Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings? [MERGED]

[Janichsan]

just... better organized.

Debatable.

i have no issue with the mouse recharge design; quick recharge is there if i need it, otherwise... i usually recharge during a movie, or overnight.

Talk about making a mountain out of a mousehill.

Charge it overnight when you receive the notifications, and if you stubbornly refuse to do that until its dead just plug it in while you get a cup of coffee and it has enough power for the day.

Ah, I always enjoyed the mental acrobatics when it comes to defend this design atrocity...

where you would put the port? 🤔

If there only was an obvious place where to put that charging port so that it is not in the way...

Geez, this is so hard...

This really might be the most difficult problem mankind ever faced...

 

[darngooddesign]

Ah, I always enjoyed the mental acrobatics when it comes to defend this design atrocity...

Mental gymnastics...LOL. People don't like it when you don't agree with them that an issue is a big deal.

I don't have that mouse and don't plan on buying one. I have in expensive Logitech BT mouse which gives me over a year from one AA battery.

 

[fisherking]

Debatable.




Ah, I always enjoyed the mental acrobatics when it comes to defend this design atrocity...

it's all subjective, so let's say the new system settings is different, not better or worse. either way, it is the way it is, so the logical thing to do is adapt.

the mouse... again, you can quick-charge, or charge when doing something else.

i don't think the issue really is what's 'better or worse', but how can we best adapt to what is...

 

[Janichsan]

… not better or worse.

It's worse.

i don't think the issue really is what's 'better or worse', but how can we best adapt to what is...

So your point is instead of wanting Apple to do better, it's eat or die? Just accept every brainfart they come up with and deal with it?

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

the mouse... again, you can quick-charge, or charge when doing something else.

That still doesn't explain the rationale behind this design. After all, why does the Magic Keyboard have its Lightning port on the rear and not the bottom?

I understand that the current non-Ive Apple would likely change the design if there was a suitable opportunity to (though I'll admit I thought that was the 24" iMac...), but it's just pure self indulgence to me. There is no logical reason why they would put port on the bottom of a mouse but on the back of a keyboard.

 

[fisherking]

That still doesn't explain the rationale behind this design. After all, why does the Magic Keyboard have its Lightning port on the rear and not the bottom?

I understand that the current non-Ive Apple would likely change the design if there was a suitable opportunity to (though I'll admit I thought that was the 24" iMac...), but it's just pure self indulgence to me. There is no logical reason why they would put port on the bottom of a mouse but on the back of a keyboard.

when has apple ever explained their design decisions? (altho, again, some people, myself included, prefer the new system settings).

as with any of us, every opinion is just an opinion. personally, am fine with the mouse as is, i charge it long before it runs out (and again, watching a movie, or overnight). am glad it does not have an ugly port sticking out the front (a la logitech). i generally appreciate the aesthetic qualities in apple products (generally!).

we adapt, or we don't. and, since this is apple, that's all there is.

 

[fisherking]

It's worse.


So your point is instead of wanting Apple to do better, it's eat or die? Just accept every brainfart they come up with and deal with it?

no, the obvious point is... it is what it is. and some people like it. either way, apple is in control of this, so you can adapt, or complain... and you'll still have to adapt.

 

[Janichsan]

…it is what it is. … either way, apple is in control of this, so you can adapt, or complain... and you'll still have to adapt.

In other words: Eat or die. Just accept every brainfart Apple comes up with and deal with it. Got it.

 

[fisherking]

In other words: Eat or die. Just accept every brainfart Apple comes up with and deal with it. Got it.

you're saying that, i'm not. if you don't like it, that's your prerogative. but your opinion is just yours, it doesn't speak for everyone else. the things you call 'brainfarts' are not that for everyone.

and what's your solution? apple can't make everyone happy with every design choice.

 

[R3k]

Right direction. Could use further refinement. Considering Apple and the current state of the Beta, that'll take a few years.

See its a hard to tell if one is frustrated looking for a setting whether its crap design or rather the person is so used to the old system.
Im sure some settings make much more sense now and some others are too buried now. I do like the easier control of startup items.

 

[Janichsan]

you're saying that, i'm not.

You say it as well, just in different words. You say Apple is in control, and we have to adapt no matter what. That is exactly the same as "Just accept every brainfart Apple comes up with and deal with it". It might sound different in your head, but it isn't.

and what's your solution?

It's not my job to fix Apple's broken designs. But something that adheres to Apple's own interface guidelines and which does not require you to scroll around to discover all options would be a beginning.

 

[fisherking]

You say it as well, just in different words. You say Apple is in control, and we have to adapt no matter what. That is exactly the same as "Just accept every brainfart Apple comes up with and deal with it". It might sound different in your head, but it isn't.


It's not my job to fix Apple's broken designs. But something that adheres to Apple's own interface guidelines and which does not require you to scroll around to discover all options would be a beginning.

i honestly have no idea what you're talking about. it's not broken just because you don't like it. and apple does not have to fix something they designed and feel is the correct design.

we can go back & forth al day (well, i'll stop here). but it is a fact; apple made system settings (and the magic mouse) they way they made it, and it will only change in the future, if & when they decide to change it.

 

[Janichsan]

i honestly have no idea what you're talking about. it's not broken just because you don't like it. and apple does not have to fix something they designed and feel is the correct design.

You are familiar with Apple's Human Interface Guidelines? Which they can use as basis to reject third-party apps from their App Stores if the HIG are disregarded? Which their own System Settings app (and a bunch of other things), where as you say they "felt [has] the correct design", completely disregards?

That's what I call "broken".

What Apple did here (and you can't tell me don't you see this) is taking a design which is applicable to their iOS/iPadOS platforms and slapped it with complete disregard of the differences in usage, ergonomics, and hardware onto macOS.

That's not only not "good" design, it's lazy.

but it is a fact; apple made system settings (and the magic mouse) they way they made it, and it will only change in the future, if & when they decide to change it.

Eat or die.

 

[fisherking]

You are familiar with Apple's Human Interface Guidelines? Which they can use as basis to reject third-party apps from their App Stores if the HIG are disregarded? Which their own System Settings app (and a bunch of other things), where as you say they "felt [has] the correct design", completely disregards?

That's what I call "broken".

What Apple did here (and you can't tell me don't you see this) is taking a design which is applicable to their iOS/iPadOS platforms and slapped it with complete disregard of the differences in usage, ergonomics, and hardware onto macOS.

That's not only not "good" design, it's lazy.


Eat or die.

you mean, apple can't change up their own rules? is this a legal thing, where they could then sue themselves?

apple does what it chooses to do; it's a corporation, not our friend. and you're free to not like the new system settings. but your not liking it does not mean it's 'wrong'. that's all i'm trying to say...

 

[Janichsan]

you mean, apple can't change up their own rules?

So you are fine with the double standard of them enforcing these rules on others, but ignoring them for themselves?

Eat or die.

 

[fisherking]

So you are fine with the double standard of them enforcing these rules on others, but ignoring them for themselves?

Eat or die.

what's the goal here? i don't know what you want to happen.

system settings looks as it does. it will, possibly, change in some ways between now and ventura's october release. i doubt it will change a lot. and once you let go of whatever this is... you'll adapt, and life will go on.

let's let this thread get back on track, we can't change anything going back & forth.

 

[Janichsan]

you'll adapt, and life will go on.

Don't critise, don't think, just adapt. Swallow everything Apple shoves into your face. Eat or die.

Just pointing out that with this attitude, the Adress Book (now Contacts) would still look like this, the Podcasts app on iOS would still look like this, you would still type on a butterfly keyboard, and the MacBook Pro wouldn't have MagSafe and the SD card slot back.

Apple's history is full of stupid design decisions and this one of them.

But okay, back on track. "Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings?" No, I don't. It's awful design regarding usability aspects and at odds with Apple's own guidelines and best practises.

 

[fisherking]

Don't critise, don't think, just adapt. Swallow everything Apple shoves into your face. Eat or die.

Just pointing out that with this attitude, the Adress Book (now Contacts) would still look like this, the Podcasts app on iOS would still look like this, you would still type on a butterfly keyboard, and the MacBook Pro wouldn't have MagSafe and the SD card slot back.

Apple's history is full of stupid design decisions and this one of them.

But okay, back on track. "Do you like the MacOS Ventura System settings?" No, I don't. It's awful design regarding usuability aspects and at odds with Apple's own guidelines and best practises.

again... it's your opinion, not a fact. you don't like the design, that's fine. but that won't change it, and it's not wrong, it's just not... what you like.

got it 👍. time to move on...

 

[ivnj]

I installed the public beta today. And yes a few new surprises like this. I am not a fan of the new style. The current is better in my opinion.

 

[minik]

Debatable.




Ah, I always enjoyed the mental acrobatics when it comes to defend this design atrocity...


If there only was an obvious place where to put that charging port so that it is not in the way...

Geez, this is so hard...

This really might be the most difficult problem mankind ever faced...

I doubt Apple will put a dedicated charging port this way. The next Apple wireless mouse may take the contactless charging route, similar to the Apple Watch.

 

[StellarVixen]

I am wondering how many of you know the pain of being an app developer and having to change your app to be consistent with the rest of the OS (but you hate how this new UI looks), yet you do not want your app to be criticized for being inconsistent and being out of place

 

[fisherking]

I am wondering how many of you know the pain of being an app developer and having to change your app to be consistent with the rest of the OS (but you hate how this new UI looks), yet you do not want your app to be criticized for being inconsistent and being out of place

can you clarify? what specifically do you have to change with your app to be 'consistent with the OS'? and how is it different than with every previous mac os?

 

[ivnj]

Also it used to be called System Preferences. And now it's called System Settings. And under Energy Saver there are only 3 options to check now. There no place where it says put the computer or display to sleep after so many minutes.

 

[fisherking]

Also it used to be called System Preferences. And now it's called System Settings. And under Energy Saver there are only 3 options to check now. There no place where it says put the computer or display to sleep after so many minutes.

yes, you'll find that 'preferences' in apple apps is now 'settings'. so at least they're being consistent.

try the 'search' window in system settings, and you'll find everything (for example, type 'display') but hey! it's under 'Lock Screen'.

really, in time, you'll know where things are, and 'search' is always there as well.

 

[ivnj]

yes, you'll find that 'preferences' in apple apps is now 'settings'. so at least they're being consistent.

try the 'search' window in system settings, and you'll find everything (for example, type 'display') but hey! it's under 'Lock Screen'.

really, in time, you'll know where things are, and 'search' is always there as well.

That was it thanks. But it only says display sleep not computer. That was removed. Anyhow this new style is similar to OS9 back in the day. You hover over the apple and then system preferences or what ever it was called and the if you click on the arrow it shows the list without clicking on it and showing the whole menu. The other way as in Big Sur and Monterey and before was better. I click on system preferences and get to see all the icons and then decide. This new list is confusing. Seeing all the icons on a folder like view was better in my opinion.