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This got me to try Apple Arcade - which I and my kids absolutely love. Epic is using its customers as pawns to try and go outside the established rules. Hurting your customers is now how you keep customers. I'm done with Epic and do not see any path back to them - even if they restored things, they burned that bridge for good.
 
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Time to start my PUBG Mobile career.

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A free McDonalds next door to in-n-out will still cause in-n-out some pain
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Epic believe these guys deserve their 30% because their hardware makes less profit

Which makes no sense since Xbox/Sony/Nintendo typically keep their hardware around for 3-9 years. Apple releases new iPhone and iPads every. Single. Year. They can't take a loss at the start like the Gaming guys (typically) do.

But we all know EPIC is just a giant POS.
 
GAME OVER for Apple since you're losing the only AAA game worth playing on Apple platform and Unreal Engine that will drive future AAA games by other developers. Bad timing, too, since it makes it that much easier for Apple customers to migrate away to upcoming Nintendo Switch 2, PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X and PC with Nvidia Ampere and AMD Big Navi GPUs. You could've invested in your own platform by investing in developers but your greed just returned you to serious gaming irrelevancy for the 4th consecutive decade.

Oh no! Apple must be shook losing a free App from their store.

PUGB is front and center today. Wonder why?
 
Which makes no sense since Xbox/Sony/Nintendo typically keep their hardware around for 3-9 years. Apple releases new iPhone and iPads every. Single. Year. They can't take a loss at the start like the Gaming guys (typically) do.

But we all know EPIC is just a giant POS.
Thats a very good point I hadn't thought of
 
I read the comments on this forum and most of them are biased and take the apple side. Frankly 30% is way too high and someone has to fight it. Epic is right over here. I am saying this inspite of being a huge fan of apple for last 20 years (having had more than 20 apple products and software).
 
I read the comments on this forum and most of them are biased and take the apple side. Frankly 30% is way too high and someone has to fight it. Epic is right over here. I am saying this inspite of being a huge fan of apple for last 20 years (having had more than 20 apple products and software).
Apple needs to concentrate on new computer centric products and stop going over the top with services. All of this is starting to take away from what Apple is renowned for IMHO. :)
 
PUGB is front and center today. Wonder why?

Something a non-gamer would say. Nobody cares about PUBG if they're playing Fortnite plus they'd have to start all over from level 0 and reacquire upgrades. Easier to continue where they left off with a Switch Lite, console, PC, Android device, etc.
 
I would much rather cover Epics 30% while they fight this case out then have the game gone on iOS. We were already paying it anyways, just put it back to $9 for 1000 vBucks. The current pricing is math gymnastics to make it look like they are "passing along the savings to the user". In reality, we were always paying full price before this, and fees, regardless of market place purchased form. Why was 1,000 vBucks the same price on all platforms, regardless of Epic's fees, until they wanted to make a stance against Apple? We see you Epic.

Epic put a discount on a virtual product to make a point. We get it, there are hidden fees we don't always pay attention to. You want us to see and feel it? Raise iOS prices by 30%, but let us keep the game going. Rendering iOS devices useless, vBucks on iOS spent useless, and disabling a pandemic cross-platform social tool does not make them look good in our (the users) eyes. Hell, make it transparent. List the made up price of vBucks separate from the marketplace fee on all devices.

It's a lot more likely Epic will keep their fanbase and get us on their side, if they ask us to pay an extra $3 for battle bass, then if you nerf all our devices and accounts. Going after the children is the opposite of what you want to do to gain a parent's support.
 
I read the comments on this forum and most of them are biased and take the apple side. Frankly 30% is way too high and someone has to fight it. Epic is right over here. I am saying this inspite of being a huge fan of apple for last 20 years (having had more than 20 apple products and software).
As an apple fan of 20 years, did you think 30% was to much when apple introduced the apple App Store and if not why do you feel it is now?
 
Apple needs to concentrate on new computer centric products and stop going over the top with services. All of this is starting to take away from what Apple is renowned for IMHO. :)
I have to disagree I find apple services such as Apple TV and iCloud really add to the experience. I'm a massive fan of the Apple TV app and wish apple could sign more companies up to channels would be great to have all tv series in one app. Im also a massive fan of apple HomeKit. The more I think about if apple keeps going at this rate 3rd party will be less relevant
 
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I have to disagree I find apple services such as Apple TV and iCloud really add to the experience. I'm a massive fan of the Apple TV app and wish apple could sign more companies up to channels would be great to have all tv series in one app. Im also a massive fan of apple HomeKit. The more I think about if apple keeps going at this rate 3rd party will be less relevant
I wasn’t implying all the useful services they offer are a bad thing, just over emphasizing services lately over computer centric products is injecting all this trouble for them. ;)
 
PUGB is front and center today. Wonder why?

I noticed that too.

There is no freedom of speech on other people's properties.

You are correct - but this also brings the question of whether we need new laws for things like this. The Internet has brought about many new kinds of “virtual spaces” where companies can set their own rules. It’s hard to say whether this is fair or not.
 
Someone will inevitably try to counter-argue that Apple :gasp!: makes a profit on running their store. I would love to know where these people got the mistaken impression that Apple was an NPO.

70% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

epic really aren’t the good guys in all this as much as they want us all to believe. They’re just a greedy company and have been for a long time.

Bear in mind that Fortnite makes some like £250 million a month. They really just want that extra few percent here most likely to provide leverage against the other platforms. And then they can make £300 million a month

Their own store locks games up in exclusivity for a year pulling some games off of other platforms as part of the agreements. And probably force you to use their payment garden tools under the guise of “lower costs” but I bet you get half as much support, especially on the consumer side. Their platform is a 10th as well rounded as steam. In fact their store was reading all files on your system atone point. Can you really trust a company these days that is part owned by a Chinese company?

Tim Sweeny might have made one of my favourite games in the original Unreal Tournemnt and created possibly the best gaming engine available, but he has been twisted by the corporate greed.

His diatribe years ago against the Microsoft store on windows was particularly hilarious especially considering the epic store.

Regardless of wether the 30% is high or not, a few of some kind needs to exist. Bear in mind the costs of running a store...the servers, the storage, the R&D of the OS and APIs to better help developers, the customer support staff, developer support, the system itself, marketing, payment processing etc. Running a store is not cheap.

Apple are reticent to give others the ability to process customer payment data and I’m sure Tencent and Epic would love that data.
 
Can content purchased on iOS not be used on other more open platforms? Why would people want refunds?

I was under the impression that PC, iOS, and Android all shared a common inventory.
 
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While I am rooting for Epic in this case, the email was still very misleading. Apple may be preventing the updates but it is solely because Epic won't submit an app that has the direct payments removed and a judge has said that is perfectly acceptable while the case is proceeding to trial. Epic just needs to own this one instead of putting blame where is doesn't belong.
 
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Can content purchased on iOS not be used on other more open platforms? Why would people want refunds?

I was under the impression that PC, iOS, and Android all shared a common inventory.

They are just trying to cause more problems for Apple.
 
Regarding the second „freedom of speech“ - yes you may be right the way you represent your opinion. I‘m seeing it the way that I have to see the amount of tax I‘m paying when I‘m buying something. Would‘t you be furious if you make a donation of $100 to let’s say „save the children“ and later you know That Apple took 30% of your donation.

It is not a tax unless it is done by a government. Also the App Store has an exception for charities.

In general, I don't want too see who makes money on what I buy or of it is fair. If I buy a coffee drink for $6 I don't want to know how much of the amount is going to someone in Brazil working on the plantation.
 
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