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You surely also think that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo must allow other stores, right?

The fact that console hardware is sold at poor margins has got nothing to do with this - it’s a just how console makers have chosen to operate and they just need to adapt when Epic opens their own stores for consoles.

But Epic is strangely quiet when it comes to consoles, even though console business is much more lucrative for Epic...

Good luck with the investigations considering iPhone’s market share. If it goes through then basically nobody will be allowed to control software distribution on their own platforms.
Digital storefronts on game consoles are just one method of distribution, publishers are free to press and distribute copies of their games on their own if they so desire.
 
Can content purchased on iOS not be used on other more open platforms? Why would people want refunds?

I was under the impression that PC, iOS, and Android all shared a common inventory.

This day and time you've got entire families that have nothing but Apple devices. The iPhone and iPad are more than good enough for many people's needs, and they simply don't need a PC or a game console. If students need more then many schools are issuing locked down laptops. An iOS device could easily be all they have to play on.
 
The shallowness of you logic doesn't allow you to see that you can still have it exactly as you do right now while others can have their way.
What a alien concept huh?

No, you cant't.

Apple is able to force all developer to use their store and most developers to use their payment methods. Which means I can get all apps from one store and pay most of it using Apple even if the developer don't want to.

With your system I would sometimes have to choose between getting an app or using additional stores and payment methods more often.
 
That's like saying you want to give up your freedom and live in jail where you think it's safer but in reality jail isn't always safer.

It is not a jail but a walled garden. Have you been to London? A walled garden is a nice place which people are paying extra to gain access.

And if you are in the Apple walled garden they even have made arrangement for traveling outside the garden. Something they call going on a Safari.

If you really dislike the garden you are also able to move permanently out to some horrendous part of the city.
 
Everybody always wants to pay less. That’s not at issue. Sure, I’d love to pay $700 for an iPhone 11 Pro or a MacBook Air. But wanting something isn’t enough to get it.

Epic not wanting to pay 30% isn’t enough to get them a discount. And I’m sure authors want to pay less than the 70% fee Amazon charges for Kindle, but no matter how much they want it, they’re not going to get it.
I think epic went in knowing they'd lose this one lawsuit, but in the meantime think about how much they've influenced other companies.

Take the recent Facebook rejection for example, the one where they wanted to put a message saying Apple takes 30% of this purchase.

On Android they're giving small businesses that feature without any fees, on Apple they're forced to give them 30% of the 100% that would've otherwise gone to the small business.
 
I wasn’t implying all the useful services they offer are a bad thing, just over emphasizing services lately over computer centric products is injecting all this trouble for them. ;)
The 30% fee has been part of their business for 10 years, people are just jumping on the bandwagon hoping that the government will knock apple down a bit so they can take advantage, in epic's case their own apple store so they can make more money, in FBs case open up iOS so they cant track users more. None of this will benefit consumers or small developers, it will only benefit other billion dollar companies
 
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It is not a jail but a walled garden. Have you been to London? A walled garden is a nice place which people are paying extra to gain access.

And if you are in the Apple walled garden they even have made arrangement for traveling outside the garden. Something they call going on a Safari.

If you really dislike the garden you are also able to move permanently out to some horrendous part of the city.
Safari is nothing like what you can provide with a native application and Apple chooses not to implement web standards that would make native apps less appealing...

With MS Edge, Chrome, and Firefox it's possible to make web apps that can 100% compete with a native app, not so much with Safari.
 
Digital storefronts on game consoles are just one method of distribution, publishers are free to press and distribute copies of their games on their own if they so desire.
Sony and google also take their cut from disk sales. There is no way to avoid paying them. Of course this is not the case on the PC
 
Safari is nothing like what you can provide with a native application and Apple chooses not to implement web standards that would make native apps less appealing...

With MS Edge, Chrome, and Firefox it's possible to make web apps that can 100% compete with a native app, not so much with Safari.
It’s all part of their plan, I bet there exist even a huge diagram they follow, about how and where to lock-in, to gain advantage over others.
 
Sorry but you are completely wrong here. All this thing is not about consumers most of the time - it is about the developers. The benefit consumers will see is that you will be able to buy a book/audiobook in Kindle/Audible app. And maybe better apps cause the developers can invest more money into the development.
If sideloading was added, you'd also be able to install apps that Apple chooses to not allow on the App Store.
 
It’s all part of their plan, I bet there exist even a huge diagram they follow, about how and where to lock-in, to gain advantage over others.
If apple is so evil why dont you hurry up with that Android phone purchase you said you was researching a few days ago and go be free from apples evil ways? If you sell you iPhone the upgrade shouldn't cost you a lot
 
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LOL this is the same company that tried to take games away from Steam with their terrible launcher.
The same company that currently is taking games away from Steam.

Rocket League is going to be an Epic Store exclusive and going free-to-play with the people who bought it on steam getting some free currency and the privilege to still play it on steam (for now I'm sure)
 
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If sideloading was added, you'd also be able to install apps that Apple chooses to not allow on the App Store.
And who you think people will wind to when this goes wrong or their data gets stolen. 1 guess apple because they built the phone
 
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Btw. iOS is so secure... thats why Apple does not even care for security fixes:

dude I think you might find this article helpful :)

 
I’d love for Epic to explain how Apple is being anti competitive.

Especially when their app is available on Mac, PC, iOS, Android, games consoles. Are Apple stopping them from releasing their product on other systems? No.

Epic has decided to release their game on Apple hardware, running Apple software, using a storefront that is run by Apple. They shouldn’t be able to cut the system owner from their cut.
Aside from taking 30% of sales of an imaginary currency, they aren't... at least not to epic...

Now they're definitely being anti-competitive and anti-consumer with other services like xCloud, Stadia, Geforce Now, and any other game streaming service that pops up because they don't get to review all the games on those services.

The thing that annoys me is that they don't seem to care about reviewing all of the content on Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, or any of the other streaming services, so why do they insist on doing it for xCloud?

And yes, Netflix has interactive content, so they can't use that argument... they also can't say that xCloud, Stadia, or Geforce Now run game code from outside of the app because they don't, they stream 100% of the data.
 
dude I think you might find this article helpful :)

Thanks for the link I appreciate...
Yes I’m currently researching for alternatives to this iP11ProMax256 I got a while back...
I used Apple stuff for approx. 20 years (not only), but I’m not married with Apple.
If something else better comes out in few years, I move on again.
Being flexible is one of my top priorities... I have no benefit from being a die hard fanboy... would be just a disadvantage...
 
No, you cant't.

Apple is able to force all developer to use their store and most developers to use their payment methods. Which means I can get all apps from one store and pay most of it using Apple even if the developer don't want to.

With your system I would sometimes have to choose between getting an app or using additional stores and payment methods more often.

Thx for supporting Epic's position lol.
 
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Haha, it's a statistics you can find everywhere. If that's "out of touch" for you then I would recommend getting in touch with the world outside your bubble.
People who buy iPhones have more money. And they have no problem spending it on nonessential things (otherwise they would buy ****** Android devices that get the job done). It's really simple.

Authoritative citation please.

People on iOS spend more on real-world goods too. As you know, Apple doesn't control these payments, so trust certainly plays no role there, everything goes through the same PSPs on all platforms. But again, because people on iOS are generally well-off, they don't mind paying a bit more for everything, including online groceries, more expensive products on Amazon, Hello Fresh subscriptions etc.

Authoritative citation please.

Per the rules, facts have to be backed up with citations. You made two broad claims that should be easy to verify.
 
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