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Note the lack of L3 cache on the new iMacs. When comparing then with PowerMacs, keep that in mind (also note that the PowerMac 733 lacks L3 cache).


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I think that it is very important for Apple to respond to the low-end costumer. Yes the new imac is cool, but they need to keep the current one (a classic model if you will) and lower the price to $599. You must remember in order to take advantage of all the great technology you must have all the gadgets: digital video camera, digital still camera, DVD player, printer and so on. They all cost money. If Apple wants to be your digital hub then it must also offer a low-end low price digital hub. A low-end imac could do that. Say 500mhz 15gb 128ram for $599. If marked right, that might get the masses to join in on Apples digital hub idea. Once in they might learn to love it and move up to that flat panel model. I thought Apple wanted more market share? This would mean more market share.





I think that corbin_a2 hit it on the head we need a real consumer imac. $599 hell $499!!! Apple has an established high end now establish a low end! A low imac will do that!!!
 
Missing the point...

I'm am just appaled at all the narrow minded comments on this thread. You dismiss the iMac because it competes with the towers?!

Let's put this into proper perspective: Currently there is NO consumer model that will provide the feature set, horsepower, and overall functionality that the iMac will to the average consumer. THAT is why this is revolutionary. Just to buy a stand alone DVD burner would cost around $700--and that is w/o any software. Apple has raised the bar in both design, presentation, and functionality and the PC world is now firmly lagging behind us in technology.

If you are upset about the iMac competing with towers, don't be. Hard core users (professional graphic artists, video producers, etc.) will always need a more robust and easily modifiable computer than what the iMac provides. As a professional in the video field I can tell you that the iMac is nice, but it doesn't meet all of my needs.

This event was not a let down--Apple has finally delivered a product that will tempt PC users to make the switch. And isn't that what all Apple fans want? To have the best product on the market? Let's see Dell try to copy this consumer portable!

 
Beyond rumors????

Exactly, nothing beyond rumors....

We all knew for this new iMac... this keynote wasn,t so awesome as i expected, i was so excited this morning when I got up. So, I don't understand why they were promoting this keynote as a really big one... My tought is, this one was a little bit more big but not that big! I've not been so impressed at all.

Then, I'm waiting for a New Powermac G4 or G5... i'm not gonna buy these things, they are really great but... anyway I want a tower, nothing else.
And please a G5... and soon!
 
The Science of Hype...

There IS method to this madness! :)

There are 2 distinct markets that Apple has to deal with.

The Geeks
One of the markets is us...the geeks who pay attention everytime SJ sneezes. All Apple had to do to overhype us was to whisper that there will be a new release at this MW. We are all poised, watching, waiting, and anticipating. We love the hype. We seek after it. And when it's not there, we create it.

Everyone Else
The rest of the world does not pay much attention, at all, to the hype of the computer world. Apple could have released 3 ghz towers today, and outside of the geeks, no one would have paid attention. The success of the iMac (and Apple) is closely tied to catching the attention of Everyone Else. And, that was the reason for the "hype."

The Science of Hype
The level of hype that has had us up all night, chatting furiously on this site (btw, great site!), will barely make much of a notice in the real world, where it needs to be seen and heard. I guarantee that if I got on the phone right now and called my mom, she will not have any clue that Apple just released a new iMac. The Hype is needed to get above the din of everyday stuff, and to reach the target market for the iMac. It will take weeks before even a 10th of the "market" for the iMac is aware that it exists.

Face it, WE always want more. I am as guilty as anyone when it comes to feeding into and creating the hype. I GET the digital world, and anticipate what my future will be in such a world on a daily basis. Am I dissapointed? Yes. As I've mentioned (and will continue to lobby for) I want a NEWTON. This is only one in a series of Macworlds that hasn't delivered on my needs. But, I also recognize the REALITY of business.

The iMac Rox!
Even though I am not the target market for the iMac...I recognize that for ITS target, the iMac is a great computer. And, we need to help sell that to those of our associates who are not geeks, and who look to us to help them make their buying decision. I can in good faith recommend this computer to those of my friends and family who are not tech savvy, and who just want an incredible easy, intuitive, and beautiful computer to use.

Staying on Message
In the vortex of hype, we all tend to forget the fundamentals. Apple has shown that it understands how to package a message, stay true to that message, and still innovate at a dizzying rate. If you look over the past year, they have released some remarkable things. Sure, 6 months seems like an eternity to us, but in hindsight, and to the rest of the world, Apple has accomplished great things. And, they will continue to do so...

Now, let's start hyping the next event. I hear there's a rumor about a new Newton? :)

Happy Computing!

 
happy

Okay, lcd imac has been a rumors for about a year. When it didn't release at the MWYC. Everyone was dissappointed. 6 months later Apple released an LCD imac. Apple is 6 months late!

Everyone is dissappointed that G4 didn't get to ghz. By summer Steve Jobs will fulfill your wish again. couldn't they just release it now and make everyone happy...
 
That darn iPhoto won´t even load my .jpg´s! What´s wrong with the program? It keeps looking for folders sorted after the date of the file in the pictures folder!?
 
everybody seems to be going on about how the towers got a boost 6 months ago, but don't you recall the imacs did as well? I personally hope the apollo g4 chips that can get speeds above 1ghz are meant for future iMac upgrades and the next tower we see will have a g5 with maybe the top model a dual 1.6ghz. I really hope it is within the next 2-3 months like at macworld tokyo.

btw, does anybody know if apple tends to make big announcements at macworld tokyo?
 
Integrals joke?

Does anyone know what the integrals joke that the guy from Mathematica made in the keynote? I couldn't read it.
 
I feel like I was mugged.

Beyond the rumor sites? Way beyond?? *WAY* beyond??? To go where no PC has gone before?? Someone in Apple marketing determined that they were going to lie to the public. That's the only possible answer to me.

I am thoroughly unimpressed with the new iMac. It looks ridiculous. Why can't they come out with something that looks like IBM's Netvista or one of those mock designs we've seen on the web, where the whole machine's locked into the flat panel monitor?? This thing does look like a modified lamp, as a few have suggested, some supposedly stylish thing out of the 60s.

And yes, the thing should be expandable. The only thing this machine offers that a comparable consumer-level PC doesn't is the superdrive. Oh wait... Compaq also offers one in an $1,800 system (although that machine did get rather poor reviews for DVD recording). But for HALF that money, I can get a machine that has PCI expansion, graphics expansion (you can actually REMOVE the graphics card from its AGP slot and--get this--put in a NEW one!). Yes, I know it comes with Windows, but who cares? The anti-Windows hype I see in here comes from ignorance. For consumers, it really ain't that bad.

And iPhoto. Whoopty-frickin-doo. I know Apple has more to announce, possibly tomorrow. I know it. This can not be it. I mean, here we are expecting new G4s--some, new G5s--and we don't get either one! No gigawire (whatever that was), no DDR-RAM upgrades in the towers, no 1394b, nuttin'.

The damn platform is now stuck at 867MHz, and that, for $2,500. Sorry, but for all the subjective complaints about OSes, you get a helluva lot more for you money when you buy a PC, at least twice the price/performance ratio.

Yes, I know that with MS, you have all the BS subscription crap now. I'll tell ya, that and Final Cut Pro are the only things keeping me from jumping ship. I can't even get a damn G4 upgrade faster than 500Mhz, and they're available for far, far more money than a comparable, 2-year old Pentium or AMD upgrade. The Mac world is pathetic.

Okay you religious Mac-worshippers, flame away at my blasphemy.
 
whine whine whine

jezuz! Expect the damn moon whydoncha! Step back and look at Apple's pattern: MWSF: consumer, March 15th: late Pro or software updates,May: OS updates, MWNY: Pro updates, 4th quarter: holiday toys.

I'd like to see one of you whiney gits run a competative and innovative company that successfully competes with the largest corps in HISTORY, while re-defining the industry AND doing the whole thing IN HOUSE. Personally I like the new iMac, it fits my needs. I use a G4 at work and have been looking for a G4 solution to do freelance stuff on for a year without having to sell organs to pay for it. $60.00 US per month for a 800 G4 with a superdrive, real graphics card, 512Mb, OS X, 60 Gb; Hell yes. I have a Rev D iMac at home that takes up more space than I would. An iMac with basically NO footprint that my wife's willing to allow in the main rooms? Priceless.
 
Re: Didn't add up to the Hype™

Originally posted by dw1
I don't think they lived up to the hype. I was expecting much more. Though the new iMac is pretty revolutionary. How does the CD-ROM work, I missed that part?

All in All - I give it an okay. I'm glad they are selling a lot of the iPods which is impresive given the price point.
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The news is power at a low price and with a unique form.

The news is integration.

The news is value added apps. Its not just about iron. But iron is what makes it possible, fast, multi-tasked, at a low price and wireless.

G4 imac is power.

But I remind the Mac faithful, this is MAC World and it was rescheduled because he has another announcement tomorrow at CES. A general interest announcement, not to the Mac faithful alone.

This increases the likelihood of G5 MWNY.

Rocketman
 
Man I feel I got screwed. I've been waiting to upgrade and I still have to wait. The imac is cool but without any PCI slots it's a post modern lamp to me.

They could have at least given a date for the new towers or at least their specs..... something, anything.


-cybin

 
I hate Cry-baby pre-G3 owners.

Some people will never be satisfied until you can buy the high end pro Mac for less than a thousand bucks. Anyone that does not like the speed/value of the new iMac and has a pre-G3 at home that they spent $1000 more than the high-end iMac is just crazy. Anyone complaining that the current G4's are not enough and they do their work on a bondi-blue iMac are nuts! Find what you need out of a computer and get the best one for the job. Anyone that does desktop publishing should be happy now that any computer that Apple sells is more than enough for someone willing to wait 10 seconds for large photoshop filters. Lets face it, we are getting to the point were any photoshop filter will be done in real-time. If your pre-G3 Mac made it this long without upgrading, imagine how long it will last now that you can do pro-video work with it. If all you need it for is music and page layout, then the new iMac is all you will need, hell, the old iMac is all you ever needed.
I have a blue & white G3-350DVD that does everything I need to do but I will get a new iMac just because I can do everything faster and because I did not get a cube when it came out. The towers fans are too loud for me since I spend alot of time working at night and all i hear is that damn fan. Plus there is nothing that I would need a PCI slot for.
 
Who needs towers?

For those who deride the new iMac as a toy and that "serious" users need towers, think again. I have made my living on the Mac since the 80's and I now do all my graphics and video production on a G4 Powerbook and am very happy to be rid of big boxes, big monitors and all of that.... I have a 60GB Firewire drive that I plug in when needed. With Firewire (2 ports on the new iMac) and USB (3 ports on the iMac), and now an internal DVD burner, very few people have a need for a big tower and especially expansion slots. We needed those big towers back when my old 40mHz Quadra 840AV was brand new and it seemed like anything you wanted to do required buying and installing yet another card, but that's last century's technology and we have a better, cheaper and faster way of doing it now.

 
think about the bigger picture here...

Think about the bigger picture for Apple the company. Why would they want to release stuff for the pros (apple converted) ahead of the average consumer??? For sales + marketing, the new iMac is great. Apple will gain market share with this one, and you'll get your towers - a bit of patience...


I think it was overhyped but the new iMac is still great news for apple.
 
Okay - what goes in your PCI slots?

Lots of whining once again about no PCI slots. I'm curious, what are all you people putting in those slots? As a Mac pro I'm glad to be rid of the need for them.
 
also, can the pro line really go an entire year without a single upgrade? it seems unheard of.
 
Originally posted by britboy
compared to the entry-level powermac, the high-end iMac is incredible value! Just $100 more than the powermac, and you get the superdrive, an extra 128 MB ram, pro speakers... who's going to be getting a powermac now?
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People who need the expansion for vertical applications.

The thing I always find amusing about rumor sites is each person posts anbout personal preferences as if all Apple has to do is come out with every little bleeding edge innovation. At some point it is a multi-billion dollar company trying to focus its ustomers on products it can mass-manufacture., Apple is at least superior at delivering featuritis with a strong useability element.

This is a telling release. It reduses (again) the variety of options of computers while raising the bar of entry systems to a level technically higher than the Pro systems.

The next pro release should at least be interesting, if not astounding.

Rocketman.

Apple servers, ship to me.
 
Re: Attention idiots:

Originally posted by Brent Turbo
...I mean, it's gotta be tremendously easy to port an operating system that was made with a specific chip in mind to another chip achitecture, and make all of the software compatible. Not to mention make it compatible with the 10's of thousands of motherboards, video cards and junk add-ons for the PC. ...
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Porting OS X to Intel is not as hard as porting OS 9 or earlier - it is significantly easier.

The reason? Well the BSD Kernel can be recompiled for the Intel Chip (is already available I should say), and because BSD abstracts the hardware layer, all the existing BSD drivers for IDE drives, scanners, etc. should work with little or no effort on Apple's part.

A bigger issue is that one would have to recompile applications, such as Office v.X, to run on OS Xi or whatever an Intel version may be called. But CDs are cheap so even if you couldn't get both versions on one disc, publishers could easily distribute both. And there isn't much to recompiling a well written application.
 
Re: Okay - what goes in your PCI slots?

Originally posted by Crusty Bob
Lots of whining once again about no PCI slots. I'm curious, what are all you people putting in those slots? As a Mac pro I'm glad to be rid of the need for them.
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I consider myself a prouser too and the only reason for PCI slots is maybe for Pro-tools or video.

FW hard drives are still only 7200 rpm and you can get "pro" ULTRA160 scsi drives that run at 15000 rpm big buck though.

And if you are a pro user that you can afford to shell out the big bucks everytime an upgrade comes around.
 
Check the Apple Store more closely

I know everyone is pissed about the towers, but I think there is a sign that they still might be announced this week. When you go to the apple store and look at the new iMac, or the iBook, or the PowerBook, you'll see in the list of apps included where iTunes is listed that iPhoto has been added also. However, on the tower page, the bottom part has not been updated. Even the old iMac listings were updated to list iPhoto which could mean that they soon plan to change that section anyway with a different model. We might yet see GHz G4s or G5s, probably G4s.
 
I have an extra video card in one of the PCI slots so I can have dual monitors, I also have a SCSI card which I use just about everyday. Those two things alone are very important to me. I was also under the impression that you can't really replace the video card in the imac, and a geforce2 MX, although very nice, is not exactly top of the line, especially with nvidia announcing the geforce4 this month.

As for design, I personally prefer something that stands out and really seems to have some substance, although this is the least important aspect to me. Don't get me wrong though, I am a supporter of the new imac design, and I may just talk my mother into getting one for herself as she is not too tech savy.
 
I'm satisfied

I'm satisfied. While the iMac wasn't as groundbreaking as one could hope for, it was undoubtedly cool. The coolest part of the presentation, though, was iPhoto. The ideas implemented in iPhoto are so simple, and yet: When I think of it, I've never before seen an application that combines all of these ideas in one package.

 
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