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South Florida (Well..FL in general) is in a terrible state. I just received a notification today my timeshare resort investment, completely closed their doors For the first time in their operating history. (They have been a family owned resort since the 70s.)

I logged in some ‘remote cameras’ on the resort, and it’s eerie, it was such a gorgeous looking day, sunny, Palms swaying, the blue waves hitting the white sandy beaches off the Gulf, and no one to be found On the resort or beaches.

I was reading about South Florida, and aside from the spring break demographic, they’re (Locals) are having a difficult time Adhering to the social distancing in larger crowds. The aftermath, is that everyone has to suffer because of others negligence and mistakes. Really unfortunate.
 
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Wait until we find out what happens in Turkmenistan. Talk about magical thinking. Their extremely autocratic head of state has decreed that the media not use the word "coronavirus". One can be arrested for wearing a face mask on the street or for discussing the coronavirus by that name. The word has been removed from health-related brochures available in schools, workplaces and HOSPITALS, even though the government has allowed handing out of wipes on the street, and permits discussion of "respiratory infection".

Turkmenistan has reported zero cases of Covid-19. Next door neighbor Iran has reported 44,000 cases.

 
Wait until we find out what happens in Turkmenistan. Talk about magical thinking. Their extremely autocratic head of state has decreed that the media not use the word "coronavirus". One can be arrested for wearing a face mask on the street or for discussing the coronavirus by that name. The word has been removed from health-related brochures available in schools, workplaces and HOSPITALS, even though the government has allowed handing out of wipes on the street, and permits discussion of "respiratory infection".

Turkmenistan has reported zero cases of Covid-19. Next door neighbor Iran has reported 44,000 cases.


Eek! I hope travel bans are in place. That's a disaster waiting to happen.
 
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This may be a dumb question, but I'm wondering about it nevertheless.

If you don't wear gloves while shopping at the supermarket, you might encounter corronavirus germs on the shopping cart handle. You might also encounter them on products in the store, or at the checkout stand. If you then touch your face before you get home, you could get the virus. Once you are home, you can thoroughly wash your hands (and perhaps some of the products you bought) and be relatively safe again.

But what if you wear disposable gloves, like people I now see in markets? Germs from the shopping cart or items in the store or at the checkout counter will be on your gloves. If you then touch your face before you get home, you could get the virus. Once you are home, you can peel off the gloves and throw them away, and perhaps wash some of the products you bought, to be relatively safe again.

So what good do the gloves do?
 
This may be a dumb question, but I'm wondering about it nevertheless.

If you don't wear gloves while shopping at the supermarket, you might encounter corronavirus germs on the shopping cart handle. You might also encounter them on products in the store, or at the checkout stand. If you then touch your face before you get home, you could get the virus. Once you are home, you can thoroughly wash your hands (and perhaps some of the products you bought) and be relatively safe again.

But what if you wear disposable gloves, like people I now see in markets? Germs from the shopping cart or items in the store or at the checkout counter will be on your gloves. If you then touch your face before you get home, you could get the virus. Once you are home, you can peel off the gloves and throw them away, and perhaps wash some of the products you bought, to be relatively safe again.

So what good do the gloves do?
Your thought process is all wrong. The gloves act as a barrier between you and a possible infection touchpoint. Once you are done with the possible infection risk, you dispose of the gloves.

That's what happens in operating rooms, your dentist's office, the catering kitchen, etc .

In a stricter healthcare environment, you scrub first, put on the gloves, do whatever you need to do, remove the gloves and scrub again. Watch someone in a healthcare facility remove their gloves. They do it so they end up inside out.

The nurse doesn't keep the gloves on, fill out some forms, adjust some equipment settings, etc.

The people you see driving in their own cars with gloves and face masks are complete idiots. If they used that protective gear outside, they just increased their infection chances by spending more time in a place with confined air circulation with gear that might already be infected.

The glove can have infectious substances so you get rid of it as soon as possible.

This is the same basic principle as condoms (which provide both birth control and disease protection). You do know that once you have finished sex, you should properly dispose of the condom? You don't just put your underwear back on over your sheathed penis, go to sleep, etc.

This is more common sense than anything else.
 
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So, when I’m out in public, I actually have these black leather Kevlar gloves that I’ve been wearing (I have two pairs that I rotate). [They are cuff gloves, where they basically come just shy of my wrists, and are formfitting], but I use them when I’m out in public, and I use a Miniaturized Lysol spray bottle to disinfect them After being in public. When I’m wearing these gloves, I don’t touch my phone, keys or anything personally that would cross contaminate. But I don’t let my bare hands touch anything that other people would be able to touch as well, without wearing these gloves. But that’s just me, that’s how I’ve been training my whole life, not just because of C/19.

But on that note, it’s the little things I’ve been paying attention to that I see how people contract something like C/19 so easily. For example, A male walks out of a gas station, grabs the door handle to exit, then reached into his pocket, takes a cigarette out, then puts in his mouth and light it. He obviously had to touch the part of the cigarette that would be inserted into his mouth, which is a clear example of how something is transmitted that easily.
 
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The gloves act as a barrier between you and a possible infection touchpoint. Once you are done with the possible infection risk, you dispose of the gloves.
That's what I'm referring to. If items in the market, like fruit in open bins, may have been contaminated by other shoppers, just when are you done with the possible infection risk?

If you peel off the gloves as soon as you leave the market, you'll be touching the contaminated shopping cart while loading groceries into the car. If you peel them off after loading the car and before driving home, then you'll touch the same contaminated groceries when you unload the car. And if you peel them off after getting the groceries into the house and wiping them down, you've contaminated your car. It seems to me that you need at least two pairs of gloves, one in the market, taken off when you're about to drive home, and a separate pair for unloading and wiping down groceries after you enter your house.
 
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Wait until we find out what happens in Turkmenistan. Talk about magical thinking. Their extremely autocratic head of state has decreed that the media not use the word "coronavirus". One can be arrested for wearing a face mask on the street or for discussing the coronavirus by that name. The word has been removed from health-related brochures available in schools, workplaces and HOSPITALS, even though the government has allowed handing out of wipes on the street, and permits discussion of "respiratory infection".

Turkmenistan has reported zero cases of Covid-19. Next door neighbor Iran has reported 44,000 cases.


I worry for Japan. The Japanese government seems to have its head in the sand IMHO. With the population densities of their cities and reliance on public transport..... I just hope they can manage.
 
But what if you wear disposable gloves, like people I now see in markets? Germs from the shopping cart or items in the store or at the checkout counter will be on your gloves. If you then touch your face before you get home, you could get the virus.

I'm a chemist, which means that in my day job I wear gloves all the time both to keep what I'm handling off my skin and to fingerprints/other stuff off what I'm handing.

For me, there's something of a mental "switch" that flips in my brain when I put on gloves that tells me not to touch my face or any other part of my body.

BTW, I also take off gloves the way illustrated above. I don't want to come into contact with what's on the gloves.
 
I saw something disturbing today and it’s kind of what has been rehashed over and over by our government officials, local community support centers, CDC, etc In Terms of proper hygiene.

Anyways, I was just wrapping up a ‘call’ at an apartment complex, And I observed a female standing by some entrance doors into an apartment complex, and next thing I know, a delivery driver gets out of their car, and handed her Some items. As she was walking back into this ‘entry Corridor’ into the apartment complex, I saw her coughing vigorously Without any effort of covering her mouth. Within less than a minute, I watched two males walk into the same corridor area as she did, breathing that trapped air, which is exactly how COVID-19 is transmitted. Now, I’m not saying what she has or doesn’t have (Which actually is irrelevant), but What is relevant, this is what’s wrong with not stopping the spread when you can’t even take simple measures by coughing into the crook of your arm, etc. And it’s unfortunate for those two males Who unknowingly might have contracted exactly what she has by breathing the air, where she was coughing. That’s how easy it is all due to negligence.

I made the personal decision weeks ago, any contacts I have with members of a Community, it will not be in there living quarters whatsoever, everything has to be conducted outside, also including a safe distance with any discussion.
 
All I know is this Covid 19 is very freighting and I can’t wait for it to be over! However I doubt it’ll be anytime soon... I’m thinking maybe a year before we come close to normal...
 
Past experience shows that once a city reaches the top of the curve, and the infection rate starts to drop, people relax their guard, and cities may loosen their restrictions, which causes a second "bump" -- a followup increase in infections. I expect that to happen this time too.
 
Past experience shows that once a city reaches the top of the curve, and the infection rate starts to drop, people relax their guard, and cities may loosen their restrictions, which causes a second "bump" -- a followup increase in infections. I expect that to happen this time too.

So what are your thoughts as far as getting a handle on this?
 
I don't have a solution for this particular problem, except to make as many people as possible aware of it. I'll do my part by staying out of public places for a while longer even when we're told that we're free to be out there.
 
Living in a buggy place, I was concerned about this:
Can coronavirus be spread through mosquitoes?
Not according to WHO
 
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Is it possible to sue China over thousands & thousands human toll, billions or trillions financial loss and other? I know its not the right time to say this but i think gross negligence is contributed to this mess we are in now and its affecting every person around the Globe.


Not a bad guess from Healer..

If proven guilty :
1) China owe's a duty of care to the World

2) That duty of care was breached by concealing vital information and failing to alert the world that could've saved lives around the globe.

3) Extensive damage has been done (Human toll, financial and economical)





 
Italy's rate of new cases has been on a slow but mostly downward trend the past two weeks or so. Even more telling to me at least is that their number of active infections is increasing VERY slowly(to the tune of a couple hundred a day) and I suspect it may actually drop today or tomorrow. That's at least one ray of hope in all this mess.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next couple of weeks in the US. Some states seem to be close if not "over the hump"-New York in particular-although their new cases and active cases are still far and away higher than anywhere else in the US.
 
I like how our state is treating the pandemic process of ‘re-opening’ the communities. Essentially, we have a {five stage} process of where our infection rate has remain at a certain percentage and if it continues to increase at a higher risk (Not including deaths), then the reopening process in our community will be a very slow process Based on the progression. Our governor met with a league of advisers and I think he devised a plan that really will work ‘long term’ to ensure that we’re not undoing everything that’s been positively gained thus far.
 
If you peel off the gloves as soon as you leave the market, you'll be touching the contaminated shopping cart while loading groceries into the car. If you peel them off after loading the car and before driving home, then you'll touch the same contaminated groceries when you unload the car. And if you peel them off after getting the groceries into the house and wiping them down, you've contaminated your car. It seems to me that you need at least two pairs of gloves, one in the market, taken off when you're about to drive home, and a separate pair for unloading and wiping down groceries after you enter your house.
Nailed it! Don't touch anything in your car with the potentially contaminated gloves on. You can only touch the outside to open the trunk, lift gate or door in order to load the goods. Second pair goes on while in the car, before touching that outside handle again.
 
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