Coronavirus (Covid-19) informational thread

[jkcerda]

It got worse, the news media was not telling the absolute truth or were being told a more pleasing version to the public, there has been even discusons on it is worse then the flu...had the feeling it would spread more, New England may just get more cases.

THIS IS MURIKA.
were we riot because our team lost, hell we riot because our damn team won, if we go full moron & panic there will be more deaths from idiots than from the virus itself.
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I started getting worried when it became clear that China kept this under wrap for two months

I only did when the mass quarantines in other countries happened, still here I am at work with no real options out there, like most Murikans I can't afford to stay home under self quarantine.

 

[JagdTiger]

Why are you so offended that I keep pointing out there's a fundamental error in how people are calculating death rates? If I were fear mongering, I'd point out that the US death rate right now is 3.6%, which is even higher than the WHO's world average, but we know that number is almost certainly flawed by a lack of testing leading to an artificially low infected count. Do you believe that the US death rate is one of the highest in the world? That's how you told me to count the numbers.

If I were fear mongering I'd be trying to adjust everyone's numbers toward the maximum. Instead, I comment on numbers that make too great of an assumption because they're relying on too small of a sample size or a highly skewed data set such as the US numbers and South Korea's.

Quite frankly, all the stats are flawed right now. Ironically, right now the only numbers that are robust enough to infer judgement on are China's.

The numbers could be kept to a minimum to down play the real stats and keep people from going chaotic.

 

[smirking]

I love what I do every day. I have the best coworkers in the world. I wouldn't want to change my job for any other.

I know what you mean. It's been over 20 years for me since I was a clinician and I still miss being part of a treatment team. That feeling was only reinforced when I had to go in for hand therapy some years ago and my Occupational Therapist easily figured out that I wasn't just another patient even though I had coached myself on how I should talk to sound like an average layman off the street.

After 15 minutes of my initial appointment, she called me out on that I seemed to be hiding something. It made me realize, "A part of me never left. They can see it."

 

[JagdTiger]

Good grief.

I have been following this story pretty closely; the very best of luck to those of your family who are in the country.

The Vatican seems to be okay, they took the Pope away to hide him from this virus, they must have plenty of supplies with the billions of dollars they have...at least the ministry there quarantined themselves.

 

[edvj]

Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’, study says

Health authorities advise people to stay 1-2 metres apart, but researchers found that a bus passenger infected fellow travellers sitting 4.5 metres away.

www.scmp.com

 

[JagdTiger]

Movement is more or less still allowed within your area, so you can go to the market and buy some food. They just don't want people from one region to begin infecting people in other regions thus making everything more difficult.
Theatres, museums, churches, etc. are all closed.
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Just confirmed. Emergency protocols and quarantine rules extended to all of Italy.

So not just the north anymore, to many ways to spread it.
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corona virus details

A month would be better.
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I think it would simultaneously take some measure such as quarantine combined with warm weather to really slow this thing.

Also might want to turn the air conditioning off if you have it.

It may be wise to keep the HEPA filters going with ionization...micron filters with activated carbon could help take it out of the air.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’, study says

Health authorities advise people to stay 1-2 metres apart, but researchers found that a bus passenger infected fellow travellers sitting 4.5 metres away.

www.scmp.com

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According to Italian media this study has been debunked and it was also pulled because it's not reliable.

 

[motulist]

1) No mass events.
2) Stop shaking hands.
3) Wash your hands.
4) Don't hang out in enclosed spaces with poor air circulation with a lot of people.
5) If you get sick. Assume the worst. Do not give it to anyone if you can help it.

That's it!

There's at least one more.

6. Increase "social distance", which means when you're in an area with other people try to put space between yourselves. For example if you have a meeting with 10 people you should reserve the larger conference room and keep an empty chair between each person.

You should increase the distance between each person as much as possible.

 

[JagdTiger]

buddy who has family in Spain says they are about to go on lock down.

Coronavirus cases in Spain jump to over 1,000

In one day, number of confirmed cases in capital Madrid doubled to over 469 - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

When this happens it's now become pandamic or very close to it.
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If that's the line you're taking, then I have news for you. They're about as effective at stopping coronavirus transmission as gun control legislation.

That is not a fair statement, you have not used them nor did research on the many extracts of oils and what they are used for.

 

[nicho]

That is not a fair statement, you have not used them nor did research on the many extracts of oils and what they are used for.

I find it weird that you're responding to me in a completely random order despite saying you won't engage with me anymore but it is what it is.

On the face of it, it is you who has not done any research on the many extracts of oils and their usefulness in treating COVID-19. You certainly haven't provided any.

 

[JagdTiger]

A gentle reminder that this is a thread about COVID-19 and not about removing mold and mildew and strange looking warts from your toes. If you weren't introducing the idea that mold and mildew were in some way responsible for spreading the coronavirus (hint: they're not at all) then you've actually failed to advance any information on how essential oils will prevent or treat COVID-19. Not even incorrect information - none at all, despite imploring others to do research.

You are not doing any research.

I gave info on another post about what essential oils do which is from Manchester University in England and the stats of it eliminating e coli, staph infection and plague and how a French scientist used essential oils to help himself and ww1 vets...research.
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Again, that argument falls down when you consider that a large number of doctors outside the US are not on commission and yet the result is no different.

Well outside the United States other countries do use alternative medicines.
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Because it isn't always a case of "here's some ********, prove me wrong" like The Donald.

Here's why your position on essential oils in this case is wrong. Viruses don't transmit through mold or mildew any more than they transmit through unpleasant thoughts.

Here's How To Check for Mold and Get Rid of Mildew Smell

Mold can smell musty, sweet, or earthy. Mold emits microbial volatile organic compounds (MVOCs), which can cause difficulty breathing and nausea.

www.health.com

They may have other benefits, like making someone smell nice. There may even be some health benefits. But the research you've provided thus far is barely worthy of the term, and the only other defence you have provided to the use of essential oils is tinfoil hat in nature, that "big pharma" doesn't want us to know about them.


Yesterday you claimed that the first heart medicine was a plant called foxglove. You know what happens if you eat foxglove? You get poisoned, and you can die. Touching the plant can cause skin irritation. There is a huge difference between an ingredient and the end product.

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You know how penicillin is made? Mold.

You know how asperine is made?, from the bark of a tree.
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I find it weird that you're responding to me in a completely random order despite saying you won't engage with me anymore but it is what it is.

On the face of it, it is you who has not done any research on the many extracts of oils and their usefulness in treating COVID-19. You certainly haven't provided any.

I did, you have not read them.
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I never said viruses spread through mold or mildew but essential oils stop them from occuring.
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I find it weird that you're responding to me in a completely random order despite saying you won't engage with me anymore but it is what it is.

On the face of it, it is you who has not done any research on the many extracts of oils and their usefulness in treating COVID-19. You certainly haven't provided any.

I needed to ad something more, now either read those articles I posted or stop insulting a product you have no knowledge of.
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I work in a hospital that treated a coronavirus patient last week. Definitely true to say this is NOT just a "bad flu". The thing that bugs me most...is when people keep saying "you know we have a flu going around right? And it's killing more people?"
Yes...there are more flu cases right now and more deaths from the flu. But...percentage wise...coronavirus is more dangerous. Especially because there is no vaccine. The US isn't prepared for a widespread outbreak. The hospital I work in is one of the biggest in the area. If coronavirus goes widespread here, we will be overwhelmed. Fast. We don't have the space. The population within a 15 mile radius of my hospital is over 2 million. There isn't a single hospital in the area that would be able to handle a widespread outbreak.

There is not enough rooms, many will suffer...so alternative theories should be put into practice.

 

[compwiz1202]

THIS IS MURIKA.
were we riot because our team lost, hell we riot because our damn team won, if we go full moron & panic there will be more deaths from idiots than from the virus itself.
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I only did when the mass quarantines in other countries happened, still here I am at work with no real options out there, like most Murikans I can't afford to stay home under self quarantine.

As long as the idiots only end each other and there is no innocent collateral damage, less idiots are left.

I wish they would start mandating work from home for people with jobs that could be viable. I would prefer to be quarantined as long as I can work from home or get paid for any mandatory time off from work.

 

[macduke]

Starting to get nervous about this. My grandparents are in their late 70s and they're pretty much the only family I have left outside of my wife and kids. They're like parents to me at this point.

I have nearly two months worth of non-perishables stocked up now. I always have a couple weeks worth of MREs in storage since I live in tornado alley and an area that gets bad ice storms where you can be without power for weeks, so I just added to that with some canned goods and such. I'm already a light prepper with a tub full of survival gear because of where we live but even my wife who is never this way is getting freaked out. Other people I know are doing the same. My sister-in-law is typically really chill and doesn't worry too much about anything but my wife said she is prepping a bunch now as well and saying she is really nervous. It's just weird that I've always been the one preparing for some crazy event and now I'm the one that's more level-headed. Guess it's because I've kinda mentally prepared for this?

The thing I'm glad about is that it doesn't really seem to affect children much, especially those under 10. Both of mine are under 10, though my daughter does have asthma that has been healing and improving over the years. The thing I worry most about is other people panicking and a general breakdown of order. Considering purchasing a shotgun for home protection. I know a lot about firearms from my grandpa who helped design the 5.56x45mm NATO but I've never owned one myself. Hoping it doesn't come down to that but you never know.

How is everyone else preparing? How bad do you guys think it could get?

 

[jkcerda]

source .

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has deployed the National Guard to New Rochelle, a coronavirus hot spot just north of New York City.

“This is unique in the United States of America, we haven’t seen this anywhere else. Think about it, New Rochelle has double the cases of New York City, it’s true, it’s a phenomenon,” Cuomo told reporters Tuesday in announcing the deployment. Westchester County, where New Rochelle is located, had 108 COVID-19 cases out of the 173 confirmed infections across the state, according to state health department data Tuesday.

 

[JagdTiger]

source .

Great, now because of that if things go haywire (remember the university in Ohio) this could set off something nobody wants.

 

[bunnspecial]

You know how asperine is made?, from the bark of a tree.

This is not entirely true.

"Aspirin" (not "asperine") is acetylsalicylic acid(ASA). It is an ester of acetic acid and salicylic acid, and in fact is a simple enough reaction that synthesizing it from these compounds (or preferably acetic anhydride, but that's beside the point) makes a good undergraduate chemistry experiment.

Salicylic acid is actually the active metabolite of ASA. The ASA is hydrolyzed in the acidic environment of the stomach to salicylic acid and acetic acid.

The reason we don't take salicylic acid directly is because it's actually a skin and mucous membrane irritant. In fact, salicylic acid is used in some skin care products because it causes skin cells to slough off. The esterified form with acetic acid can be safely digested until it reaches the stomach, where it is somewhat less irritating than in the mouth and esophagus (although it can still cause issues if there are pre-existing issues in your stomach like ulcers). Incidentally, it tends to hydrolyze to some extent in the bottle. This is why aspirin smells like vinegar. I have never examined a fresh bottle of reagent-grade ASA (i.e. not pharmaceutic stuff, but stuff bought from chemical companies), or aspirin tablets either for that matter, where I couldn't isolate at least some salicylic acid.

BTW, another salicylic acid ester is in common use for topical pain relief. Methyl salicylate, or the ester of salicylic acid and methanol (and also known as oil of wintergreen), is used, and is what gives many pain creams their characteristic smell.

In any case, the long way about this is that salicylic acid is known to be found in willow bark. Industrially, however, it has been a really long time since production salicylic acid was isolated from willow bark. Now, it's primarily made by reaction phenol with carbon dioxide.

 

[jeyf]

Starting to get nervous about this... How is everyone else preparing?

i guess I am not nervous or preparing
your 70y old parents might be concerned

i read from a few sources its spread at home a lot. You might do the research. One family member has a low grade infection and the whole family is down with it.

 

[smirking]

How is everyone else preparing? How bad do you guys think it could get?

We just bought a large bag of frozen veggies in case we can't get fresh ones for a while. We live in earthquake country so we already had a small reserve of food and water anyway.

I don't think we need to be afraid of anarchy. A total collapse of order isn't the danger here. The danger is that we overwhelm the capacity of our hospitals so that preventable deaths in both the Covid-19 and the regular hospital population occur because there aren't enough resources to treat them or the ambulances and ERs are paralyzed and can't respond in time to something like a poison emergency or a heart attack.

Slow down the rate of infection and we should be fine. Our hospitals will have more time to discharge existing patients, shore up staffing, and get in shipments of protective equipment.

If you're feeling anxious, watch this video. Watch to the end because the part that might allow you to exhale is in the final minute. Don't worry if the math parts gets hard to understand. It's really not important that you understand the equations.

The takeaway message: "If people are worried, we have nothing to be worried about, but if people aren't worried, we have a lot to be worried about."

I'm seeing fewer people say "It's just a flu" so I have hope we're getting into the right mindset. That mindset might be the difference between 100 million infected worldwide before summer or just 400,000.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Starting to get nervous about this. My grandparents are in their late 70s and they're pretty much the only family I have left outside of my wife and kids.

Good luck man. Hopefully this invisible monster does not infect so easily.

I have nearly two months worth of non-perishables stocked up now. I always have a couple weeks worth of MREs in storage since I live in tornado alley and an area that gets bad ice storms where you can be without power for weeks, so I just added to that with some canned goods and such. I'm already a light prepper with a tub full of survival gear because of where we live but even my wife who is never this way is getting freaked out. Other people I know are doing the same. My sister-in-law is typically really chill and doesn't worry too much about anything but my wife said she is prepping a bunch now as well and saying she is really nervous. It's just weird that I've always been the one preparing for some crazy event and now I'm the one that's more level-headed. Guess it's because I've kinda mentally prepared for this?

The thing I'm glad about is that it doesn't really seem to affect children much, especially those under 10. Both of mine are under 10, though my daughter does have asthma that has been healing and improving over the years. The thing I worry most about is other people panicking and a general breakdown of order. Considering purchasing a shotgun for home protection. I know a lot about firearms from my grandpa who helped design the 5.56x45mm NATO but I've never owned one myself. Hoping it doesn't come down to that but you never know.

How is everyone else preparing? How bad do you guys think it could get?

We can survive about a couple of weeks. Got enough food and water.

 

[iOS Geek]

Well...here we go. A case was confirmed in a neighboring county as well as one in my county.
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Ooh boy, this is unsettling. The confirmed case in my county is a teenager who has not travelled and has no known connections to any of the other cases in the state.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Walmart implements emergency leave for hourly coworkers ( https://www.cbsnews.com/news/walmart-coronavirus-emergency-leave-policy-workers/ ). Good to know as they usually set the standard. Potentially they will lose lots of money.

"Walmart on Tuesday said it is implementing an emergency leave policy for the retailer's 1.4 million hourly workers in response to the coronavirus, saying they'll receive up to two weeks pay if they have to be quarantined or are diagnosed with the illness."

 

[smirking]

Walmart implements emergency leave for hourly coworkers ( https://www.cbsnews.com/news/walmart-coronavirus-emergency-leave-policy-workers/ ). Good to know as they usually set the standard. Potentially they will lose lots of money.

This is going to devastate small businesses if it doesn't slow down in the USA. I have a lot of friends who own small businesses. None of them can afford to give their employees sick leave and people know that employees of a small business are more likely to show up for work sick which is just going to put them at a further disadvantage.

Walmart will be fine even if they take losses for years on end. My friends won't survive to the end of the year under worsening conditions.

 

[yaxomoxay]

This is going to devastate small businesses if it doesn't slow down in the USA. I have a lot of friends who own small businesses. None of them can afford to give their employees sick leave and people know that employees of a small business are more likely to show up for work sick which is just going to put them at a further disadvantage.

Walmart will be fine if they lose all their profits for the next five years combined. My friends won't survive.

Small businesses will likely be in trouble as people will tend to leave the house less and less, and as more people will get sick. Only saving grace is if this is truly seasonal, as we said before. They better brace for the next couple of months.

 

[4sallypat]

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Walmart will be fine even if they take losses for years on end. My friends won't survive to the end of the year under worsening conditions.

Walmart will be definitely fine - they will claim the payouts as a tax deduction under disaster & casualties.
They will still keep the bottom line at end...

 

[iOS Geek]

Two new cases being treated at my hospital as of today, as well