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I've only read a few of the posts in all of these threads, but I just have one question....

Isn't it necessary to unlock an iPhone before a new operating system can be installed? So if the phone's not unlocked, how could a new OS be installed that can be unlocked?
 
The problem here is that Trump supporters are coming from all sides of the aisle. Not just conservatives. Trump could never have this much support from just the conservative side.
Yes he is getting that support from conservatives which is why he is running as a republican.
 
+1.... I agree. It's going to be interesting to see how this works out.

As much as I like most of what Trump says, I'm surprised that he'd be so quickly to damn free enterprise and lean on the side of government mandates on businesses. This issue is way deeper than just the surface issues.

Trump is saying this, because he, like so many others in the GOP know that using fear will get them votes. Why the American general population thinks that what we need right now is more government control over our lives, or those of now dead crazies, is ridiculous. It's the same thinking that drives people to buy handguns and want to carry them with them all the time - as if the odds are such that we're all going to be involved in a terrorist activity and that having a gun will save our life and the life of those we love.

The odds are greater that we accidentally will shoot ourselves or someone we love, than they are of getting killed by terrorists - but why bother talking about reality, when you can scare ignorant people into thinking their lives are in danger so that you can get them to support their own loss of rights?
 
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Brave of you to openly say that.

Brave of people to openly hit Like on it, too.

I wouldn't say I'm a Trump supporter so much as I hate our current government, and I feel that nearly anything not resembling it would be an improvement.

Thus I'm backing both Sanders and Trump. They're the two that least resemble the current government.
 
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Canadian here reporting in. We just had a federal election late last year. Time from campaign start to putting the guy into office: 2 months. And that's long by our standards. Most of our elections are only 1 month. Anyhow, grabbing my popcorn and watching the circus to the south is entertaining indeed ;)
 
still blows my mind that hes an actual competition in the US.

when i first heard he was going to run i thought he was trolling and would never make it past the buzzfeed "meme" stage.

really sad and his media coverage is redic
 
lol. nope. because once u built in a door in ios, it WILL be found. guaranteed :)
Possibly. I don't know enough about engineering to judge. There are plenty of aspects of our lives that are more important that are run on computers that have "back doors" and we aren;t collectively freaking out. I personally think people are blowing the privacy factor way out of proportion and spinning this as the government wanting to search everyone's phones. I have not been presented with information that this is the case at all. I also am not sure that a back door works the way a lot of people assume it does.
 
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I'm a Trump supporter but I disagree with him here. I don't think Trump understands the Internet or data that well (nor do most people his age or other politicians). He's just giving his gut reaction to the case. I do think though that if he was president he would alter his opinion after listening to the top people in the tech world and information security experts. If you read up on Trump and how he operates, it clear that he hires the top people for a job and respects their opinions. Silicon Valley would be able to sway his stance.
 
Wasn't Apple's implementation of the kill switch partially in response to government pressure? I think I remember Al Franken, among others, demanding better security.

The problem with issues like this is that there are 50 states, 11 circuit courts, the US Congress, the FBI, CIA, NSA, TSA, and probably other agencies I'm forgetting, that all have some level of authority to make demands on a company. Governing it all is one Supreme Court that only hears a minuscule number of cases brought before it.

And if this was just a case of telling Apple to attempt to open one phone in response to a warrant, I'd say do it. What's really happening is they're trying to demand Apple modify software allowing instant access to private information from anyone's phone. The NSA phone tapping issue should be enough to convince you that the government will flout the rules if they want to.

For anyone saying Apple should cooperate, just remember that it's a dark day when people line up to give up their rights in the interest of imaginary safety.
 
I've only read a few of the posts in all of these threads, but I just have one question....

Isn't it necessary to unlock an iPhone before a new operating system can be installed? So if the phone's not unlocked, how could a new OS be installed that can be unlocked?

I'm just speculating, but I believe since its a 5c without a Security Enclave, Apple could create a special version of iOS along with a special loader and put it on via DFU mode. From my understanding DFU doesn't actually wipe anything, so they could put the phone into DFU mode, load the new version (using a special loader that won't wipe the encrypted key) and then reboot it to a version that allows the FBI to do what they want.

I could be wrong. I probably am. Other's can step in and correct me if so.
 
Canadian here reporting in. We just had a federal election late last year. Time from campaign start to putting the guy into office: 2 months. And that's long by our standards. Most of our elections are only 1 month. Anyhow, grabbing my popcorn and watching the circus to the south is entertaining indeed ;)

Same here. Watching American politics with Trump has been a lot of fun. You couldn't make up half the stuff that's been done by Trump.

I turn on CNN to get a laugh these days. USA's politics have become such a joke with Trump.
 
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I'm a Trump supporter but I disagree with him here. I don't think Trump understands the Internet or data that well (nor do most people his age or other politicians). He's just giving his gut reaction to the case. I do think though that if he was president he would alter his opinion after listening to the top people in the tech world and information security experts. If you read up on Trump and how he operates, it clear that he hires the top people for a job and respects their opinions. Silicon Valley would be able to sway his stance.

Trump listens to one person. Trump.
 
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Common Sense would dictate that the data on this phone couldn't possibly be so valuable that it's worth putting one billion other users' identities and personal data at risk.
You also need to take into account the huge number of other people who interact with iPhone users. Their emails, texts, contact info, etc will be on these iPhones.
 
Next he'll be demanding that steve jobbs turns off part of the mobile phone network.
 
Sometimes I wonder how law enforcement got done in the days before people had mobile phones they could search through. (Sarcasm..)

I really doubt the FBI or other investigators are going to find much very interesting on this iPhone. These people were lone-wolf nutcases who self-radicalized. And even if they weren't its not like ISIL is going to e-mail them a handy list of contacts.

IMHO the FBI know this already. They also know that technically Apple can't give them any realistic help to get the data either. But they are using the high-profile of the San Bernardino case to put public pressure on tech firms to create future backdoors.

Sometimes we have to give up a tiny bit of (hypothetical) security in order to preserve our own liberty. Nothing the FBI is going to find on that iPhone is going to bring any of the victims back to life. And its not going to make the perpetrators any deader. Lets leave it at that.
 
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