunately, it won't matter how many stories of people his age/health and much younger dying, they'll still always be far too many with the "It won't happen to me" attitude.Details still need to be released, but for anyone who thinks because they're healthy, workout and are < 40 yrs/old, be aware of these sorts of reports:
Man, 40, dies ‘unable to breathe’ in Miami Beach after coronavirus infection
More than 1,700 patients have died of the disease in the U.S., according to the CDC.
Possibly some undisclosed underlying medical issue, an immune system that couldn't handle it, again, just more of a PSA that it's not not a given for anyone, regardless of your age, fitness level, etc.
What's worse, is that it's more likely to be those around people with this mindset that are most at risk.
Details still need to be released, but for anyone who thinks because they're healthy, workout and are < 40 yrs/old, be aware of these sorts of reports:
Man, 40, dies ‘unable to breathe’ in Miami Beach after coronavirus infection
More than 1,700 patients have died of the disease in the U.S., according to the CDC.
Possibly some undisclosed underlying medical issue, an immune system that couldn't handle it, again, just more of a PSA that it's not not a given for anyone, regardless of your age, fitness level, etc.
Two things that are in focus now with research on this virus are things already known about how some other viruses (measles, for instance) behave inside the human body.
One is frequency or density of initial exposure to the virus, e.g. front-line medical caregivers, or a living/travel situation with multiple people who are infected but possibly asymptomatic, at least initially.
The other and related issue is that there can be downsides of either the body's too weak or too vigorous production of antibodies in response to the virus. It's essentially an inflammatory response, so there are byproducts of a defeat of the viral effort to attack, and those must be processed out of the tissue and bloodstream, thereby testing the functionality of organ systems not directly attacked by the virus itself.
How Does the Coronavirus Behave Inside a Patient?
We’ve counted the viral spread across peoples; now we need to count it within people.
Yaxomoxay, i was spot on, that was i was talking about the other day....
www.reuters.com
Italian scientists investigate possible earlier emergence of coronavirus
Italian researchers are looking at whether a higher than usual number of cases of severe pneumonia and flu in Lombardy in the last quarter of 2019 may be a signal that the new coronavirus might have spread beyond China earlier than previously thought.
There is strong link between the nasty flu that was terrorizing Italy and Covic19 in Sept/Oct 2019.
Now if we assumed the virus is originated from China it must've been there before it hit Europe. Means August, July or even earlie which really contradicts with the 3000+ death toll and lower infections in China comparing to Europe.
What i mean is if the virus was spreading undetected in China say between Sept 2019 to Feb 2020 it would've have been a disaster due to heavy population ↙️
www.businessinsider.com
Now if we assumed the virus is originated from China it must've been there before it hit Europe. Means August, July or even earlie which really contradicts with the 3000+ death toll and lower infections in China comparing to Europe.
What i mean is if the virus was spreading undetected in China say between Sept 2019 to Feb 2020 it would've have been a disaster due to heavy population ↙️
23 shocking photos that show just how crowded China has become
China's one-child policy has been lifted, but how much more crowded can it get than this?
www.businessinsider.com
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Wow. This story describes the detective work in tracing the eight strains they know of so far. This is Andromeda Strain level stuff here.
8 strains of the coronavirus are circling the globe. Here's what clues they're giving scientists.
8 strains of the coronavirus are circling the globe. Here's what clues they're giving scientists.
It's great that scientists have so many more tools nowadays to help in figuring out stuff like how or whether a virus mutates, whether its method of transmission is susceptible to suppression via social distancing, etc.
It means the researchers can get much more quickly to granular levels of "how come this person died and this one didn't?" and "why did these young people get sicker than those in the same age cohort but different location?" and so forth.
Makes me realize how much more fearful people rightfully had to remain for so long during outbreaks of earlier coronaviruses. Science at sub-cellular levels has made huge strides since the outbreaks of SARS nearly 20 years ago. Knowledge is power, and detailed knowledge about the mechanisms of a particular viral pandemic is a huge assist to our ability to minimize harm to both people and the economies they rely on.
In Greece we have full lockdown for the last 10 days and schools - shops closed since early March.
The problem is that I don’t think it’s easy to limit this virus and you can’t keep people locked for more that 1-2 months.
Our only hope is summer as I don’t think you’ll have any sort of medicine or vaccine anytime soon.
The problem is that I don’t think it’s easy to limit this virus and you can’t keep people locked for more that 1-2 months.
Our only hope is summer as I don’t think you’ll have any sort of medicine or vaccine anytime soon.
cabin fever is real and takes hold fast for those not used to staying at home, hell there is a difference in staying at home because you want too and being told to stay at home.....
Details still need to be released, but for anyone who thinks because they're healthy, workout and are < 40 yrs/old, be aware of these sorts of reports:
Man, 40, dies ‘unable to breathe’ in Miami Beach after coronavirus infection
More than 1,700 patients have died of the disease in the U.S., according to the CDC.
Possibly some undisclosed underlying medical issue, an immune system that couldn't handle it, again, just more of a PSA that it's not not a given for anyone, regardless of your age, fitness level, etc.
Perfectly healthy people can and will drop dead or suffer immediate organ failure for whatever reason. Life isn't an ER medical drama. This stuff does happen. SCD is a real issue. I'm agreeing with you here if I wasn't clear enough.
So typically I’m a rational person, follow facts and reason, etc. But there are a few times in life one experiences things that one cannot explain. This is one of those experiences.
I’ve only had a few vivid dreams in my life. I’m talking about Inception-movie-level dreams where you feel everything and it carries into waking and overpowers you with emotion that actually feels like it changes you somewhat as a person. I had all of these dreams, or rather “visions” in the summer of 2001.
I’ve only told a few people about this because it’s the kind of thing that makes you sound crazy, but a few weeks before 9/11 in August 2001 I dreamt of being in a helicopter over NYC. There was smoke everywhere and a bunch of rubble where it looks like several buildings fell down. That dream shook me and I was absolutely losing my crap on 9/11. I was in high school.
The other dream took place around the same time but in it, I was older. In the dream large groups of people were really bad. It didn’t really click with me until recently when I thought of it again. Back then I couldn’t figure out why that would be so bad. Post-9/11 I speculated it might be because of terrorism. In the dream I had a wife who was a brunette, although I couldn’t make out particular facial features. Up until that point I had only dated blondes and redheads and wasn’t really attracted to brunettes, but I was also kinda shallow. I ended up marrying a brunette about 8 years later. In the dream we were all locked down to our houses and not allowed to leave. There were troops patrolling the streets and we were under martial law. Some people would move through neighborhoods moving supplies around and trading items by jumping fence after fence. One of my kids had a birthday party and I remember trying to get some balloons to decorate. For some reason we celebrated in the garage, which didn’t make sense to me at the time. But my sons birthday is this summer and the garage thing kinda makes sense if trying to isolate since it’s not connected to the HVAC for the rest of the house, if someone was sick and needed to isolate.
Here are the things I can’t yet explain. In the dream, my wife dies, but it’s from shrapnel? Heart wrenching moments at the hospital as they try to save her and I arrive on the scene. My grandparents also die, unclear from what. At a later point, I’m away from my kids and with an old friend from my home town. This is how I could tell about how far into the future it was because he was starting to get some gray in his beard and just looked a bit more worn. We travel to my grandparents house to see what kind of supplies they may have had since they live in the woods. Along their gravel driveway the bushes are all cut really short and they have a gate. Back then the my didn’t have a gate and had really tall bushes along the driveway, but years later they added a gate and mowed down the bushes to a really short height (the bushes were huge) because they were burglarized and wanted to deter people as there were some neighbors houses behind the bushes. As we’re traveling down the driveway there are some bright meteors entering the atmosphere above, but strangely they seem to be in a formation of sorts. Kinda starting to wonder if there is some kind of malfunction in space that sends a bunch of satellites crashing into each other or if they were some kind of missile? Then a little while later everything quickly faded through red (like a filter on the world) into solid white, and a radio-sounding voice said “And then they were gone, and the whole world wondered after them.”
That’s some weird crap, right? I have no reason to lie. I’ve been on these forums since 2007 and some people here know who I am IRL. I’m not some kook. I’m a full stack web developer and designer. Not some crackpot making up garbage. Anyway, take that for what it’s worth. Maybe it’s just a huge coincidence. Statistically, given all the people on this planet, it’s a reasonable possibility. But believe me, I’ve been trying to poke holes in these dreams/visions for years as I don’t want them to be true. I wrote them down at the time. So far nothing is inconsistent from reality, even if I did only get bits and pieces.
For what it’s worth, even though I’m a moderate Democrat and big believer in science and reason, I believe in God and think that God has given visions to people before so it’s theoretically possible. It’s just weird that they happened so close together so long ago. But that was also during a time in my life where I felt I was most close to God and I’ve been slowly drifting away since then. Anyway, just wanted to finally get that off my chest.
TL;DR: I had a bunch of vivid dreams in 2001, one that foreshadowed 9/11 and one which appears to be foreshadowing events today. Maybe a coincidence, but wanted to finally share in case it is true and it further validated so people can better prepare. Hope this is all wrong. Stay safe and good health to you all!
I’ve only had a few vivid dreams in my life. I’m talking about Inception-movie-level dreams where you feel everything and it carries into waking and overpowers you with emotion that actually feels like it changes you somewhat as a person. I had all of these dreams, or rather “visions” in the summer of 2001.
I’ve only told a few people about this because it’s the kind of thing that makes you sound crazy, but a few weeks before 9/11 in August 2001 I dreamt of being in a helicopter over NYC. There was smoke everywhere and a bunch of rubble where it looks like several buildings fell down. That dream shook me and I was absolutely losing my crap on 9/11. I was in high school.
The other dream took place around the same time but in it, I was older. In the dream large groups of people were really bad. It didn’t really click with me until recently when I thought of it again. Back then I couldn’t figure out why that would be so bad. Post-9/11 I speculated it might be because of terrorism. In the dream I had a wife who was a brunette, although I couldn’t make out particular facial features. Up until that point I had only dated blondes and redheads and wasn’t really attracted to brunettes, but I was also kinda shallow. I ended up marrying a brunette about 8 years later. In the dream we were all locked down to our houses and not allowed to leave. There were troops patrolling the streets and we were under martial law. Some people would move through neighborhoods moving supplies around and trading items by jumping fence after fence. One of my kids had a birthday party and I remember trying to get some balloons to decorate. For some reason we celebrated in the garage, which didn’t make sense to me at the time. But my sons birthday is this summer and the garage thing kinda makes sense if trying to isolate since it’s not connected to the HVAC for the rest of the house, if someone was sick and needed to isolate.
Here are the things I can’t yet explain. In the dream, my wife dies, but it’s from shrapnel? Heart wrenching moments at the hospital as they try to save her and I arrive on the scene. My grandparents also die, unclear from what. At a later point, I’m away from my kids and with an old friend from my home town. This is how I could tell about how far into the future it was because he was starting to get some gray in his beard and just looked a bit more worn. We travel to my grandparents house to see what kind of supplies they may have had since they live in the woods. Along their gravel driveway the bushes are all cut really short and they have a gate. Back then the my didn’t have a gate and had really tall bushes along the driveway, but years later they added a gate and mowed down the bushes to a really short height (the bushes were huge) because they were burglarized and wanted to deter people as there were some neighbors houses behind the bushes. As we’re traveling down the driveway there are some bright meteors entering the atmosphere above, but strangely they seem to be in a formation of sorts. Kinda starting to wonder if there is some kind of malfunction in space that sends a bunch of satellites crashing into each other or if they were some kind of missile? Then a little while later everything quickly faded through red (like a filter on the world) into solid white, and a radio-sounding voice said “And then they were gone, and the whole world wondered after them.”
That’s some weird crap, right? I have no reason to lie. I’ve been on these forums since 2007 and some people here know who I am IRL. I’m not some kook. I’m a full stack web developer and designer. Not some crackpot making up garbage. Anyway, take that for what it’s worth. Maybe it’s just a huge coincidence. Statistically, given all the people on this planet, it’s a reasonable possibility. But believe me, I’ve been trying to poke holes in these dreams/visions for years as I don’t want them to be true. I wrote them down at the time. So far nothing is inconsistent from reality, even if I did only get bits and pieces.
For what it’s worth, even though I’m a moderate Democrat and big believer in science and reason, I believe in God and think that God has given visions to people before so it’s theoretically possible. It’s just weird that they happened so close together so long ago. But that was also during a time in my life where I felt I was most close to God and I’ve been slowly drifting away since then. Anyway, just wanted to finally get that off my chest.
TL;DR: I had a bunch of vivid dreams in 2001, one that foreshadowed 9/11 and one which appears to be foreshadowing events today. Maybe a coincidence, but wanted to finally share in case it is true and it further validated so people can better prepare. Hope this is all wrong. Stay safe and good health to you all!
Here, we are asked to stay home for 1 month. Schools closed two weeks before that, yet the virus is not impacting as many kids as adults. Not that it was a bad idea to close schools, just a little late protecting all the parents, grandparents, and other adults.
Andromeda strain, not quite, most of the info I have read is it is not mutating very quickly which is good news for an eventual vaccine.
I'm far from a biologist(I'm a chemist who avoided biology as much as possible) but from what I understand, there's really no "reason" so to speak as of now for the virus to evolve.
A virus's whole reason for being is to spread and multiply. As it is now, SARS-COV-2 is remarkably effective at spreading, and it can do so in most hosts without killing them(or if it does kill, it's only after a protracted period of time).
Furthermore, as of now, there are no widely used medications to treat it, no vaccines, and current hosts very likely don't have an sort of immunity to it.
As of now, it's pretty much a "perfect" virus.
Incidentally, as I understand it, that's also one of the real dangers of using only a marginally effective treatment. If you use a treatment that-for example-only kills 25% of the virus present in a host, the other 75% can go on and may develop complete resistance to that drug.
Yesterday there were several groups of 6-10 kids all crowded together on the side of the road, our county left the beaches open, but closed parking - so just like you might imagine, the sides of the roads were packed with cars, creating all sorts of dangerous situations with people crossing A1A. Anyway, after being open for 2 weeks after all the beaches to the north and south have been closed, they county __finally__ closed it today (starting at 6a).
I mean, it's a bummer for locals, but of course, that's usually the case where some uncaring minority ruins it for the rest of us. Me and my family who live a couple of blocks from the beach, who chose to live here, support and appreciate what we have, that are the most impacted. The people who drive in, trash the place and go home just shrug it off, no biggie, it's just spring break, this is our __home__.
LEOs everywhere today, tactically positioned, tons of sheriff department ATVs as the gas station. I saw some idiots with beach gear, looking like they were figuring out where to park and how to cross over - hahaha, I wish I could be there to see their faces when they get told to go home.
I mean, it's a bummer for locals, but of course, that's usually the case where some uncaring minority ruins it for the rest of us. Me and my family who live a couple of blocks from the beach, who chose to live here, support and appreciate what we have, that are the most impacted. The people who drive in, trash the place and go home just shrug it off, no biggie, it's just spring break, this is our __home__.
LEOs everywhere today, tactically positioned, tons of sheriff department ATVs as the gas station. I saw some idiots with beach gear, looking like they were figuring out where to park and how to cross over - hahaha, I wish I could be there to see their faces when they get told to go home.