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Developer Showcases Apple CarPlay Workaround for Teslas

TriBruin said:
But, I am sure "Tesla is doomed". Musk should sell the company and give the money to the shareholdres? AMIRIGHT?
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You were doing so well until you start putting words in my mouth. A civilized discussion on this forum is really rare to come by.

- I never said Apple & Google are ahead in FSD.
- I never said Apple Music can't be integrated into other products and services. I'm speaking specifically on CarPlay. The examples you listed aren't in cars, are they?
- It'd probably be more correct to say Tesla is a tech company that does software. And it is more to my point: their software development is shielded from competition by the sheer fact that it's tied to their cars. You can't get "Tesla OS" outside of a Tesla-branded vehicle.
 
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icwhatudidthere said:
It doesn't have to. In the current UI, I'd imagine CarPlay as one of the icons along the bottom like Spotify. The Spotify app has three sizes: Full Screen, Half Screen (where it shows Recently Played or Up Next) and just the media controls. I'd imagine a CarPlay interface could implement the Half Screen size since that would fit with the landscape display normally used in CarPlay and would allow you to still access the native Tesla map.
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At least on the 3 and Y with v11 that half screen option no longer exists. Full Screen, Sliver at bottom, not there at all are the options for media now. Maybe Spotify has the half screen, I don't have a subscription so I can't look.
 
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lysingur said:
You were doing so well until you start putting words in my mouth. A civilized discussion on this forum is really rare to come by.
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Sorry, I am just playing on the fact that people are still predicting the demise of Tesla, much like people were (and still are) predicting the demise of Apple. I seriously doubt Tesla will just fold up anytime soon. Legacy car makers are still years behind, not only on FSD, but EVs in general.
lysingur said:
- I never said Apple & Google are ahead in FSD
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lysingur said:
- I never said Apple Music can't be integrated into other services. I'm speaking specifically on CarPlay. The examples you listed aren't in cars, are they?
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No, but you said flat out that only way to get Apple Music on a Telsa (or any car) was to implement CarPlay. That is demonstrably false as Apple Music is an independent service. I suspect we will see AM on a Telsa long before we see full CarPlay.
 
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Big deal. Numerous CarPlay solutions already exist that work on significantly older cars through factory navigation systems. Nothing new here other than a motivated person with time to waste. What is not stated here is that all of these type of solutions do not work 100% of time and have quirks that some users accept while others return their interface units.
 
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TriBruin said:
Apple & Google are years behind Telsa in development of FSD. While nowhere near perfect, Tesla is much closer and actually has cars in the field using FSD.
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Google actually has self-driving cars, while Tesla's "FSD" is anything but. I had the FSD Beta until recently, but opted back out because it's very unsafe. For example, it sometimes suddenly drove toward obstacles or even into the oncoming lane. They just seem ahead because they are willing to take the risk of releasing this immature system to (part of) the public. Personally I don't believe their camera-only system will ever be able to self-drive without constant supervision (level 5).
 
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diamond.g said:
Since they mention it being controlled by the steering wheel, it is likely this needs to be physically plugged in between the wheel and the cars computer (like other second screen solutions for Model 3/Y).
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That is the way this and other 3rd party integration products work. Disconnect some cables and plug in theirs so that the unit is part of the Tesla's network.
 
TriBruin said:
Sorry, I am just playing on the fact that people are still predicting the demise of Tesla, much like people were (and still are) predicting the demise of Apple. I seriously doubt Tesla will just fold up anytime soon. Legacy car makers are still years behind, not only on FSD, but EVs in general.


No, but you said flat out that only way to get Apple Music on a Telsa (or any car) was to implement CarPlay. That is demonstrably false as Apple Music is an independent service. I suspect we will see AM on a Telsa long before we see full CarPlay.
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As far as I know, Apple stopped allowing Apple Music to be run on a car's infotainment system without it being CarPlay. Maybe you can enlighten me if that's not the case anymore.
 
lysingur said:
As far as I know, Apple stopped allowing Apple Music to be run on a car's infotainment system without it being CarPlay. Maybe you can enlighten me if that's not the case anymore.
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It looks like the Porche Taycan has a dedicated Apple Music option, in addition to CarPlay. But that is all my GoogleFu can find.

So, it is possible that Apple won't allow Apple Music unless the system also supports Car Play, but I had not heard one way or another. But, IMHO, AM is a money maker for Apple, where as CarPlay is not. It doesn't make any sense for Apple to limit anyone who wants to offer AM on their product.
 
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Rigby said:
Google actually has self-driving cars, while Tesla's "FSD" is anything but. I had the FSD Beta until recently, but opted back out because it's very unsafe. For example, it sometimes suddenly drove toward obstacles or even into the oncoming lane. They just seem ahead because they are willing to take the risk of releasing this immature system to (part of) the public. Personally I don't believe their camera-only system will ever be able to self-drive without constant supervision (level 5).
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Path planning still needs work for Tesla FSD. It still chooses to do things that make no sense. It doesn't seem like perception is as much of a problem, but since they have dumbed down the visualization it is hard to say.
 
Love how most people yelling at Elon and Tesla have never used the Tesla infotainment system. It works fine majority of the time, that's why Tesla owners aren't clamoring to get CarPlay.

Tesla navigation system is built on top of Google maps. It's always connected to the internet so it gets the latest traffic data and reroutes you just like Google maps would. Tesla maps also calculates your efficiency and range in real time, and it plans the route with any necessary charging stops needed. I've driven my car 46k miles in ~2 years and never felt the need for CarPlay bc Tesla navigation does such a fantastic job at telling me where I need to stop, exactly how long I need to charge for to continue my trip, and how much range I'll have left when I get to my destination.

Until Apple Maps adds those features, it cannot replace the Tesla's navigation system.

Now I really do wish that Tesla would add Apple Music and Podcasts app to their infotainment system. But telling Siri to play media and playing it over Bluetooth does the same job, so it really isn't completely necessary. I'd rather them focus their development focus on improving other software.
 
Stupid ****ing children. I’ve never been a Musk fan but this just shows how stuck on stupid he is.
 
CarPlay is just as needed on Tesla as pre-infected HIV needles at a drug store. This a bs premium that the car MFG has to pay Apple royalties for, to have an even more neutered version (or rather appearance only) of iOS on an their cars.
 
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diamond.g said:
At least on the 3 and Y with v11 that half screen option no longer exists. Full Screen, Sliver at bottom, not there at all are the options for media now. Maybe Spotify has the half screen, I don't have a subscription so I can't look.
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That seems to be something that Tesla controls and does not want to give you a half sized app. Sorry about that.
 
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boyarka said:
CarPlay is just as needed on Tesla as pre-infected HIV needles at a drug store. This a bs premium that the car MFG has to pay Apple royalties for, to have an even more neutered version (or rather appearance only) of iOS on an their cars.
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No royalties are needed to implement CarPlay or Android Auto. That is an oft repeated falsehood.
 
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Tagbert said:
That seems to be something that Tesla controls and does not want to give you a half sized app. Sorry about that.
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I mean it doesn’t bother me. Besides doesn’t Apple have a minimum “screen size” for CarPlay to be allowed? What this guy did here also takes up pretty much the whole display, but how much smaller could it be?
 
At last! I can enjoy CarPlay on my Tesla while the self-driving software runs over pedestrians before crashing and setting the car on fire, with me trapped inside with no way of opening the doors.
 
diamond.g said:
I mean it doesn’t bother me. Besides doesn’t Apple have a minimum “screen size” for CarPlay to be allowed? What this guy did here also takes up pretty much the whole display, but how much smaller could it be?
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This is from the previous UI but a similar size window still exists in V11. CarPlay could fit perfectly in a component this size while still leaving access to the native maps. The only reason the hack in the article takes up the whole screen is because it's using the browser which only exists full screen.

In the current UI, there could be a CarPlay icon at the bottom which pops open in a component this size. Activating it would also change the audio source to the phone.

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ETA: Looks like Ford already supports windowed CarPlay:
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icwhatudidthere said:
This is from the previous UI but a similar size window still exists in V11. CarPlay could fit perfectly in a component this size while still leaving access to the native maps. The only reason the hack in the article takes up the whole screen is because it's using the browser which only exists full screen.

In the current UI, there could be a CarPlay icon at the bottom which pops open in a component this size. Activating it would also change the audio source to the phone.

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Would this require the car to not see the phone as a BT music/phone source?
 
diamond.g said:
Would this require the car to not see the phone as a BT music/phone source?
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That would probably depend on the particular implementation. Last time I used my parents' Honda, I was able to add my iPhone as a BT source. I was later able to set it up for CarPlay and it would use that instead. So it probably depends on how you've set it up.
 
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Never seen this as an issue, most legacy car makers infotainment is terrible so CarPlay/Android Auto is a big improvement and useful, Tesla’s infotainment minus a few bugs granted is miles ahead so no real need for car play. Well can’t say I’ve thought I wish I had car play in the last five months anyway…
 
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