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Face ID did NOT fail for Federighi

hasanahmad said:
Message with first phone:

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Your PASSCODE is required to ENABLE Face ID:

Read and weep: https://www.macworld.com/article/30...-to-enter-your-passcode-when-you-wake-up.html

Your password is required when you don't unlock your phone for 8 hours with TOUCH ID and Now face ID

I can't believe people overlook this fact.
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Erm. I get the same message AFTER I fail to unlock Touch ID three times. So I don't see anything conclusive that says the phone didn't just malfunction or wasn't face-registered. I'm not worried, but I also think it was a pretty major screw-up when demoing this the first time to the entire world.
 
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timeconsumer said:
I just tried to fail the Touch ID by using a different finger and I received the same message: "Your passcode is required to enable Touch ID" I was able to do this without restarting my device as implied by other posts in this thread.
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Nope. If you fail Touch ID, it says, "Touch ID or passcode to unlock"... like this. The face ID demo phone was clearly passcode locked.
 
No matter what the facts are, some people simply want to believe that Face ID will be a failure. Unfortunately, Apple provided them an avenue today through which to spread their FUD about the feature.

We'll see how it really works when reviewers get their hands on production devices. Unfortunately, that's a month away at this point. We're going to have to endure quite a bit of frustration with this meme between now and then.
 
uwdude said:
But we are saying that is the message you get after failed attempts at touch ID, not after first waking the screen.
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At least on my 6S, here's how it works... if you fail it 3x, it goes to the "Touch ID or passcode" screen. If you fail it 2 more times, it says, "Passcode is required to enable..." screen.
That's not what happened in the video. It went straight to the "Passcode is required to enable Face ID" screen. I believe that means it was never enabled on that device prior to the demo.
 
Theophil1971 said:
At least on my 6S, here's how it works... if you fail it 3x, it goes to the "Touch ID or passcode" screen. If you fail it 2 more times, it says, "Passcode is required to enable..." screen.
That's not what happened in the video. It went straight to the "Passcode is required to enable Face ID" screen. I believe that means it was never enabled on that device prior to the demo.
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Well we don't know how many attempts Face ID allows before the message, it may only be one or two. So I guess we may not be able to settle this right now, but it would make more sense for the feature not to be allowing you to try to read your face 5 times, we will see.
 
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uwdude said:
Well we don't know how many attempts Face ID allows before the message, it may only be one or two. So I guess we may not be able to settle this right now, but it would make more sense for the feature not to be allowing you to try to read your face 5 times, we will see.
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True. I'm assuming it works the same as the current Touch ID system, and it may be different. I'm not too worried about the tech itself. It did work well in the backup unit during demo. And the hands on demos I've seen so far all seemed to work well.
Of course, we all know the notorious tale of how unrealiable and unready the iPhone 1 was during Steve's demo... and then they worked it out for launch.
We shall see...
 
This thread needs to make it to the front page. The demo phone was not authenticated with a passcode in the same way Touch ID forces after a restart. Why this was overlooked we will never know.

Do you guys really want this device to flop? Have any of you even used the damn feature yet?

It is really unfortunate that this happened because the average user will write it off as Face ID not working.
 
Theophil1971 said:
At least on my 6S, here's how it works... if you fail it 3x, it goes to the "Touch ID or passcode" screen. If you fail it 2 more times, it says, "Passcode is required to enable..." screen.
That's not what happened in the video. It went straight to the "Passcode is required to enable Face ID" screen. I believe that means it was never enabled on that device prior to the demo.
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mariusignorello said:
This thread needs to make it to the front page. The demo phone was not authenticated with a passcode in the same way Touch ID forces after a restart. Why this was overlooked we will never know.

Do you guys really want this device to flop? Have any of you even used the damn feature yet?

It is really unfortunate that this happened because the average user will write it off as Face ID not working.
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No, based off Touch ID, the message after first booting specifically mentions restarting. This only comes up after failed scans.
 
Guys, the phone rebooted and as we all know requires a passcode after a reboot. HENCE, why FaceID was not working and the back up phone had to be used.
 
mariusignorello said:
This thread needs to make it to the front page. The demo phone was not authenticated with a passcode in the same way Touch ID forces after a restart. Why this was overlooked we will never know.

Do you guys really want this device to flop? Have any of you even used the damn feature yet?

It is really unfortunate that this happened because the average user will write it off as Face ID not working.
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i kinda do to get apple off their high horse.

i still love my 7+ though.
 
Maybe this one picked up Craig's hair! Clearly it created its own passcode separate from Craig's.
 
predation said:
i kinda do to get apple off their high horse.

i still love my 7+ though.
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Wow. I can’t believe you even said that. You go invent a phone that sells as well as iPhone and then you can hate.
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Paddle1 said:
No, based off Touch ID, the message after first booting specifically mentions restarting. This only comes up after failed scans.
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Then this is post-SOS activation or a tech who’s face wasn’t registered must’ve used all of the attempts before it disabled.
 
MadeByApple said:
Guys, the phone rebooted and as we all know requires a passcode after a reboot. HENCE, why FaceID was not working and the back up phone had to be used.
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No, the message shown is NOT the message you get after a reboot, which specifically mentions that the phone has restarted.

The message in the demo is the message you get after authenticaion has failed a number of times. You can see it right now by trying to unlock your iPhone with a finger you've not registered a few times - you'll get the same message.
 
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Is anyone really going to coherently argue this isn't a first generation of new ID detecting?

Guarantee it'll be more refined next year or coming years. Next year if it gets enough blowback

Just Like how there was first and second generation Touch ID. And maybe even display embedded Touch ID plans haven't been abandoned for the future ...

The apple diehards crack me up sometimes and I consider myself one of them. Just with a keen eye for things. And willing to call a spade a spade
 
thadoggfather said:
Is anyone really going to coherently argue this isn't a first generation of new ID detecting?

Guarantee it'll be more refined next year or coming years. Next year if it gets enough blowback

Just Like how there was first and second generation Touch ID. And maybe even display embedded Touch ID plans haven't been abandoned for the future ...

The apple diehards crack me up sometimes and I consider myself one of them. Just with a keen eye for things. And willing to call a spade a spade
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In my mind, the issue is less about whether or not the demo actually failed. People seemed to have made up their mind well before the keynote that Face ID was doomed as a technology and this just proves them right. Maybe we should let them put it out into the wild first before we condemn it?
 
Paddle1 said:
No, based off Touch ID, the message after first booting specifically mentions restarting. This only comes up after failed scans.
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I'm agreeing after watching the keynote again. He clearly tried twice to read the face and then that message came up. So it was a failed Face ID. Now, of course we don't know if that phone was even set up for his particular face (if not that's a huge presentation failure for the staff), but it clearly didn't recognize his face. It makes me wonder if the wrong phone was placed on the table or something. When it did work on the second phone, the amount of time it took bothered me, it was like going back to gen 1 touch ID.
 
Just to clear a few things up:
1) In iOS 11, the message to enter your passcode after a reboot and after failed attempts are now the same. So you can't glean much from the message either way.
2) Federighi clearly wiped both sides of his face and put the second iPhone really close to make sure it didn't fail. That tells me that it is pretty probable the first one failed face id. If it didn't, then Craig (who would know) clearly knew the issues with face id and did his best to make sure it didn't fail again.

I'm not sure in real life how often people are going to want to wipe their face and put the phone up to their face to unlock it. Hopefully it works better for the final release.
 
OP here . an even more convincing proof it didnt fail is that when touch id fails the lock icon jiggles. It never jiggled once during Craig demo . it also jiggled during hands on demos on the floor today . just look at YouTube hands on videos when the phone is pointed to an unregistered face
 
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bozzykid said:
Just to clear a few things up:
1) In iOS 11, the message to enter your passcode after a reboot and after failed attempts are now the same. So you can't glean much from the message either way.
2) Federighi clearly wiped both sides of his face and put the second iPhone really close to make sure it didn't fail. That tells me that it is pretty probable the first one failed face id. If it didn't, then Craig (who would know) clearly knew the issues with face id and did his best to make sure it didn't fail again.

I'm not sure in real life how often people are going to want to wipe their face and put the phone up to their face to unlock it. Hopefully it works better for the final release.
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heavy makeup?
 
hasanahmad said:
OP here . an even more convincing proof it didnt fail is that when touch id fails the lock icon jiggles. It never jiggled once during Craig demo . it also jiggled during hands on demos on the floor today . just look at YouTube hands on videos when the phone is pointed to an unregistered face
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Okay, if they changed it from how it worked in iOS 11 then you could be right. iOS 10 Touch ID differentiates them.

Off topic: It's funny how iOS 10 got rid of slide to unlock but it's back in iOS 11 on the X "swipe up to unlock"
 
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