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I think that’s a legitimate concern.

BIG WHOOP. Something like that happened to Steve Jobs several years back. I noticed the backup keyboard pin screen showed up. So doesn't bother me one bit. The same thing has happened countless times with the finger print not working.
 
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BIG WHOOP. Something like that happened to Steve Jobs several years back. I noticed the backup keyboard pin screen showed up. So doesn't bother me one bit. The same thing has happened countless times with the finger print not working.

And no one here ever had Touch ID fail on them. Ever. :D

I love the silly season before the new iPhone start arriving. So much angst and hand-wringing, so much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 
I hear ya. It's like that for me on my Samsung Touch ID. It worked almost perfectly for me for weeks on my S8+ and then never again was it quite as good. It still works so I know it's not defective. It's just the same results I've always had with Touch ID until my iPhone 7 Plus and my HTC 10.

Iris scanning hurts my eyes, which is why I don't use it. But when I did use it, it was really convenient just to hold the phone up and have it unlock on the S8. On the Note 7, I had to scan and swipe and didn't care for that. I'm torn on all of this and between the iPhone 8 Plus and the iPhone X.
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Oh no I didn't mean you needed to change it, sorry! I love our regional differences! I thought it was funny! I think there are as many British forum members here as Americans, so it is hardly fair to expect you to change your expressions to American versions.

My fingers are just greasy. They get so oily I could fil a frying pan with it lol. I was my hands a lot
 
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David Pogue contacted Apple why it failed on stage. Here is the explaination straight from horse’s mouth and finally put this thing to rest.

What happened with Apple Face ID fail

Tonight, I was able to contact Apple. After examining the logs of the demo iPhone X, they now know exactly what went down. Turns out my first theory in this story was wrong—but my first UPDATE theory above was correct: “People were handling the device for stage demo ahead of time,” says a rep, “and didn’t realize Face ID was trying to authenticate their face. After failing a number of times, because they weren’t Craig, the iPhone did what it was designed to do, which was to require his passcode.” In other words, “Face ID worked as it was designed to.”
 
What are you babbling about. Passcode has not been removed. It's the main security feature of the phone.

Touch ID and Face ID are a convenience. Both keep all their data on a secure enclave of the chip that is not accessible, or transmitable. The finger print and face data are locked in phone. The enclave part of chip sends unlock code, but not the data. This has been this way for years.

You don't have to use either. In fact for maximum security turn off Touch ID or Face ID and use multiple alpha numeric passcode ten digits or more.
ok good I asked a question and you answered it. I had to confirm because I couldn't believe that passcode would be removed. I'm not touching FaceID. I will touch TouchID :)
 
David Pogue contacted Apple why it failed on stage. Here is the explaination straight from horse’s mouth and finally put this thing to rest.

What happened with Apple Face ID fail

Tonight, I was able to contact Apple. After examining the logs of the demo iPhone X, they now know exactly what went down. Turns out my first theory in this story was wrong—but my first UPDATE theory above was correct: “People were handling the device for stage demo ahead of time,” says a rep, “and didn’t realize Face ID was trying to authenticate their face. After failing a number of times, because they weren’t Craig, the iPhone did what it was designed to do, which was to require his passcode.” In other words, “Face ID worked as it was designed to.”

I'm not real sure that I buy that. Face ID according to a recent article here on Macrumors, only tries twice before giving that message. Seems like it would have been on the passcode screen before he tried Face ID if it was already failed. I guess we would have to test that with a Touch ID device and see what screens appear after failing and going back to sleep. I think the simple answer is it just failed to recognize his face, with the lighting and makeup not helping. The complicated answer would be either a major screwup putting the wrong phone there or espionage, someone getting paid to make sure the wrong phone was there or retrained to another face. Don't forget there are millions of dollars at stake with this one single demo going correctly, possibly even billions.

Also just another thought, if their story is correct, why did the backup phone not also fail? It was likely handled identically. This brings up more questions than it answers. Also if this is the case, if your phone is sitting on a table or if you have it in your hand locked, is it going to try to authenticate every face that walks by? Your server? The person behind you on the subway?
 
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I'm not real sure that I buy that. Face ID according to a recent article here on Macrumors, only tries twice before giving that message. Seems like it would have been on the passcode screen before he tried Face ID if it was already failed. I guess we would have to test that with a Touch ID device and see what screens appear after failing and going back to sleep. I think the simple answer is it just failed to recognize his face, with the lighting and makeup not helping. The complicated answer would be either a major screwup putting the wrong phone there or espionage, someone getting paid to make sure the wrong phone was there or retrained to another face. Don't forget there are millions of dollars at stake with this one single demo going correctly, possibly even billions.

Also just another thought, if their story is correct, why did the backup phone not also fail? It was likely handled identically. This brings up more questions than it answers. Also if this is the case, if your phone is sitting on a table or if you have it in your hand locked, is it going to try to authenticate every face that walks by? Your server? The person behind you on the subway?

It’s up to you to decide whether it really failed simply becauseva problem with Face ID. If you theory is correct then why the back up phone works?
 
I'm not real sure that I buy that. Face ID according to a recent article here on Macrumors, only tries twice before giving that message. Seems like it would have been on the passcode screen before he tried Face ID if it was already failed. I guess we would have to test that with a Touch ID device and see what screens appear after failing and going back to sleep. I think the simple answer is it just failed to recognize his face, with the lighting and makeup not helping. The complicated answer would be either a major screwup putting the wrong phone there or espionage, someone getting paid to make sure the wrong phone was there or retrained to another face. Don't forget there are millions of dollars at stake with this one single demo going correctly, possibly even billions.

Also just another thought, if their story is correct, why did the backup phone not also fail? It was likely handled identically. This brings up more questions than it answers. Also if this is the case, if your phone is sitting on a table or if you have it in your hand locked, is it going to try to authenticate every face that walks by? Your server? The person behind you on the subway?

Wrong , if it failed to recognize Craig the padlock icon would shake like it does for failed touch ID , but it never shakes even once on screen during the conference
 
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I'm not real sure that I buy that. Face ID according to a recent article here on Macrumors, only tries twice before giving that message. Seems like it would have been on the passcode screen before he tried Face ID if it was already failed. I guess we would have to test that with a Touch ID device and see what screens appear after failing and going back to sleep. I think the simple answer is it just failed to recognize his face, with the lighting and makeup not helping. The complicated answer would be either a major screwup putting the wrong phone there or espionage, someone getting paid to make sure the wrong phone was there or retrained to another face. Don't forget there are millions of dollars at stake with this one single demo going correctly, possibly even billions.

Also just another thought, if their story is correct, why did the backup phone not also fail? It was likely handled identically. This brings up more questions than it answers. Also if this is the case, if your phone is sitting on a table or if you have it in your hand locked, is it going to try to authenticate every face that walks by? Your server? The person behind you on the subway?
You do realize what you may see as a likelihood, may not be likely at all.

If someone touches your phone's Touch ID with their finger enough times it will ask you for password.

Since we are talking likelihoods, it's likely that their is a distance component built into face ID. Such that people behind you won't activate it.

On top of that if you are using your iPhone X, it will be monitoring you constantly to see if you are looking at screen. If you are, message beeps will be disabled, and it will act differently then if you look away. The face monitoring is constant.
 
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Wrong , if it failed to recognize Craig the padlock icon would shake like it does for failed touch ID , but it never shakes even once on screen during the conference
Well we don't know that it still shakes or not in iOS 11, does it? He still tried it twice, and then the passcode screen came up. I'm just not buying it so far that it was already passcode locked before he picked it up. I'm going to watch the video again, and I'm also testing the fail procedure again on an iphone.
 
You do realize what you may see as a likelihood, may not be likely at all.

If someone touches your phone's Touch ID with their finger enough times it will ask you for password.

Since we are talking likelihoods, it's likely that their is a distance component built into face ID. Such that people behind you won't activate it.

On top of that if you are using your iPhone X, it will be monitoring you constantly to see if you are looking at screen. If you are, message beeps will be disabled, and it will act differently then if you look away. The face monitoring is constant.
It does seem to me like it's going to scan everybody's face within a certain distance, which will not be a plus for me. Like if you're in the pool with the phone sitting there on the edge, and someone sits down there it's probably going to passcode lock your phone when that other person didn't even mean to snoop.
 
David Pogue contacted Apple why it failed on stage. Here is the explaination straight from horse’s mouth and finally put this thing to rest.

What happened with Apple Face ID fail

Tonight, I was able to contact Apple. After examining the logs of the demo iPhone X, they now know exactly what went down. Turns out my first theory in this story was wrong—but my first UPDATE theory above was correct: “People were handling the device for stage demo ahead of time,” says a rep, “and didn’t realize Face ID was trying to authenticate their face. After failing a number of times, because they weren’t Craig, the iPhone did what it was designed to do, which was to require his passcode.” In other words, “Face ID worked as it was designed to.”

This actually sounds very plausible to me.

1. We know it's not because the phone was restarted since the message shown was different.
2. Some people mentioned the lock didn't shake so it wasn't trying to identify the face. Makes sense since it already reached its maximum 2 attempts.
3. The 2nd phone worked as it should have.

I'm pissed we lost Touch ID, possibly my favorite feature on my phone, but since now we are stuck with this less convenient method I have no option but to root for it.
 
People arguing face ID did not fail and getting analytical to a fault, conversely, one could argue face ID didn't really necessarily suceeed either. :p
 
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My fingers are just greasy. They get so oily I could fil a frying pan with it lol. I was my hands a lot
Mine are dry. I am constantly washing them because I work outdoors a lot (semi rural living) and I am also always cleaning up stuff around here. So it's either problems with chapped hands or I've got lotion on. :rolleyes:

Hmm...I guess I'd better give the iPhone X a try then. o_O
 
Well we don't know that it still shakes or not in iOS 11, does it? He still tried it twice, and then the passcode screen came up. I'm just not buying it so far that it was already passcode locked before he picked it up. I'm going to watch the video again, and I'm also testing the fail procedure again on an iphone.
Good for you. Knock yourself out! :D
 
Mine are dry. I am constantly washing them because I work outdoors a lot (semi rural living) and I am also always cleaning up stuff around here. So it's either problems with chapped hands or I've got lotion on. :rolleyes:

Hmm...I guess I'd better give the iPhone X a try then. o_O

Yup! Looks like we're both in the iPhone x boat
 
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That black tab is annoying. Can you imagine watching TV with one side of the screen having a black tab? How will movie watching work? Will it block out a part of the movie?

That is actually a zoomed in mode. Normally it displays at 16x9 so the sides are cropped. If you double tap the screen it expands to fill the whole screen like shown in the demo. They actually were clear about this.... Apple just had it in zoomed mode most of the time because they wanted to show off the display for the demo
 
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Honestly I think the only true fail at this event was the name “AirPower” for their wireless charger. Sounds like some karate move from a cheap 1980s cartoon.
 
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Alright enough of the poop emojis, what’s the price for this sucker?

It’s been pretty quiet in the auditorium in general. Either the audience is exceptionally respectful to not disturb the presentation with their praise, or they’re not that enthused...

At the end Cook asked staff to stand up, more than half are staff
 
Mine are dry. I am constantly washing them because I work outdoors a lot (semi rural living) and I am also always cleaning up stuff around here. So it's either problems with chapped hands or I've got lotion on. :rolleyes:

Hmm...I guess I'd better give the iPhone X a try then. o_O

Scan the same finger more than once. Different times of the day. I have a scan when my hands are "normal" slightly oily. I have another straight out the shower when they are really dry. And another when more greasy. It's very rare I get a failed touchID on the last two iphones I've owned.
 
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Well we don't know that it still shakes or not in iOS 11, does it? He still tried it twice, and then the passcode screen came up. I'm just not buying it so far that it was already passcode locked before he picked it up. I'm going to watch the video again, and I'm also testing the fail procedure again on an iphone.
It still shakes . it shook during hands on on plenty of YouTube videos
 
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