Dells are really so insanely cheap.

[someguy]

you mean... because you can't protect your computer appropriately, i'm living on borrowed time? i feel perfectly secure about my computer (and secure about my ability to protect my computer).. unlike someone here

I bet your computer isn't half as "clean", or free of malware, as you think it is. It sounds to me (based on the fact that you feel safe without a firewall, AV program, and anti-spyware software running on a Windows machine) that you really don't know what your doing.

I'd be willing to bet that I can dig up at least 10 different malicious pieces of software actively running on your Windows machine that you do not know about, at least 3 of which are hogging resources to some degree.

I bet you won't find anything on my Mac.

 

[yellow]

you mean... because you can't protect your computer appropriately, i'm living on borrowed time? i feel perfectly secure about my computer (and secure about my ability to protect my computer).. unlike someone here

You cannot sit there with a straight face and tell me that Windows doesn't need an anticirus software, a firewall, or any sense of automatic software updates. If you can, then you'll have to explain to me why there are millions of Windows users out there with zombified PCs and they don't even know it.

And it doesn't change the fact that an unpatched, unprotected PC on an open network is typically compomised within 30 minutes.

Hence, me saying you're on borrowed time.

i'm saying apple is overpriced because their profit margin (which by the way, is the money they get from you and me) is higher than other manufactures.. it has nothing to do with whether i can legally run OS X (and no, i dont bother, i do that on mac).. i'm not comparing apple straight w/ dell, that'd be comparing apple w/ orange, i'm comparing the profit margin of apple against that of dell, apple has a high margin

I have no idea what Apple's (or Dell's) profit margins are per computer, if you do, please provide a link where you got such information. Beyond that speculation, Dell can have a lower profit margin because they sell X amount more computers (I say X because I don't know exactly how many more they sell annually) than Apple, so therefore, they can keep their profit margins lowers and their comptuer prices lower knowing full well that they will still garner X profit.

 

[trueheart78]

are you comparing mac pro or macbook? the DO differ in price, you know?

Macbook Pro

Dell offers mobile workstations (ie: laptops) that start out more costly by default than the most expensive Macbook Pro in default setup.

 

[bearbo]

I bet your computer isn't half as "clean", or free of malware, as you think it is. It sounds to me (based on the fact that you feel safe without a firewall, AV program, and anti-spyware software running on a Windows machine) that you really don't know what your doing.

I'd be willing to bet that I can dig up at least 10 different malicious pieces of software actively running on your Windows machine that you do not know about, at least 3 of which are hogging resources to some degree.

I bet you won't find anything on my Mac.

you are assuming, or "betting" too much

i didn't say i don't use firewall, and such, i don't go buy them and install them to have them hogging my resource.

i use the windows firewall, firewall in my router, and windows anti-spyware thingy. i thoroughly scan my computer every half yr, in case anything slipped in.

i doubt you can find anything on my computer, i just checked few weeks back, nothing on there.

provided, i don't download dangerous stuff, it's not my primary computer, but it is on 24/7 and i do use it to browse internet.

and don't say i dont know what i'm doing.. do you?

now how much do you want to bet?

You cannot sit there with a straight face and tell me that Windows doesn't need an anticirus software, a firewall, or any sense of automatic software updates. If you can, then you'll have to explain to me why there are millions of Windows users out there with zombified PCs and they don't even know it.

And it doesn't change the fact that an unpatched, unprotected PC on an open network is typically compomised within 30 minutes.

Hence, me saying you're on borrowed time.



I have no idea what Apple's (or Dell's) profit margins are per computer, if you do, please provide a link where you got such information. Beyond that speculation, Dell can have a lower profit margin because they sell X amount more computers (I say X because I don't know exactly how many more they sell annually) than Apple, so therefore, they can keep their profit margins lowers and their comptuer prices lower knowing full well that they will still garner X profit.

as i said, i DO use firewall, but i dont buy the, i use the ones came w/ windows, and my router. (i do agree, if i dont use anything at all, it would be disaster)

you even said dell can have lower profit margin because yadda.. but it's still profit.. thus, apple charges more profit per computer than dell.. here you helped me proved it.

 

[someguy]

i doubt you can find anything on my computer, i just checked few weeks back, nothing on there.

I'd love to hear how you "checked".

And I'd bet $100, based on what you've already stated in previous posts about how you "protect" your computer, that it isn't as clean as you think.

 

[matttrick]

god you guys are freaking cult like. get a clue. os x is great. so is xp. sure you have more to worry about with xp, but if you have half a brain you can setup free security tools easily and have no problems.

 

[trueheart78]

thus, apple charges more profit per computer than dell.. here you helped me proved it.

I'm not sure that's bad thing. As long as that is used to pay the engineers that continue to develop the software that's used everyday, everyone's probably gonna be ok with it.

Microsoft doesn't get much moola at all when Dell sells a pc, but when a Mac sells, Apple has it all in there hands, and can manage it for upgrading components and developing software and systems that keep their users coming back.

 

[matttrick]

I'd love to hear how you "checked".

And I'd bet $100, based on what you've already stated in previous posts about how you "protect" your computer, that it isn't as clean as you think.

so what its not like macs are perfect. ive had my mbp hang 2 times in the first few weeks ive had it.

 

[someguy]

god you guys are freaking cult like.

This is true.

so what its not like macs are perfect. ive had my mbp hang 2 times in the first few weeks ive had it.

That had what to do with the argument? When did anyone say Macs were perfect?

 

[dpaanlka]

god you guys are freaking cult like. get a clue. os x is great. so is xp. sure you have more to worry about with xp, but if you have half a brain you can setup free security tools easily and have no problems.

I'm starting to realize that arguing actual points to these people is pointless, since new people always chime in without reading the entire thread and re-iterate ignorant statements made previously.

See, people always fall back on the same old assessments of "cult-like" and "fanboys" when we refuse to say "oh you're right, Macs suck, I'm gonna go buy a Dell now" - which is, of course, what they want us to say.

 

[suneohair]

you mean... because you can't protect your computer appropriately, i'm living on borrowed time? i feel perfectly secure about my computer (and secure about my ability to protect my computer).. unlike someone here


i'm saying apple is overpriced because their profit margin (which by the way, is the money they get from you and me) is higher than other manufactures.. it has nothing to do with whether i can legally run OS X (and no, i dont bother, i do that on mac).. i'm not comparing apple straight w/ dell, that'd be comparing apple w/ orange, i'm comparing the profit margin of apple against that of dell, apple has a high margin

even for mac pro, sure you can't build a computer of that specs for lower than that price, but dont forget when manufacture buys thousands of the parts, they get discounted rate.

Yes profit, that thing businesses try to achieve. Danm them for making so much money!

 

[bearbo]

I'd love to hear how you "checked".

And I'd bet $100, based on what you've already stated in previous posts about how you "protect" your computer, that it isn't as clean as you think.

so $100 it is, do you want my address so you can come over and prove my computer is not as clean as i think?

if you need a more plain language-ed version of what i said.. i run full virus scan, full spyware scan and full malware scan about every half year.. i scan with mcfee, norton, and panda (yes, i scan three times). THAT is the longer version for "checked"

my computer still run like it's new (provided i dont do heavy stuff on it like photoshop three images simutenously), the CPU rarely go above 50%

how can i make you believe what you dont want to believe?

Yes profit, that thing businesses try to achieve. Danm them for making so much money!

i fail to see your argument, sarcastic or sincere

 

[zimtheinvader]

Gamepark!!!

The best deal is those GPx2 consoles! Man, for ~$250 you get a linux box, with tv Out, USB host, office apps, divx, music, all portable, plus a every game console made before 1993. Plus it runs on AA...(no 'sploding or recalls!)


Yes, but the Dells feature significantly more powerful hardware, ie. GTX video cards, Quatro-type professional mobile solutions, plus they used to have more powerful (Xeon) processors, raid HDDs. I am very tempted to indulge in a nice 17" dell home laptop (Nvidia 7900GS) INSTEAD of an Xbox360, since, with the price gouging of 360 games these days it would end up a wash in a years time... If apple would quit stalling and stick in a C2D I would just get a PB and run XP,,,

 

[jhu]

so $100 it is, do you want my address so you can come over and prove my computer is not as clean as i think?

if you need a more plain language-ed version of what i said.. i run full virus scan, full spyware scan and full malware scan about every half year.. i scan with mcfee, norton, and panda (yes, i scan three times). THAT is the longer version for "checked"

my computer still run like it's new (provided i dont do heavy stuff on it like photoshop three images simutenously), the CPU rarely go above 50%

how can i make you believe what you dont want to believe?

oh just face it. by virtue that you admitted to using windows, all the other mac-only people will come at you like sharks to bloody meat. there's really no need to prove anything to anyone. in fact, i'm not really sure why this thread was started.

 

[slick316]

I didn't read through this entire thread, but a lot of people seem to have an issue with Dell. Are your issues with the Dell hardware, or with Windows (software)? Too many times have I seen someone complain about there computer, when its actually Windows that is causing the problems (like spyware pop-ups and such).
I don't like the look of Dell's, too bulky and cheap looking (I'm ruined by Apple laptops), but I have 4 friends with Dell's, and my uncle uses Dell's at all of his hotels, and his home. None of them have a bad thing to say about there computer/laptop or Dell for that matter. My uncle had the accidental damage replacement plan on his Dell laptop (that small 12" model). He dropped it once. They sent him a NEW one as a replacement next day. Not bad service at all.
I like Dell monitors and there cheap computers, I wouldn't hesitate to buy either. Their laptops (consumer models) need some work in the looks departed, and need to shed some weight for them to appeal to me.
I love Apple products, OS X is great, and Apple products in general to me are appealling and of high quality, that is why I buy Apple.

 

[suneohair]

i fail to see your argument, sarcastic or sincere

Clearly sarcastic. What difference does it make if Apple has higher profit margin? And the other poster was right. Dell can (and now has to) sell computers at a lower price.

Dell sells more units thus making their Average Total Cost lower, meaning they can afford to sell at a lower price. Which is what the market wants, thus Dell gives that to the market.

Apple in contrast sells less and thus their avergae total cost is more per unit. So they sell at a higher price.

So Apple may not have a higher profit margin. If you have the numbers please share them. Until you do however, what you are saying is purely speculation. And based on basic economic princples there is an explanation for Apples higher prices.

Now, lets say Apple does have a high profit margin. Big whoop. They are a business. What is a firm/business set out to do? Maximize Profit. So really what kind of argument is this? If they can sell it at X price more power to them. If it wasn't selling then guess what? They would lower the price.

 

[JAT]

I'm dead serious. Just stay off the porn and warez sites and the windows computing world is much more pleasant...that and always being behind the firewall of my router at home and the firewall at work. Even Vista RC1 has been very stable for me but I have not been running it long enough to be able to comment on the long-term performance.

Yes, XP is almost perfectly usable here at work. Of course, it's behind over $10,000 worth of network equipment and software, plus hundreds in yearly fees to keep it virus (and other nasties) free. At home, my Macs do this a bit better, for zero $$$ extra.

Did I mention the IT guy at over $50K/year? I did almost get him to buy me a Mini instead of this box. Almost.

 

[awhitaker]

I just built a Dell Inspiron E1405 Dual Core and a MacBook Dual Core with exact specifications on each. Granted there are some differences and I added Anti-virus for the Dell and the Dell came out to $1,563 and the MacBook was $1,648. Not much of a difference.

At my home, we have a Dell laptop, a Dell tower, a Mwave built PC laptop, and a G4 tower. I'd choose the G4 over the others anyday. It's easier to work with. i don't have to worry about viruses. Don't have to load drivers for everything. The OS is painless and easy to understand. Connecting to the internet isn't hit or miss like the PCs. With Macs using Intel chips now, I don't think I'd ever buy a PC ever again. Macs will always be more expensive than PCs because there's only one Apple and their are a handful of PC makers which results in larger inventory of parts which lowers the cost.

When the Core 2 Duos come out for the Apple laptops, I don't the price will increase much.

Also as a note, I have no problem with our Dell computers. Dell makes decent computers at really cheap prices. But when it comes to windows and OSx, that's where Apple wins me over.

 

[yellow]

in fact, i'm not really sure why this thread was started.

Mainly because generik likes to rattle his cage every week or so.

 

[suneohair]

so $100 it is, do you want my address so you can come over and prove my computer is not as clean as i think?

if you need a more plain language-ed version of what i said.. i run full virus scan, full spyware scan and full malware scan about every half year.. i scan with mcfee, norton, and panda (yes, i scan three times). THAT is the longer version for "checked"

my computer still run like it's new (provided i dont do heavy stuff on it like photoshop three images simutenously), the CPU rarely go above 50%

how can i make you believe what you dont want to believe?

Who cares? Trying to prove your computer is "clean" is like trying to prove Mac OS X is more secure through obscurity (which is a horrible argument I must say).

Point: No one knows and no one will ever know. Maybe it is secure because no one uses it. Great for me! Maybe it is secure because of what Apple has put in place in the OS. Great for me again!

This whole argument is pointless. Buy what you like and shut up about it. Seriously.

 

[e²Studios]

Is this your best response?

Wow, Apple users are no better losers than smug Linux nerds jerking off to a picture of Richard Stallman...

Not so much a response as the blatent truth, i think people are sick of seeing you post here on how dell has this or that for x amount cheaper than Apple has it for. Just go buy your dell and get that precious C2D processor you think will make so much difference in your computing lifestyle.

In short, give it rest.

Ed

 

[mikesk8]

The reality of MBP vs. Dell XPS vs. MB vs. is more like Audi vs. BMW vs. VW vs. Mini.

Good comparison! Mini is expensive and small...but super fun to drive! Its like with Apple

 

[suneohair]

Good comparison! Mini is expensive and small...but super fun to drive! Its like with Apple

Last time I checked this was a horrible comparison. Computers are not cars.

Every market is different. Trying to explain one by referencing another is as pointless as masturbating for world peace.

 

[someguy]

how can i make you believe what you dont want to believe?

It's not that I don't want to believe it, it's that I just simply don't. Most PC users are oblivious to what is going on in the background while they are using their PC's. Just because things are running fine, doesn't mean they are. Just because you run an automated scan using software you trust doesn't mean everything is peachy afterwords.

I'm not saying you have 100 viruses, or even one. All I'm saying is that odds are you have software on your hard drive that was not put there by you and is not serving any positive purpose (beit a program, cookie, temporary internet file, registry key, etc.) and if that doesn't bother you, I feel bad for you. It would bother me, and it always has when I was a PC user, which is why I felt it necessary to become educated in keeping my Windows machines squeaky clean, and eventually just selling them and buying Macs.

I doubt we live anywhere near each other, but I'd love to have a look at your machine. Tell ya what, you cover the cost of shipping both ways, and I'll make a list of everything I find on your machine and send it back to you (without removing anything I find if you so choose). If I can't find 10 or more items directly associated to malicious software, I'll reimburse you the cost of shipping it back to you. Sound fair?

 

[bearbo]

Clearly sarcastic. What difference does it make if Apple has higher profit margin? And the other poster was right. Dell can (and now has to) sell computers at a lower price.

Dell sells more units thus making their Average Total Cost lower, meaning they can afford to sell at a lower price. Which is what the market wants, thus Dell gives that to the market.

Apple in contrast sells less and thus their avergae total cost is more per unit. So they sell at a higher price.

So Apple may not have a higher profit margin. If you have the numbers please share them. Until you do however, what you are saying is purely speculation. And based on basic economic princples there is an explanation for Apples higher prices.

Now, lets say Apple does have a high profit margin. Big whoop. They are a business. What is a firm/business set out to do? Maximize Profit. So really what kind of argument is this? If they can sell it at X price more power to them. If it wasn't selling then guess what? They would lower the price.

my point is apple sell their computer at a soemwhat higher profit margin than other company per computer, i'm not saying they have no reason to, i'm not saying it's unethical, i'm saying they do. (and you are really good at making contradicting arguments, btw, claiming apple doesn't, while admitting apple do because so and so).. sure dell sells more therefore they can afford, well, they do sell it at lower profit margin, end of story (no, i dont have stats, but based on how we can configure the computer, it's apparent)

Who cares? Trying to prove your computer is "clean" is like trying to prove Mac OS X is more secure through obscurity (which is a horrible argument I must say).

Point: No one knows and no one will ever know. Maybe it is secure because no one uses it. Great for me! Maybe it is secure because of what Apple has put in place in the OS. Great for me again!

This whole argument is pointless. Buy what you like and shut up about it. Seriously.

if you dont care, you dont have to argue with me about it... (and what's w/ the shut up? it's a forum, people post in forum, i dont know what you do here... and i'm posting very close to the topic, are you?)

apparently somebody cares, who is willing to pay me $100 to see if my computer is clean or not.

now if you have nothing to contribute, you can shut up... you are really making mac ppl look bad here, if you have no argument, zip. (yes, i use mac too, but at the same time, i use windows. two OS for different purpose, can you accept life?)

Not so much a response as the blatent truth, i think people are sick of seeing you post here on how dell has this or that for x amount cheaper than Apple has it for. Just go buy your dell and get that precious C2D processor you think will make so much difference in your computing lifestyle.

In short, give it rest.

Ed

i think there are plenty response like this... something new?

oh just face it. by virtue that you admitted to using windows, all the other mac-only people will come at you like sharks to bloody meat. QUOTE]
i know... it's sad how blindly biased people are...