I opted to stick with my X and get the iPad Pro 11; however, my partner got the new XR (yellow, 256GB) and she's super happy with her purchase so I imagine everyone else upgrading to the XR probably feels the same way.
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iPhone XR Did the iPhone XR flop? [MERGED]
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And how many did Apple have available for release? Exactly? We don’t know so how can you speculate!?
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Weird sentiment! I like the XR more than the X...so I wouldn’t rather have a discount on the X instead of the XR. I have owned the X, the Max, and an XR.
Agreed. It's all marketing. The XR is marketed as the budget friendly iPhone all the while holding a premium price. Apple has never claimed the XR is a budget phone, or entry level phone. With the price and features, it most certianly is not a budget phone. Although Apple should have included a 1080p display. We will get that in 2019 .
General public is not willing to pay those kind of prices anymore, when older iPhones can be had for a fraction of the cost and overall good enough for most people. People who are not in Apple ecosystem get an even cheaper android with big screen. Apple fans like me got X last year and some got X Max this year as it was a significant update. XR will sell better when major discounts start rolling.
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It's a mix of higher prices plus people realizing they don't need a new ****ing phone every damn year. It simply isn't worth it to waste a grand or nearly a grand each year for a slighter faster processor and maybe some cute new features. Even Android flagships have gone up in price. They've even adopted Apple's storage scheme. Anemic 64 GB for $550 and going up to $700 for larger sizes plus more RAM. And that's for brands like One Plus, which barely have a foot in the US aside from TMobile. LG now sells a phone that costs around $950.
R&D and new hardware can cost only so much before an OEM tacks on the rest to take home. At what point will people say enough is enough? At this rate most people will be buying phones in the mid thousands in 3-4 years.
My god - Whats with all that crying for a full hd screen? NOBODY can see the difference without a microscope.
No, they won’t. The market won’t allow it, if you have been following anything, then you would know Apple will _not_ be releasing iPhone figures anymore. What does that tell you? The fact is, there has to be a ‘stop gap’ somewhere for smart phones not to continually increase in price, and by no means, can the average consumer support paying over $2,000 for a smart phone for a base price with a base storage. The tech is not compelling enough to justify/warrant those price points in ‘3 to 4’ years. Know why? Because the consumer makes the decision with their money if they decide to upgrade or not, Apple only sets the prices, alongside other tech manufacturers following suit. And if Apple isn’t selling iPhones the way they intend in the future with inflated prices, then they will have to restructure the pricing segment based on market value.
With these inflated prices, the ‘Tech bubble’ will eventually implode, even subsidized carrier payments are not enough to support what you’re suggesting.
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No one thought Androids would ever cost as much as an iPhone because Androids were initially touted as better value handsets, but here we are. No one also thought Apple would get away selling their computers for what they are year after year, long after they'd been outpaced by newer components available elsewhere, but here we are.
Anyone who's ever claimed a market won't allow XYZ has always been wrong. 20 years ago it would have been almost unheard of to spend $200, let alone a grand on a phone. No one thought it would happen. But here we are. People are buying the 512 GB XS Max through a carrier like Verizon or TMobile for $1,450. The regular XS isn't much cheaper. Apple can stop publishing figures but it doesn't change the fact that plenty of people still buy these phones at these prices. If they didn't, Apple wouldn't justify pricing them as such. You have to remember that the original iPhone 8 GB debuted at $599 while the 4 GB debuted at $499, and it was only later that Apple stopped selling the 4 GB version and sold only the 8 GB version at a reduced price of $399. Though they did make good by giving back the difference to angry customers or offering a giftcard. Even in 2007 $399 was a large amount of money for a phone. Skip about a decade and people were paying $600-700 for a 32 GB iPhone. 32 GB...
History is only accurately applied to the future when the future repeats the mistakes of history. Aside from that, the big difference is physical objects vs theory that was being sold nearly 20 years ago. As long as people have disposable income, this freight train isn't stopping for anyone.
Edit: Pretty sure I said something similar when the X was announced. I was told I was crazy to think Apple would ever try selling a phone more expensive than the unprecedented X, and that the X simply wouldn't sell enough to justify a super premium product more expensive. But here we are. Most of this site lost their collective minds at the X's price. Most of those people either bought a maxed out 8 or ended up getting the X later on. Even with jump/skip programs, you're still paying anywhere from 50-70% of the phone's original MSRP and you don't get to keep it unless you pay the balance off.
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Because just a year ago we were charged premium pricing for a phone with a smaller full HD display.
Yea I just upgrade because my wife and I pay for my parents phones. We don’t want to to pay $800. So every 2 years when it’s the last time to get max trade in value for our phones we upgrade. We do the buy 1 get 1 free deal that requires the 2 year agreement from all carriers. It’s the 24 month bill credit one
Are you referring to the 8 Plus? It was $50 more than the XR is now. In addition, the 128GB XR is the same price as was the 64GB 8 Plus when it was released.
Frankly, I would have paid the extra $50 for the XR with 1080p.
On the other hand, I hold my iPhone about the same distance from my eyes as I do my 10.5 iPad. The text of the XR is a bit sharper than my iPad, as one would expect, but the difference is pretty negligible. And not many are complaining about the iPad’s screen.
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Not sure if the XR flopped but my local Best Buy, Target, Walmart don’t have many iPhone 8 Plus’ in stock but they all have the XR in stock and have had it in stock since release. One of the first iPhones I could walk into a non-Apple store on release day and be able to buy.
I have the new 12.9 IPP and the XR. The difference between them (screen quality), it's so small it's irrelevant.
For most the XR will be the better choice. The only screen difference I saw between the XS/max and the XR were blacks, and that only matters on film, and many don't watch films on their phones. Day to day use I think it's irrelevant. When these iPhones are 4k HDR, and don't have burn in possibilities, the screen will matter to me. Until then I'd rather have the LED.
At home, my 2 4k 49" screens, I went LED. Didn't want OLED. OLED is so expensive that I'd go projector instead. My home theater is still using a 73" DLP (Mitsu) that is brilliant today (bought Dec 2007) but I will finally replace it in the next 18 months and will go 4k projector via Sony or Optoma. OLED is just not that big of deal to me. My 49" Sonys are VA panels and have zero burn in risk while many OLED's do.
My opinion is spend that extra screen money where it counts, your flatscreen at home. The phone, not so much.
I agree. BTW, I don't know what I typed that got autocorrected to "Not the other hand" when I meant "On the other hand."
I don't know what prices were like elsewhere, of course, but converting from local prices in 1996 the Nokia 8110 was about 1000 EUR (2018) / 1100 USD (2018) / 700 USD (1996). And in the year 2000 the Nokia 9210 Communicator was around 1500 EUR (2018) / 1700 USD (2018) / 1100 USD (2000).
I can't recall the exact price for the Nokia 8210 even though I had one, but when it was introduced in 1999 it was also in the 1000 EUR (2018) range. It was the coolest little thing (in red, of course), even though it didn't hold its value for long...
Anyway, allowing for all sorts of historical differences in wages and cost of living, these prices were not unheard of and (some) people were willing to pay. Sounds familiar.
It didn’t sell out on the first day, people are reporting that shipments are being decreased, while for the 8 models are INCREASING! This tells you that people are buying year old phones than choosing the iPhone Xr. That tells me it isn’t a big enough value proposition for the average consumer to purchase.
I’ll wait till after the holiday season before I form any opinion on the subject..
there is another thread on this topic
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/did-the-iphone-xr-flop.2153409/
long story short, the points you listed arent enough for anyone to conclude that XR is a failure.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/did-the-iphone-xr-flop.2153409/
long story short, the points you listed arent enough for anyone to conclude that XR is a failure.
My opinion is that the XR is too big. If it had been smaller, I would have consider it. As it is, I bought a XS. I wanted to downsize from my 7+.
Other companies would love to have sales numbers as good as Apple’s “failures”.
The 5C was a failure. Crap specs and crap design at a crap price point. The XR is the type of device the 5C should’ve been and it’s clearly a popular phone.
Beyond some arbitrary independent analyst’s quota not being met, I honestly can’t see how anybody with reasonable judgement could class the XR as a failure.
The 5C was a failure. Crap specs and crap design at a crap price point. The XR is the type of device the 5C should’ve been and it’s clearly a popular phone.
Beyond some arbitrary independent analyst’s quota not being met, I honestly can’t see how anybody with reasonable judgement could class the XR as a failure.
Just bought two today. Couldn’t be happier so far. Amazing upgrade from 6s non plus.