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Developer Showcases Apple CarPlay Workaround for Teslas

sw1tcher said:
Tesla fanboys are worse than Apple fanboys when it comes to overlooking flaws and shortcomings.
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Go to the Tesla subreddits... there are plenty of complaints. They don't overlook flaws, they deal with them because they see the benefits of the car to outweigh the current "flaws" and hope for future fixes through OTA updates. The lack of CarPlay integration isn't a deterrent to buying the safest & most fun cars in the world.

I had a Porsche Macan rental for a couple weeks once... I thought CarPlay wasn't a great experience and it seemed like the audio quality was actually worse than just regular Bluetooth audio. I think CarPlay would be better on Tesla's larger screen, but I wouldn't even use it. Apple nerfs some of the phone's functionality when CarPlay is in use.
 
sw1tcher said:
? Tesla can't even get FSD working (Musk told us we'd see full self driving Teslas in 2020) and you want them to work on implementing CarPlay? ?
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You thought FSD was easy, didn't you? FSD and the support of CarPlay aren't really in the same realm and can't be compared at all.
 
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Tempor_aka said:
I had 2 cars with Apple CarPlay, sold one and bought a Tesla, oh boy do I regret that big time! I mis Apple CarPlay every time, the Tesla update 11 is like going back to the 90’s … Horrible user interface, I cannot turn on seat heating without activating the cabin heater, who ever thought it was a great Idea to hide these controls in a second window pane should be fired. No 360 camera??!!! My 6 year old car has it. No cross traffic warning / braking when reversing of the driveway??!! My 6 year old car has it. Phantom breaking on the highway when on autopilot … The list goes on and on. Did I mention they slowed down the charging rate with an update, a 2020 car with 15K miles is now charging slower than most of it’s similar priced competitors, if this would be Apple it would be all over the news …
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I agree the new v11 update is horrible but how would CarPlay fix not being able to turn seat heaters on? CarPlay doesn’t let you control the car
 
dba415 said:
I agree the new v11 update is horrible but how would CarPlay fix not being able to turn seat heaters on? CarPlay doesn’t let you control the car
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"Apple is planning to expand CarPlay functionality in the future, introducing new features that would allow CarPlay to be used to control core vehicle options like the climate control system, the radio, the speedometer, seats, and more."

Providing, of course, the car manufacturers play ball.

Having said that, it is very useful (and possible safer) to have physical key controls. Toyota learned that mistake when they controlled too much via touchscreen. My current car thankfully has physical controls resurrected on the infotainment unit.
 
WingingIt said:
CarPlay is totally unnecessary in a Tesla. You need it in cars by traditional car makers because their infotainment is always like something from an earlier time.

But adding Apple Music is top of my wish list for Tesla. Otherwise I may switch to Spotify soon, but really don't want to have to start from scratch with a new recommender system trying to learn what I like...
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While appreciating the fact that I do use Spotify the most, so maybe that’s why, I still feel confident in saying Spotify’s algorithms are superior. The music discovery, the playlists that are specific to you only and updated weekly, etc. I love it.

I use Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube Music, Deezer, and SoundCloud. Deezer is probably my least used.
 
pukifloyd said:
Love how most people yelling at Elon and Tesla have never used the Tesla infotainment system. It works fine majority of the time, that's why Tesla owners aren't clamoring to get CarPlay.

Tesla navigation system is built on top of Google maps. It's always connected to the internet so it gets the latest traffic data and reroutes you just like Google maps would. Tesla maps also calculates your efficiency and range in real time, and it plans the route with any necessary charging stops needed. I've driven my car 46k miles in ~2 years and never felt the need for CarPlay bc Tesla navigation does such a fantastic job at telling me where I need to stop, exactly how long I need to charge for to continue my trip, and how much range I'll have left when I get to my destination.

Until Apple Maps adds those features, it cannot replace the Tesla's navigation system.

Now I really do wish that Tesla would add Apple Music and Podcasts app to their infotainment system. But telling Siri to play media and playing it over Bluetooth does the same job, so it really isn't completely necessary. I'd rather them focus their development focus on improving other software.
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Fine...majority of the time...for a car where the cheapest model costs $60K, your bar is extremely low. But, okay.

CarPlay is more than maps. It's okay for you to have an opinion on CarPlay, which you seem to have no experience with, but it's not okay for others to have an opinion on Tesla's infotainment system that you claim they've no experience with. But, okay.

CarPlay doesn't have to replace Tesla's navigation system. Carmakers actually are allowed to make their own apps in CarPlay and they do. You don't know because you don't use CarPlay. But, okay.

A closed system like "Tesla OS" is never a good thing. Tesla doesn't even let other people develop software for "Tesla OS," unlike macOS or iOS. CarPlay is much more flexible and saves time because all your music preferences/playlists/messages/contacts/favourite spots are all in one place. Whatever Tesla is doing can't remotely rival the functionalities of CarPlay. And it's not like "Tesla OS" is devoid of bugs. Far from it.

How is opening up "Tesla OS" a bad thing? What advantage is there to be gained for a consumer to live and die by a private enterprise and the whims of its eccentric CEO?
 
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macachia said:
What bugs are on CarPlay?

Have two cars with CarPlay and I see no severe bugs to speak of
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I wouldn’t call it severe but there was a bug with navigation that would freeze the positioning head in one spot causing you to miss a direction. Arguably it can could cause accidents if the driver is hesitating on the road to see if they missed their turnoff. I believe it’s been fixed and to be fair it was on a particular beta seed. It was quite annoying at the least, especially if you have a bunch of streets within a couple hundred feet of each other and impatient drivers behind you.
 
lysingur said:
How is opening up "Tesla OS" a bad thing? What advantage is there to be gained for a consumer to live and die by a private enterprise and the whims of its eccentric CEO?
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From the perspective of entertainment while driving, or are you talking about the in car experience? I will admit that CarPlay will allow for more sources of entertainment while driving (though you could argue that the using your phone via BT could accomplish the same thing). For the second? Tesla has added things to their vehicles based on user feedback that they probably would not have done otherwise, like Dashcam, Sentry mode, cabin overheat protection, camping mode, dog mode, etc. Would having the OS open make those things come faster? Maybe, maybe not.
 
lysingur said:
Fine...majority of the time...for a car where the cheapest model costs $60K, your bar is extremely low. But, okay.

CarPlay is more than maps. It's okay for you to have an opinion on CarPlay, which you seem to have no experience with, but it's not okay for others to have an opinion on Tesla's infotainment system that you claim they've no experience with. But, okay.

CarPlay doesn't have to replace Tesla's navigation system. Carmakers actually are allowed to make their own apps in CarPlay and they do. You don't know because you don't use CarPlay. But, okay.

A closed system like "Tesla OS" is never a good thing. Tesla doesn't even let other people develop software for "Tesla OS," unlike macOS or iOS. CarPlay is much more flexible and saves time because all your music preferences/playlists/messages/contacts/favourite spots are all in one place. Whatever Tesla is doing can't remotely rival the functionalities of CarPlay. And it's not like "Tesla OS" is devoid of bugs. Far from it.

How is opening up "Tesla OS" a bad thing? What advantage is there to be gained for a consumer to live and die by a private enterprise and the whims of its eccentric CEO?
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For $60k it’s really not all that luxurious of a car given the trim and detailing. And I see quite a few Teslas poorly maintained/banged up/filthy/etc.
 
scheinderrob said:
good to have a workaround for tesla's bug ridden and barely functional software.
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Bug ridden and barely functional? I haven't seen any bugs and am totally functional in my Model 3. That being said, I'm not a huge fan of the new UI as it takes extra steps to access the things I need the most.
 
DelayedGratificationGene said:
In 2/3 years Apple will be announcing Apple Car so why start trying to get Tesla to get CarPlay installed now when their own car is almost here?
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You would be silly to buy the first edition of the Apple car, and then you'll likely have to wait for availability. So it could be more like 4-5 years. That's a lot of savings in gasoline.
 
I've been driving and beta testing Teslas for 4 years - and Carplay in a Tesla makes no sense. It's redundant and stupid. CarPlay is meant to replace legacy car screen-based UI. Tesla already has that in spades and doesn't need a second layer on top of it. Regardless of what you think of either UI (I do really like CarPlay FYI, with its intuitive nav interface/voice guidance). Telsa Autopilot/FSD does not use Apple Maps and never will. So there's no reason for CarPlay maps/Nav. It'll cripple any Tesla by not have it gather data for its autonomous neural net. Interestingly, Apple Maps is slowly creating an HD vector map of major cities for its autonomy project - but that's opposite to Tesla's far more ambitious generalized on-the-fly AI. When Tesla releases its app store, Apple will be welcome to offer Apple Music, iMessage, Notes etc. Although I have a feeling they won't.
 
Yikes! Apple car designs leaked.

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Rigby said:
Google actually has self-driving cars, while Tesla's "FSD" is anything but. I had the FSD Beta until recently, but opted back out because it's very unsafe. For example, it sometimes suddenly drove toward obstacles or even into the oncoming lane. They just seem ahead because they are willing to take the risk of releasing this immature system to (part of) the public. Personally I don't believe their camera-only system will ever be able to self-drive without constant supervision (level 5).
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Lol. You have no clue. I'm an FSD beta tester and everything you said is BS.
 
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sw1tcher said:
Tesla fanboys are worse than Apple fanboys when it comes to overlooking flaws and shortcomings.
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Fanboys, whether Apple or Tesla, usually overlook flaws and shortcomings which is why they end up being labeled fanboys. However, there are also plenty of Tesla owners that have and express real concerns about Tesla such as customer service issues, hit and miss build quality, FSD still not delivering functionality as was promised, etc.
 
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webkit said:
$60K? USD? A new Tesla can be had for as little a $46,190 MSRP or even less with potential discount and/or state tax credit/rebate.
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You're right, it's around $45K USD for a barebone Model 3. But that's hardly the point. And not to put too fine a point on it, most Tesla models are much more expensive and they average out to be around 77K (3, S, Y, and X).

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menithings said:
When Tesla releases its app store, Apple will be welcome to offer Apple Music, iMessage, Notes etc. Although I have a feeling they won't.
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When will that mythological app store be released? If useful apps (such as audiobooks, better podcast apps, Plugshare etc.) were available for Tesla's system, there would be less complaints. But all we get seem to be useless games (I won't even mention things like the fart app).
 
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rk-apple said:
I love my Tesla. The integrated maps in the Tesla have great details about supercharger locations, usage, etc. How about a trade off? Apple integrates supercharger info into its Maps app and Tesla agrees to allow CarPlay.

In the meantime, I'd settle of an Apple Music option on the Tesla UI.
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What about giving the customer the choice to chose the map they want to use on any given trip?
 
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