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It is not a jail but a walled garden. Have you been to London? A walled garden is a nice place which people are paying extra to gain access.

And if you are in the Apple walled garden they even have made arrangement for traveling outside the garden. Something they call going on a Safari.

If you really dislike the garden you are also able to move permanently out to some horrendous part of the city.
What if that walled community only allowed certain restaurants that paid the development company 30% to deliver food to you and didn't allow the restaurant to tell you that you can come and pick up the food yourself if you wanted?

They also don't allow certain categories of "restaurants" into their app store walled community because they want to be able to review and approve all the menu items they offer.

That's Apple right now.
 
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They stopped "caring" about it when it started to fall in all categories, until then, every keynote started with how mighty sales were, how big market share was.
And how times have changed.

Apple stopped caring about market share because they have alternate streams of income. Apple cares about active devices, because that translates into using their services, buying additional apple products and revenue.
 
People who buy iPhones have more money. And they have no problem spending it on nonessential things (otherwise they would buy ****** Android devices that get the job done). It's really simple.

Authoritative citation please.

People on iOS spend more on real-world goods too. As you know, Apple doesn't control these payments, so trust certainly plays no role there, everything goes through the same PSPs on all platforms. But again, because people on iOS are generally well-off, they don't mind paying a bit more for everything, including online groceries, more expensive products on Amazon, Hello Fresh subscriptions etc.

Authoritative citation please.

Per the rules, facts have to be backed up with citations. You made two broad claims that should be easy to verify.
https://www.mobilemarketer.com/news...ave-higher-incomes-than-android-users/541008/
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...survey-conducted-by-slickdeals-300739582.html
 
As an apple fan of 20 years, did you think 30% was to much when apple introduced the apple App Store and if not why do you feel it is now?

Not my argument, but the reality is when 30% was decided upon, game distribution and marketing cost a fortune, e.g 70%+ of the cost lost by the developers. It was good “value” then. 10 years on, the world has moved on and now not so much. Distribution costs very little now.
 
Thanks for the link I appreciate...
Yes I’m currently researching for alternatives to this iP11ProMax256 I got a while back...
I used Apple stuff for approx. 20 years (not only), but I’m not married with Apple.
If something else better comes out in few years, I move on again.
Being flexible is one of my top priorities... I have no benefit from being a die hard fanboy... would be just a disadvantage...
What I really dont understand is why are you so anti Apple now? Apple haven't all of a sudden changed its been this way for years? You have said before you want other app stores and to side load and you seem very passionate about it which is cool, but why was that passion not enough to stop you spending $1200 on an iPhone less than a year ago? Nothing has changed this year
 
I wasn’t implying all the useful services they offer are a bad thing, just over emphasizing services lately over computer centric products is injecting all this trouble for them. ;)
You mean like all the trouble of their market cap going over 2 trillion due to a higher multiple granted to their services?
 
Not my argument, but the reality is when 30% was decided upon, game distribution and marketing cost a fortune, e.g 70%+ of the cost lost by the developers. It was good “value” then. 10 years on, the world has moved on and now not so much. Distribution costs very little now.
But apples cost to dispute 10 years ago isn't radically cheaper today, apple cost to run the store hasn't dropped by half or more so why should up the % fee passed on to developers. It sounds like when Apple gave developers 70% instead of the 30% they was traditionally getting apple did a great thing for the developer community, but now developers are used to getting 70% they now want more and think apple should drop their share?

Do you think if apple said they would drop their share to 15% if developers agree to drop the price to consumer 15% and not raise prices for a fixed time frame that developers would agree? If not then its not about consumers it about greed and taking more from apple when they already made it possible for developers to earn over twice as much per sale as they did was before the App Store
 
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If Epic Games really cared about their user's financialy wellbeing as much as they harp about it, then they wouldn't charge anything for their game...

But oh wait, but they're a business, they have to charge.
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If Apple really cared about their developer's financialy wellbeing as much as they harp about it, then they wouldn't charge anything for their App Store...

But oh wait, but they're a business, they have to charge.

If you agree with the first statement, then you can't disagree with the second.
 
What if that walled community only allowed certain restaurants that paid the development company 30% to deliver food to you and didn't allow the restaurant to tell you that you can come and pick up the food yourself if you wanted?

They also don't allow certain categories of "restaurants" into their app store walled community because they want to be able to review and approve all the menu items they offer.

That's Apple right now.
Thats why its a walled garden, if they let anyone in it would be the Wild West not a walled garden
 
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Digital storefronts on game consoles are just one method of distribution, publishers are free to press and distribute copies of their games on their own if they so desire.

That's not really true. Console manufacturers do get a cut from physical sales.

It's really hard to find exact info for current systems since most of it is under NDA, but the classic example of this is the 10NES chip and the ensuing legal battles between Tengen and Nintendo.

Console makers do control the entire game library.
 
Epic could just offer all their games and in-apps for free on Apple platforms, then Apple does not take 30% and won’t revoke their developer account. Would also make epic customers very happy!
 
What if that walled community only allowed certain restaurants that paid the development company 30% to deliver food to you and didn't allow the restaurant to tell you that you can come and pick up the food yourself if you wanted?

They also don't allow certain categories of "restaurants" into their app store walled community because they want to be able to review and approve all the menu items they offer.

That's Apple right now.

Thats what malls do right now.
 
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Epic could just offer all their games and in-apps for free on Apple platforms, then Apple does not take 30% and won’t revoke their developer account. Would also make epic customers very happy!

And you could just do your job for free too!
 
That only supports Epic position if their position is removing the benefits the App Store provides to the consumer

Nobody wants to cut that part. They just want additional option.
So yeah, that statement is full support for Epic.
 
Nobody wants to cut that part. They just want additional option.
So yeah, that statement is full support for Epic.
Thats not what Epic wants they want their App on their store. They dont want it on both stores. Originally on android they didn't offer their App on the google store they only offered their app via side loading, there was no choice. This didn't work so now they want there own store. People think they are getting choice but they aint, it will be each app on one store and the price will be the same to the consumer, it will just mean epic get to keep all the money. Look at the emails from Tim Sweeny to apple demanding the right to have an epic store with full access to the iOS features and user data. His plan offered no benefit to consumers
 
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Thanks for the link I appreciate...
Yes I’m currently researching for alternatives to this iP11ProMax256 I got a while back...
I used Apple stuff for approx. 20 years (not only), but I’m not married with Apple.
If something else better comes out in few years, I move on again.
Being flexible is one of my top priorities... I have no benefit from being a die hard fanboy... would be just a disadvantage...

Same. not married to Apple and no Apple products. But a 4th year with the same big notch is old now.

Im waiting to see what the 12 Pro includes, but LIDAR means nothing to me. 5g means little to me right now maybe in 2-3 years). The display is what you look at all day.

Same notch and no 120hz (or some increased refresh rate) is no buy. Square sides mean little when some huge % of people use cases. So what makes it not a 10S, S, S at this point or "pro?"

Owned every iphone year since the 3Gs minus 1 where I didnt upgrade. But eye is elsewhere this year. Its at an enough is enough point of giving $1000+ for an upper mid-range spec device.

I just can rationalize how a phone cost more than a 12.9" ipad. For what you are getting for $100 less than a Pro Max phone. It makes the iPad look like a good value at "only" $999.
 
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And how times have changed.

Apple stopped caring about market share because they have alternate streams of income. Apple cares about active devices, because that translates into using their services, buying additional apple products and revenue.

Apple stopped caring about marketshare because not many people in say India will buy a phone that is months of their income. And Apple doesnt make a real "budget" phone. Even the SE there is hundreds of dollars. From what I can find it is ₹ 35,999 or about $493 US for the base model SE. The average salary there is $21k US. You're talking half a month of income to buy the most budget Apple device for the average Indian citizen

When Apple has 66% of the smartphone profits marketshare doesnt matter. They can just keep milking the same userbase for more and more money with more expensive products.

I have no insider info but my gut is Apple being Apple is simply NOT going to absorb a $75-125 increase per unit (that's a LOT of profit) for 5g; regardless of the charger brick and earphones. Those are a few dollars each set tops per prior device BOM.

And people are going to be shocked when prices go up this year. I would say $1050/$1150 for Pros. And as Flossy says the price was already "too god dang high."
 
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Digital storefronts on game consoles are just one method of distribution, publishers are free to press and distribute copies of their games on their own if they so desire.
But they still have to pay 30% license fee, don’t they?

Having alternate distribution wouldn’t mean Apple gets 0%, maybe Apple would get 29% and the store hosts would get 1%. Or maybe Apple gets 26% and the third-party store would 4% for hosting and credit card processing.
 
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Sooo... you're basically scared that your phone might have extra functionality??
I thought I seen it all.
Random apps tracking my location and violating my privacy however else they might feel like it is not any kind of extra functionality that I want on my iPhone, thanks anyway.

If I were interested in that “extra functionality” I’d buy a phone that runs Android. Why bring Apple down to the lowest common denominator?
 
Random apps tracking my location and violating my privacy however else they might feel like it is not any kind of extra functionality that I want on my iPhone, thanks anyway.

If I were interested in that “extra functionality” I’d buy a phone that runs Android. Why bring Apple down to the lowest common denominator?

Because you could stick to appstore ONLY and have it your way ANYWAY.
Jeeez. Use some common sense people. Nobody wants to murder your beloved iPhone or anything.
You will be ok one way or another.

And FYI I am one of those people that would stick strictly appstore myself but I don't have paranoia like so many here do.

I mean look at your username. "PickYourPoison"... as long as it is my way right?? LOL smh
 
I don’t know why some people are blaming epic from being greedy. You don’t get to be the world’s most valuable company by not being greedy.

To me, this story is of the 300 pound gorilla taking on the 800 pound gorilla.

I am just a small developer that has had to pay Apple and Android their 30% cut because I didn’t have any other option. I am hoping epic at least gets some attention and can drop the 30% fee and I can make a bit more money.
 
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