Eddy Cue Says He 'Disagrees Vehemently' With Those Who Believe Apple's Pace of Innovation Has Slowed

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  1. ThiGeever macrumors newbie


    Jun 9, 2015
    Yeah, we should all praise them for the very innovative and amazing Homepod? Touch Bar? Maybe there has been some innovations during the past few years, but in all honesty, lately all that innovation has been out shadowed by the crappy hardware and software they release. Today more than ever we all have major frustrations with Apple products, and the most annoying part is that we're locking in the ecosystem and it's quite hard to turn to something else out there.
  2. macfacts macrumors 68040


    Oct 7, 2012
    It is ok if the changes are small and incremental, but then the price shouldn't jump or increase so much then.
  3. nia820, Oct 16, 2017
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2017

    nia820 macrumors 68020


    Jun 27, 2011
    He can disagree all he wants, but it's the truth. Apple has lagged behind other phone makers.

    It's 2017 and they just got wireless charging. They've literally kept the same phone design for 3 years. Other phone manufacturers moved onto oled and amoled displays.

    It took them ages to come up with a control center. They just got a file management system this year. I could go on and on.

    While Apple's smartphones and tablets are of high quality and reliable, in the past couple of years they lack innovation.
  4. seatton macrumors 6502a


    Nov 7, 2013
    Seattle, WA
    What worries me the most is that he disagrees. Perhaps he cannot admit that publicly. Either way, I hope they are working hard to be innovate instead of using the same stuff over and over (Apple Watch for the past three years, MacMini, etc).
  5. Will.O.Bie macrumors 6502


    Aug 29, 2016
    Especially recycled tech with a few tweaks...I agree. The A* chip is one of the very few things that differ from iPhone 5s and the 8 Plus. if you do a phone comparison year after year, it's virtually identical.
  6. HJM.NL macrumors 68020


    Jul 25, 2016
    I'm on the same boat. It really makes me angry to see that Apple has turned into a milking machine. The company has lost it's soul.
  7. TheMacDaddy1 macrumors regular

    Aug 17, 2016
    "A couple of times per decade we get new laptops with middle-of-the-road hardware plus a new feature or two"

    You forgot to mention these new laptops also remove useful stuff like highly used ports (HDMI, USB-A) or really useful ports like Ethernet, or even some REAL Apple innovation like tMagSafe. All done for style (thin/light) and too achieve higher profit margins on shrinking market share.
  8. drzen macrumors regular


    Aug 8, 2017
  9. HJM.NL macrumors 68020


    Jul 25, 2016
    He could have mentioned the famous pipeline :rolleyes:
  10. Quu macrumors 68030


    Apr 2, 2007
    It's funny to me how he disagrees with Tim Cook here. He says that Apple has been incredibly innovative but just earlier this week Tim Cook said Apple is rarely first to do anything, they prefer to wait and then come into a situation with their take on it.

    Innovation is about bringing brand new ideas to market, not taking someone else's idea, identifying a few annoyances with it and then fixing them and saying you made it. Tim Cook identifies this, Eddy clearly needs to get the memo of what Apple is about.

    They take other peoples ideas (Multitouch, FaceID, TouchID etc) and just make it better. They do it very well but we can't be fooled into thinking any of this is innovation, it's instead reiteration.
  11. JRobinsonJr macrumors 6502a

    Aug 20, 2015
    Arlington, Texas
    So true! I was trying to keep my points concise. :)
  12. scrapesleon macrumors 6502a


    Mar 30, 2017
  13. Danoc macrumors 6502

    Mar 28, 2011
    The is one thing that’s sure, Apple’s recent innovation is not baked into Apple Music or iTunes. What Cue is managing...
  14. sdwaltz macrumors 6502a

    Apr 29, 2015
  15. Bollockser macrumors regular

    Oct 28, 2014
    I think the Mac Mini and Mac Pro team have been listening to this album for inspiration:

  16. deanthedev Suspended


    Sep 29, 2017
    Way to go Eddy. Poke that hornets nest and get everyone riled up.

    I’d love for people to show us the innovation coming from other companies, because all I see are half-finished ideas thrown at the wall to see if any stick.
  17. TheTruth101 Suspended

    Mar 15, 2017
    Steve Jobs came with all the iMacs models, from the CTR to the iMac for to the actual model. Then the iPod and the iPhone. Mac Pros, Appel cinema Displays (we do not have those any more) and the iPad.

    After Steve died we only had a trash can Mac Pro, several revisions of the iPhone and the Apple Watch that is just a overrated accessory that no one needs.

    OSX... nothing amazing about it at all, just revisions. Oh!!!! You destroyed Final Cut Pro 7! and the industry now works with Premiere Pro.
  18. jasonklee macrumors 6502a


    Dec 7, 2007
    APFS. Swift. 3D Touch. Touch ID. Face ID. Apple Pay. A, W, S, T, M processors. ProMotion. DCI-P3. Apple Pencil. Butterfly keyboard. Force Touch.

    In other words: gimmicks.

    No one needs pressure sensitive touch controls. Imagine a car that operated faster with a deeper press on the pedal. Apple’s chips are pathetic. Samsung uses MORE cores, Apple fans. More means better. More megapixels, more RAM, more, more, more. iPhones are less, less, less.

    Isn’t this obvious? I don’t understand the benchmarks showing iPhone 8 destroying the newest Samsung Galaxy. No iPhone could possibly be THAT fast. I smell bribery. After all, Apple has been in trouble with the law.

    I love how Apple wastes their time with apps like iLife. GarageBand, iMovie, Clips, iTunes, Music Memos. Steve Jobs was pretentious talking about “digital lifestyle apps.”


    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    What make Samsung more innovative was that they were the FIRST with that infinity display that curves around the edges for that beautiful gleaming effect on the glass perimeter. Also, instead of maximizing display and compromising space for the camera housing, Samsung expertly compromised by making top and bottom bezels so the camera housing seamlessly blends in with the top bezel and the bottom bezel offers a symmetry to the phone that the iPhone X lacks. This makes the Galaxy taller which is more comfortable than the iPhone X because they stupidly went with maximizing screen space where they could. Just like the battery pack. Instead of making it uniform and making it thicker, Apple chose to slim the battery case where there is no battery, making it thinner. Same with the iSight camera. Instead of making the enclosure thicker and thus heavier, they thinned the phone around the camera. Apple doesn’t know how to design anymore. Fact.

    Does Samsung have a software portfolio like iWork and iLife and those stupid utility apps? No. They have the BEST screen on any smartphone. And a stylus for fast text input. Keyboards are too slow. That’s what makes them innovative.
  19. George Dawes macrumors 6502a

    George Dawes

    Jul 17, 2014
  20. theluggage macrumors 68040

    Jul 29, 2011
    ...and it seems to be FitBit that has made the market-defining product there by nailing the killer app for wearables: fitness tracking. I don't think there's much evidence that people actually want a bulky, cut-down smartphone that isn't that good at biomonitoring strapped to their wrist.

    Well, yes, because in the past the industry relied a lot on Apple leading the way - if not by weaving new ideas from the raw firmament, at least by spotting up-and-coming technologies (e.g. MP3 players) and turning them into must-have products. Even in the absence of innovation, the industry copied the hell out of Apple cosmetics (think: translucent cases, Powerbook Ti styling, iPhone/iPad, island/chiclet keyboards...) but that has decreased of late - for example the last couple of generation of Samsung phones and their curved-edge displays... and I don't see anybody copying the 1970s "30-function LED" look of the Watch.

    ...but then OS X wasn't even a major update to MacOS 9 - it was a completely new operating system, with more in common with NeXTStep than MacOS. Also, Apple successfully transitioned the notoriously non-techie Mac userbase to nerd-friendly Unix for pity's sake! Now that was courage! More to the point, they took several years and multiple steps to progress OS X from an optional curiosity to the default OS (and some years more before they junked Classic emulation). What's happened with later software releases (FCPX, Maps, iWork, Photos) is that they've thrown the old version under a bus overnight and forced people onto the not-yet-feature-complete new version.

    ...which is, at best, an incremental improvement over Windows Hello face identification which has been standard on MS Surface and some other Windows devices for a couple of years, and was also beaten to market by Samsung's iris-scanning phones - which (along with their left/right bezel-free displays) make the iPhone X look a day late and a dollar short.
  21. MrX8503 macrumors 68020

    Sep 19, 2010
    I don't see how you're seeing the disagreement. The iPhone wasn't the first smartphone.
  22. guzhogi macrumors 68030


    Aug 31, 2003
    Wherever my feet take me…
    I think hardware-wise, there leaves a lot to be desired in terms of "innovation." What have we really gotten in the last 5 years? The touchbar on the MacBook Pro is very gimmicky, and not game-changing like the iMac, iPod or iPhone was. Maybe some of the AR/VR stuff. I'd really like to see something like the Microsoft Surface Studio. That could really help graphic designers. The iPad Pro is good and all, but a 12" screen vs. a 28" screen, bundled with more horsepower and a desktop OS.
  23. UL2RA Suspended

    May 7, 2017
    Combined with his dance moves ...
  24. kdarling macrumors P6


    Jun 9, 2007
    First university coding class = 47 years ago
    Your mention of the way they use "incredibly" and "vehemently" and other superlatives, just made me realize that Apple's company name should actually be:

    :apple: ADVERB

    Said in California, Made in China


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