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Elon Musk Backtracks on Earlier Comments, Says 'I Don't Hate Apple'

I give this guy respect, they figured out how to put aesthetic and electricity together for cars. I'm sure when Apple comes out with their car, they'll say "we've figured it out."

The only thing they figured out that mattered was music and phones. TV's didn't figure it out. Watch, didn't need figuring out. Cars, they're too late.
 
Tubamajuba said:
I don't see the problem- Tesla fanboys are "raising the flag" in response. They're holding Elon Musk up as some sort of God while they do so... I fail to see how that is any different from the way some people around here worship Jobs.
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The people who talk about Job ALL THE TIME, are people like you who keep bringing him up. And yes, I'm tired of it.
That's as clear as day. Bringing up Jobs is in poor taste and only critics really do it; not supposed fans of Apple.
We've moved on, time you do too.
 
Fiestaman said:
Patently stupid response from someone with no knowledge of how electric vehicles like Tesla work. Do you fill your gas tank every single time you stop? Do you only drive 400-600 miles at a time? Do you insist on gas pumps in every parking spot? 90+% of car drivers only need to charge every few days. No different than filling with gas today. Difference is that you can charge more often and for much cheaper than gas. Are you going to insist that the iPhone charge in two minutes, while also lasting days in between charges? GTFO with that nonsense. It's a good thing you have no hand in any decision making at all or nothing would get done. Is the Tesla expensive? Yes. Are you jealous that you can't get one? Yes.
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My problem is I live too close to work. lol If I lived 100 miles away my wife would probably let me buy a 70D.

The the previous poster is totally right, like once or twice a year, it may be slightly more convenient to take a ICE - as far as insights go, close to a world record.
 
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DVNIEL said:
I give this guy respect, they figured out how to put aesthetic and electricity together for cars. I'm sure when Apple comes out with their car, they'll say "we've figured it out."

The only thing they figured out that mattered was music and phones. TV's didn't figure it out. Watch, didn't need figuring out. Cars, they're too late.
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How has he figured anything, Tesla are like that because he's going for the top of the market.
If you're paying top dollars you get top of the line tech as a client.
Porsche 918 makes the Tesla look like an amateur project.
When all those companies enter the market, and its coming soon; Tesla will be in bad shape unless he's also learned to make a lot of money very soon. He could learn that from Apple..

Selling an attractive, unsubsidized 20-30K EV for a decent profit is where the difficulty lies and he's not there yet that's for sure.
 
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Keirasplace said:
The people who talk about Job ALL THE TIME, are people like you who keep bringing him up. And yes, I'm tired of it.
That's as clear as day. Bringing up Jobs is in poor taste and only critics really do it; not supposed fans of Apple.
We've moved on, time you do too.
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Whoa, hold on a second... that's exactly the point I was trying to make. Some people simultaneously bash Jobs while worshipping people like Musk. I was pointing out that hypocrisy.
 
DVNIEL said:
I give this guy respect, they figured out how to put aesthetic and electricity together for cars. I'm sure when Apple comes out with their car, they'll say "we've figured it out."

The only thing they figured out that mattered was music and phones. TV's didn't figure it out. Watch, didn't need figuring out. Cars, they're too late.
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You talk like everyone drives a Tesla...they don't. It's still a fringe product that few own. Everyone owns an iPhone, everyone will soon own an Apple Watch, and a helluva lot of people will soon own the Apple TV when the subscription service comes out. Yeah I'd say Apple has figured out a lot more than Tesla has.
 
I suppose most people here can fully appreciate the idea of an electric car, especially if it's not charged from your coal-fired mains socket. And a lot a people got excited when Musk, oozing credentials, took control of Tesla. The reality is that after more than ten years Tesla has yet to make a compelling EV that people can afford and will actually buy.

Contrast that with Apple, whose every new product introduction is expected to be a blockbuster (at the very least) or universe denting. And mostly they do deliver.
 
igorsky said:
You talk like everyone drives a Tesla...they don't. It's still a fringe product that few own. Everyone owns an iPhone, everyone will soon own an Apple Watch, and a helluva lot of people will soon own the Apple TV when the subscription service comes out. Yeah I'd say Apple has figured out a lot more than Tesla has.
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More people own pillows than iPhones and apple watches, but that doesn't mean Bed Bath and Beyond is a more impressive company than Apple.

By most counts, Tesla has mass produced a product that is not only completely different from the whole competition, but also class leading across dozens of performance dimensions. And they just did it again. Apple's products are aesthetically pleasing, but its not substantially different from the competition and debatable if its class leading in nearly any given category.
 
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Zen Desk Pro said:
Yes, but when Google was poaching Apple employees and Jobs declared thermonuclear war against Google, Apple fans were attacking Google. Doesn't make sense to attack Musk for this. He is the basically the Jobs' of his own company (companies, actually - like PayPay, Spacex, etc.) - similar to how Steve headed Apple, and Pixar, NeXT etc.. So he has the right to make these sorts of comments, in my opinion. Steve would have said 10 times worse. And that's okay - it shows he cares a ****load about his company. Everyone in the thread acting surprised making comments like "Wow Musk has no class or poise :eek:" are delusional at best. It's war out there. Apple isn't going to poach a top notch innovation house like Tesla and get away scott-free. Just not going to happen. I respect both companies, but at the end of the day, I think what Elon Musk is doing as a person is more impressive than what Apple is doing as a company (keep in mind that doesn't mean what Jobs did a person).

People who are attacking Elon Musk like he's some disposable "nobody" are so beyond the point return from Apple fanboyism. Can't even give credit and respect where it's due. Disgusting.
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Why wouldn't Musk have the right to say whatever he wants? What you can't take away is people's right to react to what he says. Why do you want to celebrate his rights, but take away mine? Do only billionaires have rights?

A cat can look at a king. If you can call Apple fans delusional, they can call Musk classless. And that's okay. It means they care about things, and so do you.

People will react to things Musk says. He's a billionaire, so a few bad reactions are not going to break him. On the other hand, he seems to like his affable image, and it's up to him how much he wants to tarnish it. If he starts to climb the steps to one of his events and hears a few boos mixed in with the cheers, and those boos are coming from people who otherwise would be cheering he may decide to stop doing whatever he was doing that caused those supporters to turn against him.
 
What a shame, Musk speaks the truth but then bows to pressure to backtrack. I lost a bit of respect for him, just a little bit though. As someone who is more concerned with changing the world and less with profit I respect the guy.
 
Soccertess said:
I think Apple is an amazing company who was sailing in a good direction 5 years ago. From my post I obviously don't think too highly of Tim, but I'm open to other opinions. :)

What do you find he has done amazing? Do you mean expanding and focusing into China?
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I think China was inevitable. I like the fact that Tim is using his influence to encourage more tolerance of people's differences and I like the fact that he seems smart enough to surround himself with very smart people who do good work. He unlike Steve doesn't seem to want to be the end all be all decision maker. He seems to understand that guys like Jony are better at design than he is.
 
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spinedoc77 said:
What a shame, Musk speaks the truth but then bows to pressure to backtrack. I lost a bit of respect for him, just a little bit though. As someone who is more concerned with changing the world and less with profit I respect the guy.
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Good luck changing the world long-term without profit. Especially once government subsidies no longer exist.
 
My respect for Musk has diminished quite a lot within a few days. Saying something and then backtracking is a ***** move. Either stand by your words or just don't speak at all.
 
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  1. I use the Apple Watch daily to get meeting alerts at work, text message notifications, phone call alerts, send text messages, check some emails, etc. To me, that seems like a useful device. Will it get better? Absolutely, but it is useful now.
  2. Elon Musk could be one of the most powerful and popular people in the America, if not the entire world. But the power that he has must make him think he can say whatever he wants. I am often amazed at how those with power/money are given a pass when it comes to normally acceptable behavior.
 
This was so out of hand I would imagine he had a few drinks before or during this interview. His public commentary is usually not this brash.
 
Zen Desk Pro said:
The fanboyism is far too strong in this comment thread. Come on, guys. Just re-read through this thread. Mindless defending of Apple in every situation. Petty, off-topic insults towards Tesla which is without a doubt (to any person who isn't balls deep in Apple's kool aid) an incredibly great and successful company. What the **** do you think Jobs would have said if other top innovative companies were poaching Apple employees?

So why aren't people complaining about Jobs' reaction to Google poaching Apple employees a while back before both companies put safeguards in place to prevent that? Elon on the surface seems very calm and sensible, and he is -- but to be as successful as he's been you have to be somewhat ruthless and competitive at the core. People's comments here pretty much display a complete ignorance to that fact. What? Did Musk's comments hurt your feelings? Too bad, that's business.

And how people can't understand how he'd be upset for having employees poached is beyond me. Also, I'd be interested to see how people feel in 5 years when there's still no "Apple Car" released. I highly doubt they're going to start producing cars. Huge waste of money and capital, unproven success brand for Apple (they haven't even had the balls to jump into television screens, yet we're so sure they're going into automobiles?).

They've hired Lexus and other car company designers and engineers to be part of their industrial design group for previous products, I don't see why that can no longer be the case?

Regardless, these comments just prove that (unsurprisingly) most people here are just fan boys who will defend Apple for doing anything. And attack whoever is against them -- even for a company as respected, inspirational, innovative and game-changing as TESLA for crying out loud.

People on this forum are far too biased. You can criticize Apple while still being a huge fan of the company. People shouldn't act "surprised" when comments like this are made after a CEO's company has been poached.
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Yup, the butthurt is strong in this thread.

But, Apple fanboys have always been like this. Remember this?

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tomegun said:
I am often amazed at how those with power/money are given a pass when it comes to normally acceptable behavior.
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He has an opinion and has every right to voice it, and backtrack on it later. Your perception is skewed. People with power absolutely don't get "passes". It is people with no power that get passes and can post anything they like generally, even more radical opinions than those of Tesla, Apple and Google executives. Just scroll through this thread to find many that are more extreme than what Musk said.
 
I agree with him that the Apple Watch will have more appealing functionality as the product matures. It seems interesting to me but not ready to pull the trigger.

But his comments aren't really warranted. If you don't have anything nice to say.... (just keep your mouth shut and improve tesla. Give me a ~$40,000 sedan!)
 
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Keirasplace said:
That's been debunked many times, google...
They had cash, but they were burning through it at a high rate. It was about confidence in Apple's future, and a raise in stock price, had Microsoft not sold the stock it would have been one of the best investments of all times, not so much that Apple needed a 150 million, so there are two ways to look at it both sides have argued many times.
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