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Off to work! As long as we don’t have any huge influx of cases in the next 12 hours...I should be staying in L&D! Far from the unit where the two cases are being treated. Let’s power through and get through this, people! It’ll come to an end some day. Sooner rather than later, hopefully.

STAY HEALTHY!
 
I gave info on another post about what essential oils do which is from Manchester University in England and the stats of it eliminating e coli, staph infection and plague and how a French scientist used essential oils to help himself and ww1 vets...research.

The more you repeat stuff like this, the more difficult it is to stay within the forum rules.

Another reminder that COVID-19 is not ecoli or plague. It’s useless research and nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you want to push your agenda take it elsewhere, please.

To illustrate. Sometimes, guns kill people. Therefore if we ban guns, less people might die. That’s about as relevant to COVID-19 as anything else you’ve posted. Just stop, please.
 
there are things we can do as individuals and there are things to be done by the government (cannot believe I say this) such as freezing any and all movement and most business activities for the incubation period plus some days in order to slow down the spreading of the virus

otherwise hospitals will not be able to keep up with treating the increasing numbers of the gravely ill

the sooner it is done the better

posting from Northern Italy, Milan where a complete lock-down for 10-15 days is being pondered (and hopefully executed). things are really getting out of hand here quickly and the government is too slow to react
 
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This?> They have been saying for decades to stop using antibacterial soap because it produces resistant, super bacteria.

Here is my hypothetical, Northern Italy is put under quarantine and everyone cooperates. So 14 days go by snd then what? Is it assumed that the virus is gone, what has changed? What is the next step?

Re: Soap, yes and no. Some agents found in soap can produce resistant bacteria. Tricolsan was very common in antibacterial soaps and was observed to not only breed resistant bacteria, but cause cross-resistance with other antibiotics- such Floroquinolone antibiotics (Cirprofloxacin, Levofloxacin, Moxifloxacin, etc). This is pretty significant given these are commonly used and are fairly powerful antibiotics. Triclosan was banned from soaps in 2016 (and other products, but still exists in others).

The currently approved agents in soaps and hand sanitizers have been chosen due to their low risk of promoting bacterial resistance (ie BZK). So presumably there shouldn’t be a huge risk in using antibacterial soap now- though technically the jury, in this case the FDA, is still out. But I think it’s fair to say the risk is pretty low. As I mentioned depending on the mechanism of action of an antiseptic, the ease in which bacteria can develop resistance is quite variable.

Re: Quarantine- it’s a great question. In some sense I feel like people are treating the situation like a short term problem, like a hurricane or blizzard. In reality this is going to be a long term problem. From a practical standpoint, I think it makes more sense only for those infected or suspected to be to self-quarantine- life has to go on. High risk individuals (elderly, sick, immunocompromised) should probably consider limiting contact. Otherwise, I’m not sure shutting everything down is the answer- unless want to wait around locked in our homes for a year or more until vaccines are available.

As I said in another thread, uncontrolled community spread is inevitable. Trying to contain the virus is like trying to contain the seasonal flu. It simply isn’t feasible.

Like it or not we’re in this for the long haul. The good news you have pretty low risk of death or severe symptoms unless you’re immunocompromised or elderly, especially with co-occurring major health problems. In a study of 72,000 cases published in JAMA, the average age of death was 69. Children thankfully seem to be minimally affected. This isn’t to minimize the dangers of COVID-19, rather we need to keep things in perspective. We should be focusing our attention on protecting the most vulnerable. It would be a poor use of resources to not prioritize those most at risk of severe complications and death. I’d rather get sick as a young and healthy man with a statistically favorable prognosis instead of my 95 YO grandfather in declining health- or anyone else in a high risk pool.

The primary goal should no longer be to contain the virus across the country- that ship has sailed (probably before even our first case was identified) and was unrealistic to begin with- or at least completely and absurdly impractical. Instead, the primary goal should presumably be to prevent as many deaths and limit cases that would require advanced medical care.
 
Here is my hypothetical, Northern Italy is put under quarantine and everyone cooperates. So 14 days go by snd then what? Is it assumed that the virus is gone, what has changed? What is the next step?

Wuhan still confirmed 13 cases today, despite being on a much stricter lockdown for the best part of 7 weeks. It most definitely won't be gone and fine in 14 days.
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There was also a case study by Chinese scientists that suggests that the effects of air conditioning may help the virus stay afloat, stay viable, and travel farther (at least in an enclosed space).

There was a similar study done after SARS comparing a fancy hospital in Vietnam where it spread among workers, patients and visitors to the much less fancy hospital they sent cases to afterwards. AC was speculated to be one of the factors in that spread, too, whereas the second hospital opened the windows for ventilation instead.

 
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11March New York Times Daily Briefing seen in Apple News:
As of this morning, at least 1,015 people in the U.S. have tested positive for the virus, and at least 31 have died. There are cases in 38 states and Washington, D.C.
 
Do you have a source? If you can't post an article with this information, it probably shouldn't be here.
I'm not sure whether this has been posted, but there's interview done by Channel 4 UK with a doctor in Lombardy who is in charge of coordinating multiple ICUs. It's quite an informative interview and offers a glimpse on how their healthcare is very much overwhelmed at this point.


Testimonies from multiple doctors in Italy as well as a video directly from one of the ICUs in Lombardy can be found here

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/rare-look-inside-italian-hospitals-coron-id692744061
 
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How Coronavirus Hijacks Your Cells

The SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus
The virus that causes Covid-19 is currently spreading around the world. At least six other types of coronavirus are known to infect humans, with some causing the common cold and two causing epidemics: SARS in 2002 and MERS in 2012.

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Spike
proteins
Proteins
and lipids
Covered With Spikes
The coronavirus is named after the crownlike spikes that protrude from its surface. The virus is enveloped in a bubble of oily lipid molecules, which falls apart on contact with soap.

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ACE2
Entering a Vulnerable Cell
The virus enters the body through the nose, mouth or eyes, then attaches to cells in the airways that produce a protein called ACE2. The virus is believed to have originated in bats, where it may have attached to a similar protein.

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Spreading the Infection
Each infected cell can release millions of copies of the virus before the cell finally breaks down and dies. The viruses may infect nearby cells, or end up in droplets that escape the lungs.

Not the whole story. See the link.
 
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there is not a lot of official Coronavirus information in the US
i read a semi clinical article.
It was of the opinion that the virus spreads at home. So if a parent gets the virus it will spread throughout the house quick. If you have grandparents living with you this situation could be deadly.
 
there is not a lot of official Coronavirus information in the US
i read a semi clinical article.
It was of the opinion that the virus spreads at home. So if a parent gets the virus it will spread throughout the house quick. If you have grandparents living with you this situation could be deadly.
Yeah, my wife is an ER doctor so I am pretty concerned I'm likely to catch coronavirus at some point.

I'm 32 and reasonably healthy (exercise 4-6 times per week, mild hypertension treated), but I admit I have trouble sleeping when my wife is working a night shift.
 
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IMO you have to be your own advocate here, our Government is clearly not going to help you. Besides common sense measures, washing hands, staying away from crowds, etc. just stay in unless you absolutely have to go out. I have an underlying condition and am taking no chances at all, I'm basically holed up and everything that comes in to my home is being sanitized as it crosses the doorway. Worst case, I'm overly paranoid. Best case, I don't get it.
 
It was of the opinion that the virus spreads at home.

The WHO's China mission concluded that healthcare workers were actually getting infected when they went home instead of at the hospital.

Worst case, I'm overly paranoid. Best case, I don't get it.

I'm normally one of those people who just keeps going on the same as the day before, but I have a family member who's in a high risk category so I have to stop taking risks that I don't need to take as well.
 
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I'm 32 and reasonably healthy (exercise 4-6 times per week, mild hypertension treated), but I admit I have trouble sleeping when my wife is working a night shift.

I'd hazard to assume that when they say "pre-existing condition" they're talking more along the lines of diagnostic criteria in 1950 when if you had hypertension, you were so far along you should have done something about it a decade ago. In one account I read about how treatments on critical patients given by Wuhan doctors were faring, it identified the conditions in more detail and said the ones with uncontrolled diabetes and other undiagnosed silent conditions that weren't being treated were among the worst off.
 
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I'd hazard to assume that when they say "pre-existing condition" they're talking more along the lines of diagnostic criteria in 1950 when if you had hypertension, you were so far along you should have done something about it a decade ago. In one account I read about how treatments on critical patients given by Wuhan doctors were faring, it identified the conditions in more detail and said the ones with uncontrolled diabetes and other undiagnosed silent conditions that weren't being treated were among the worst off.
Right. You would expect hypertension to be a comorbidity in a disease that predominantly kills the elderly. The longer humans live, the more likely they are to have hypertension (something like 90% of humans would get it if they lived long enough).

I guess I just don't want to find out. And I don't know if you're married, but I'm as worried if not more worried about my wife.
 
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The WHO's China mission concluded that healthcare workers were actually getting infected when they went home instead of at the hospital.



I'm normally one of those people who just keeps going on the same as the day before, but I have a family member who's in a high risk category so I have to take no risks that I don't need to take as well.
I'm in the high risk category, so as a result my wife quit her job at a grocery store where she was handling cash and in close contact with people all day, which we consider high risk. I work from home so we can sustain it for now, we just have to tighten our belts.
 
there is not a lot of official Coronavirus information in the US
i read a semi clinical article.
It was of the opinion that the virus spreads at home. So if a parent gets the virus it will spread throughout the house quick. If you have grandparents living with you this situation could be deadly.

I have the feeling that my family went through Coronavirus... back in late December.
My mother in law visited us for Christmas, so she flew all the way from Italy/Germany (Lufthansa). After a week, she fell sick with fever, coughing, etc; we thought it was the flu and it went so bad that she decided to visit an urgent care. She tested negative, and she was let go with a generic "respiratory infection" diagnosis. Thankfully, she recovered, but a week after that my wife got sick. High fever, coughing, sneezing, etc; again, back to the doctor, tested for the flu: negative but "clearly a respiratory infection". Then in early January my youngest kid got the very same thing. Again, same story; negative for the flu. In late January very early February it became my oldest son's turn. Same story. Then I got sick, luckily I felt like crap for only a day.
 
Small businesses will likely be in trouble as people will tend to leave the house less and less, and as more people will get sick. Only saving grace is if this is truly seasonal, as we said before. They better brace for the next couple of months.
Cinemas too because that is a great place to spread this virus.
 
I guess I just don't want to find out. And I don't know if you're married, but I'm as worried if not more worried about my wife.

I sympathize with you. My wife is in a high risk group.

I'm feeling resigned that we will have an outbreak in at least one city now, but I'm still hoping that it won't be as sharp of a spike as Italy or Wuhan because many of our cities (presumably) implemented social distancing sooner than they did in China and Italy.

Your wife's an ER doc. I deeply hope we're not asking her to be a hero beyond the normal ER MD heroics soon.
 
I sympathize with you. My wife is in a high risk group.

I'm feeling resigned that we will have an outbreak in at least one city now, but I'm still hoping that it won't be as sharp of a spike as Italy or Wuhan because many of our cities (presumably) implemented social distancing sooner than they did in China and Italy.

Your wife's an ER doc. I deeply hope we're not asking her to be a hero beyond the normal ER MD heroics soon.
Yeah, we'll see. She is at a smaller community ER, but who knows at this point. The city of Austin has done a lot to prevent the spread so far. As of now, there are no reported cases in the metro area.

Appreciate your vibes.
 
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