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Coronavirus (Covid-19) informational thread
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Not everyone presents with pneumonia or lung lesions. Pneumonia can also be the result of a bacterial secondary infection. So I suppose in that sense it’s similar to the flu.
Treating the symptoms is all you really can do. In addition to what you mentioned, you could also treat the symtoms of cough, congestion, etc. In the more severe cases hospitalization would be required for things like mechanical ventilation. Antibiotics would be required for secondary lung infections.
Coronavirus reported cases in Texas as of March 6= 5, 4 in my county: Harris. My impression all travel related. https://dshs.texas.gov/coronavirus/#casecounts
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A quick search reveals:
*Coronavirus testing looks for signs of a coronavirus infection in nasal secretions, blood, or other body fluids. Coronaviruses are types of viruses that infect the respiratory system. They are found in both animals and people. Coronavirusinfections in people are common throughout the world.
Coronavirus Testing: MedlinePlus Lab Test Information
medlineplus.gov/lab-tests/coronavirus-testing/
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Excellent point regarding secondary complications. I wonder if when you present yourself to your doctor, would the average doctor have testing capabilities (assume not), what kind of sample do they take? Where I live most likely that sample would have to be sent out. And I assume if your symptoms are mild, they would not automatically send you to the hospital. I imagine they might automatically prescribe antibiotics.
A quick search reveals:
*Coronavirus testing looks for signs of a coronavirus infection in nasal secretions, blood, or other body fluids. Coronaviruses are types of viruses that infect the respiratory system. They are found in both animals and people. Coronavirusinfections in people are common throughout the world.
Coronavirus Testing: MedlinePlus Lab Test Information
medlineplus.gov/lab-tests/coronavirus-testing/
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There are always super spreaders for everything, but on the grand scale of things they don't drastically alter the rate of transmission. As we alter our social behaviors to adapt to this, the impact of potential super spreaders should go down. They're usually not Typhoid Maries/Barries out to spread disease. They're often just social butterflies.
More worrying is that from a just released WHO report, they determined that Covid 19 was contagious very early and sometimes before people were symptomatic.
We’re learning a lot about the coronavirus. It will help us assess risk
We need to learn a lot more about the coronavirus. But we're already learned a lot — and it will help us assess risk.
www.statnews.com
On a more optimistic note, the WHO also went on record stating that Covid 19 is not so contagious that we can't contain it. They believe that implementing social behaviors that reduce the chance of transmission combined with aggressive social tracing once positive cases show up can be effective in blunting the spread and impact of this disease.
Hey, they should make this a game! 
Wait... https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/plague-inc-time-to-play.2225822/. Actually one of the better iOS games out there.
Honestly, what I would seriously question is the idea of a mister with certain oils in it somehow designed kill the virus as you inhale it or coat you lungs with protective oils. 👀
Wait... https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/plague-inc-time-to-play.2225822/. Actually one of the better iOS games out there.I concede your point as very valid. I agree it would be important that it be clarified that it should be assumed this practise has little if any protective effects in of itself and would not substitute in any way for the precautions taken unless the plan is to carry the portable mister and constantly spray yourself with it.
Honestly, what I would seriously question is the idea of a mister with certain oils in it somehow designed kill the virus as you inhale it or coat you lungs with protective oils. 👀
Looking at the links in post 1, I like the Johns Hopkins link, for the world map, then select a country to see the map for that specific country.
Those are different kind of masks. It's much easier to block dust particles than it is to block a virus.
Yes, but in the event of a shortage, it's actually in your father's best interest to go without a mask to allow healthcare workers to have more masks because if healthcare workers start going down, the general population will get sicker and more critical which indirectly results in greater risks of infection as hospitals fill up or have difficulty admitting everyone who should be admitted. If the people who need it most don't have it, everyone's risks go up.
In any case, they're still not sure what the most common means of transmission are. That's how new this virus is. We're all trying to take a crash course in Infectious Diseases 101 and Covid19 alongside the experts at the same time. A WHO report states that most of the transmission in China occured in the home, but there are some unexplained discrepancies in that report.
There's a pretty good 2+ page discussion on masks in this thread starting on this page:
people are getting seriously stupid
A month ago everyone was a constitutional scholar and today everyone is an expert on infectious diseases. Who says American education is in trouble?
The mass hysteria is stupid. This is a serious matter, but not enough that we need to be emptying stores. Keep some supplies, yes, but the stores are still getting goods. Most of this stuff will still be there the next time you go.
My wife has a box of mask’s she bought a year ago from the local Japan store, but I have no idea what they are intended for because it‘s Japanese writing on the box!
Yes, I recommend a 1 year supply of toilet paper for the upcoming apocalypse as if that will be the primary concern.
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Added this to post 1:
Traveling Overseas? 20 U.S. Airports Are Screening for Coronavirus—Here’s What You Can Expect
Which U.S. Airports are Screening For Coronavirus?
The CDC recommends avoiding all nonessential travel to China, South Korea, Italy, and Iran.
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Please provide a credible citation that as of today, March 7 2020, COVID-19 is a "pandemic."
Someone above posted "high mortality over 40". That number is inaccurate. Mortality rate for adults ages 40-50 is around 0.4%.
Based on data provided from a number of countries, particularly South Korea, the death rate is probably 1% or less. The reason I say that is because South Korea is testing far more people than other countries.
Based on data provided from a number of countries, particularly South Korea, the death rate is probably 1% or less. The reason I say that is because South Korea is testing far more people than other countries.
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South Korea’s numbers need time to smooth out. They just recently started testing everyone, but the critical cases usually die between 3-6 weeks from first onset of symptoms according to the WHO. Their case fatality rate is being diluted by a high number of new diagnoses. Even with those fresh numbers, they’re still running a rate of 6.5 deaths per 1000 or over 6x more deadly than this year’s flu. I don’t think we should be pinning our hopes to this being a lot more mild than expected.
This take is medically irresponsible. The case count cannot be diluted. The more you test, the more accurate the number of cases. As the number of cases approaches infinity, the death rate converges.
This is confirming what experts have said all along and matches behavior of similar coronaviruses such as H1N1.
FYI I reported this post, recommending its cancellation. I also clarified to the mods that I am sure that the post was not ill intended, so no “yellow card” for you.
I don't think I communicated my point very well. South Korea currently has 7041 infected and 44 dead. You can't calculate the fatality rate by dividing 44 by 7041 because some of the people in that 7041 will eventually die.
It typically takes 3-6 weeks for the disease to run its course in people who die. We won't be able to interpret what their numbers mean for at least a few more weeks when there are enough recovered vs dead to be statistically significant.
The South Korea numbers are not reason to be optimistic that this will be a nothingburger. Even at this early phase with the death ratio diluted by the newly counted, they're still sitting at a case-fatality-ratio of 6 deaths per 1000. This means that if not a single more death occurs among their current count of 7041 infected, it will already be six times more deadly than this year's flu.
Most experts have been saying that the fatality rate is probably going to be around 1%. Some think it'll be a bit higher and some think it'll be a bit lower.
Anywhere near 1% is not like similar coronaviruses or H1N1. H1N1 is no deadlier than a normal flu. The closest coronavirus is CoV-SARS which had a confirmed death rate of almost 10%. Thank goodness it's not anything like SARS.
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I have to give kudos to Costco, limit is 2 cases of water or TP so they act civilized .
In my personal experience, I am just as likely to run into a moron walking around in public than to run into a person who knows their butt from a hole in the ground. It's sad but true.
Online, twice as likely to run into morons.
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I sort of get the toilet paper thing... but I have to do a lot of mental gymnastics. And even then, buying and hoarding dozens of rolls?
The bottled water thing has me flummoxed. The water never got shut off in China. Why would it get shut off in the US or any other developed country? Anyway, if that is a real concern, one would think that the thing to do is to buy large water containers - think 50+ gallons. And start filling while water is still flowing through the tap.
I am open to the idea that I am the moron in this scenario but somehow I doubt it.
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I’m not sure if this has been discussed already but I’ve noticed hand sanitizers sold out everywhere... I’ll let @yaxomoxay decide if any of this should be added to the wiki.
1. The CDC’s official guidance for the public is to regularly wash hands thoroughly with soap. If a sink is unavailable, then use hand sanitizer. In other words hand sanitizer is less preferred to hand washing. Liquid soap is preferred to bar soap (rinse bar before using). Hand sanitizer is not effective against killing all pathogens and does not mechanically remove them or other materials. In quite a number of circumstances hand washing is more effective.
2. Wash hands for at least 20 seconds (sing happy birthday twice. Follow proper hand washing technique. Believe it or not, hand washing technique actually makes a big difference in removing pathogens (and demonstrated practicality in hospital studies). Please review this even if you think you know how to wash your hands.
3. The CDC recommends hand sanitizer containing a minimum of 60% alcohol. Products with less than 60% are not considered effective (and above 95% is also not effective as some water is needed to destroy the pathogen’s proteins).
4. Alcohol-Free hand sanitizers may not be effective or as effective. Such products should be considered last choice after alcohol-based and hand washing. NOTE: There are a lot of products that are alcohol-free sold under brands like Purrell that are often associated with alcohol-based hand sanitizers. Some products are not obviously marked, so always check the label
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The EPA has also released a list of approved cleaning products:
Take note in the above link of the EPA registration number system explanation. Only products with EPA Reg. No.’s listed are approved... BUT Brand name products are often marketed under different brands/names but share the same ingredients and efficiency. These products can be identified by sharing the first two sets of numbers in the EPA Reg. No. (Format is XXXXX-XX-XXXX). So basically the third number set is irrelevant.
Be sure to read the directions to ensure maximum effects. Some products might recommend letting it sit for a minute before wiping away.
Also, these products are designed for cleaning surfaces, not your hands or body. Doing so may have negative health effects.
1. The CDC’s official guidance for the public is to regularly wash hands thoroughly with soap. If a sink is unavailable, then use hand sanitizer. In other words hand sanitizer is less preferred to hand washing. Liquid soap is preferred to bar soap (rinse bar before using). Hand sanitizer is not effective against killing all pathogens and does not mechanically remove them or other materials. In quite a number of circumstances hand washing is more effective.
2. Wash hands for at least 20 seconds (sing happy birthday twice. Follow proper hand washing technique. Believe it or not, hand washing technique actually makes a big difference in removing pathogens (and demonstrated practicality in hospital studies). Please review this even if you think you know how to wash your hands.
3. The CDC recommends hand sanitizer containing a minimum of 60% alcohol. Products with less than 60% are not considered effective (and above 95% is also not effective as some water is needed to destroy the pathogen’s proteins).
4. Alcohol-Free hand sanitizers may not be effective or as effective. Such products should be considered last choice after alcohol-based and hand washing. NOTE: There are a lot of products that are alcohol-free sold under brands like Purrell that are often associated with alcohol-based hand sanitizers. Some products are not obviously marked, so always check the label
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The EPA has also released a list of approved cleaning products:
Take note in the above link of the EPA registration number system explanation. Only products with EPA Reg. No.’s listed are approved... BUT Brand name products are often marketed under different brands/names but share the same ingredients and efficiency. These products can be identified by sharing the first two sets of numbers in the EPA Reg. No. (Format is XXXXX-XX-XXXX). So basically the third number set is irrelevant.
Be sure to read the directions to ensure maximum effects. Some products might recommend letting it sit for a minute before wiping away.
Also, these products are designed for cleaning surfaces, not your hands or body. Doing so may have negative health effects.
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Thousands held on cruise ship off US west coast as scientists say: ‘This is now a pandemic’
Warning after 21 test positive on liner, while in Spain police lock down blocks of flats and in China a quarantine hotel collapses
My Family back in Italy is now in the red zone. They are in complete lockdown.