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How can be hassle and effort when almost everyone has a passcode in their lives?

Get an iPhone bro!
You'll see..... give TouchID 2 weeks; it'll change your life, lol.
They say between tweets, texts, emails, fb alerts, and other notifications- the average user unlocks their phone 65+ times per day.
Yeah, typing a passcode in ONCE is barely a hassle. A minimum of 65 times a day? No thanks! How about I just touch it, with ZERO effort and no thought at all & it shows me my stuff.... but it's VERY secure at the same time?
THAT is the goal! Ease of use/effortless security... we've had it for four generations, since the 5S, so frankly- iPhone users are NOT going back to passcodes.
 
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Yes, if they are so concerned about their privacy they need to know more about the technology they use. There's no excuses these days, and the irony here is that when it happens people jump over them claiming they need to be more informed

But Samsung called it "face-unlock" and boasted about it being another mode of secure unlocking when the phone was launched.

Yes, people are concerned about privacy. And rightly so.

But, since plumbers, artists, auto salespeople, teachers, retail workers, CPAs, bus drivers, house painters, cooks, nurses, firemen, postal carriers, are not technologists and need to rely on what Samsung says in order to make good decisions, it's best to not trust anything Samsung says since their claims were a joke
 
Get an iPhone bro!
You'll see..... give TouchID 2 weeks; it'll change your life, lol.
They say between tweets, texts, emails, fb alerts, and other notifications- the average user unlocks their phone 65+ times per day.
Yeah, typing a passcode in ONCE is barely a hassle. A minimum of 65 times a day? No thanks! How about I just touch it, with ZERO effort and no thought at all & it shows me my stuff.... but it's VERY secure at the same time?
THAT is the goal! Ease of use/effortless security... we've had it for four generations, since the 5S, so frankly- iPhone users are NOT going back to passcodes.

But then I need to clean the sensor 40 times maybe more or less. That's hassle and effortlessly annoying
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But Samsung called it "face-unlock" and boasted about it being another mode of secure unlocking when the phone was launched.

Yes, people are concerned about privacy. And rightly so.

But, since plumbers, artists, auto salespeople, teachers, retail workers, CPAs, bus drivers, house painters, cooks, nurses, firemen, postal carriers, are not technologists and need to rely on what Samsung says in order to make good decisions, it's best to not trust anything Samsung says since their claims were a joke

I already answered that.
 
I already answered that.

And a very poor answer it was. You can't expect nontechnical people to know that Samsung's claims at launch were false. Most expect Samsung to tell the truth. Sounds like you were ahead of the game and knew their claims were bogus right from the beginning.

Would be much easier for Samsung to simply deliver a product that lives up to their claims. Absent that, it's best for people to not trust anything they say.
 
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Thankfully you are not in charge of the world's future technology curve or we'd never move on from fire in a cave.
It's warm, it cooks food, I don't know what your problem is. Why would we ever need something better than fire?
 
And a very poor answer it was. You can't expect nontechnical people to know that Samsung's claims at launch were false. Most expect Samsung to tell the truth. Sounds like you were ahead of the game and knew their claims were bogus right from the beginning.

Would be much easier for Samsung to simply deliver a product that lives up to their claims. Absent that, it's best for people to not trust anything they say.

It was a good answer. Like the ad with the iPhone 7 near a pool or like the perfect gadget to ride a bike in the middle of a tropical storm?
 
Uh oh. Face Gate! Perhaps that's why Apple is working on 3-D infrared scanning & face mapping tech for the next iPhone. But then all you'd have to do is hold up a sculpture of the persons face to unlock their phone I guess. Lol.

Just give me the old fashioned passcode & fingerprint tech and I'm fine.
Sculptures? Wow that's easy to make
 
Except only tech nerds who read tech forums (a tiny minority of S8 owners) will know facial unlocking is a joke.

Millions of regular S8 owners will assume it's robust and secure. And use facial unlocking routinely.
But in reality if your phone is stolen by someone you don't know, unless you happen to loose your wallet with say your driving lisence in it then this isn't going to be a problem. It's more a problem with people you know, say family and friends, co-workers getting access to your phone as they would also need a photo of you. Unless you are a famous person and your photo is in the public domain. Aside from my co-workers and some of my friends, I'm not too fussed if my phone is accessed by my family.
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What do you expect from a company who obsesses over beating Apple instead of focusing on creating good products?
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Their priorities are all screwed up, and it shows in the quality of their offerings and their product design choices. Nothing's improved apart from the screen. The services are plain weird. Being able to see what's inside my fridge? Why is that even a stock feature? Partnering with Harmon Kardon to offer more expensive headphones in response to Apple removing the headphone jack?

It's clear Samsung doesn't stand for anything.
Obviously those things are important to some people. The fridge thing is just an example of the integration into the smart home concept and Samsung sell smart fridges. That doesn't interest me but I'm sure there might be some people out there who are so busy that they don't have time to check their fridge to see what's in it or if their milk has gone off etc. Samsung want you to buy into their ecosystem and buy their internet enabled devices. Apple don't sell fridges and washing machines so they wouldn't be interested in such a feature.

There's nothing wrong with including a good pair of headphones in the box. Would we complain if Apple included airpods with the iPhone. What do you want them to do? Remove the headphone jack also? They are just making a point that they still have a headphone jack for all those who got their knickers in a twist over it and are offering you a a good set of headphones to make use of said jack.

They have improved the processor and the processing software on the rear camera and improved the front facing camera to 8mp. They have also made improvements to the touchwiz interface. However the near bezeless display is the big improvement and that's where the mobile industry is moving this year.

Of course the iPhone 8/X isn't out yet but rumours suggest that it is also going to have a bezeless/near bezeless display. Apple may also bring things like wireless charging and an oled display to the phone which would be useful to people like you and me but for android users it would seem like nothing new as they have had that for years now.
 
Isn't this tech just generally flawed ? How will it work at night ? Does it work with glasses etc? Give me a simple fingerprint ID every time. Seems like another form of feature creep to me.
 
There's nothing wrong with including a good pair of headphones in the box. Would we complain if Apple included airpods with the iPhone. What do you want them to do? Remove the headphone jack also? They are just making a point that they still have a headphone jack for all those who got their knickers in a twist over it and are offering you a a good set of headphones to make use of said jack.

It's pretty obvious that this move is in response to Apple removing the headphone jack with the iPhone 7. Samsung thinks including Kardon headphones can help attract users turned off by Apple's decision in this regard. In reality, the stellar sales of the iPhone 7 shows that consumers have already moved on, between Lightning EarPods, the adaptor or wireless headphones. AirPods have personally made the headphone jack completely irrelevant for me.

But it's okay. Apple too was alone in voicing its unhappiness with flash in the past. Only Apple had the conviction to call flash out for the crap that it was and remove support for it on their ios devices. Apple has always been alone in this regard. Samsung even ran advertisements boasting how their own tablets could run flash while the iPad couldn't. And we all know how the fate of flash played out in the end.

Samsung is, and always will be, Samsung.
 
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It's pretty obvious that this move is in response to Apple removing the headphone jack with the iPhone 7. Samsung thinks including Kardon headphones can help attract users turned off by Apple's decision in this regard. In reality, the stellar sales of the iPhone 7 shows that consumers have already moved on, between Lightning EarPods, the adaptor or wireless headphones. AirPods have personally made the headphone jack completely irrelevant for me.

But it's okay. Apple too was alone in voicing its unhappiness with flash in the past. Only Apple had the conviction to call flash out for the crap that it was and remove support for it on their ios devices. Apple has always been alone in this regard. Samsung even ran advertisements boasting how their own tablets could run flash while the iPad couldn't. And we all know how the fate of flash played out in the end.

Samsung is, and always will be, Samsung.
I don't care about the headphone jack. I bought the iPhone 7 plus and used the lightning headphones until the airpods came out. I was happy using the EarPods with the lightning connection even before I got my airpods. I have expensive headphones with 3.5 mm connections and I could use the adapter but I haven't felt the need.

However there are some people who have a bee in their bonnet about that jack. Some here say that are holding onto an older iPhone because it still has a headphone jack. There will probably be some people that aren't that tied to Apple and so will look elsewhere when they want to upgrade their phones if they still want a headphone jack.

Flash was useful at one point. Obviously not now. In the past I did use flash on my Samsung phones. Then even they stopped enabling it out of the box and I had to enable it manually by side loading. After a while even I stopped using it as most websites moved to HTML 5 and if they didnt it wasn't worth the hassle.

Yes Apple were right about flash it in the long run but there was a period when it was still useful to have. Just like now for some people the headphone jack is still useful or having multiple ports on a computer. Not everyone is ready to move to the future. Some people need time to adapt and that's where Samsung will win some customers if they still offer legacy ports.
 
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Yes Apple were right about flash it in the long run but there was a period when it was still useful to have. Just like now for some people the headphone jack is still useful or having multiple ports on a computer. Not everyone is ready to move to the future. Some people need time to adapt and that's where Samsung will win some customers if they still offer legacy ports.
And Apple doesn't care. They have walked the talk and removed the headphone jack and the people who aren't happy about this move are always welcome to choose an alternative.

The lesson Apple keeps teaching and which others keep ignoring is; to create true meaningful change in a market you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack. Here's a laptop with only USB C ports.

There will never be a right time for this. Past a certain point, you will have to decide that enough is enough and pull the plug. Apple at least has the strength of their convictions to do what they need to do to work towards their vision (regardless of whether they end up being right or whether people agree with them or not), and are willing to deal with whatever fallout comes their way, and it's precisely this attitude that I admire so much.

What does Samsung stand for? What are their convictions with regards to their product design? I don't think even Samsung themselves know.
 
And Apple doesn't care. They have walked the talk and removed the headphone jack and the people who aren't happy about this move are always welcome to choose an alternative.

The lesson Apple keeps teaching and which others keep ignoring is; to create true meaningful change in a market you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack. Here's a laptop with only USB C ports.

There will never be a right time for this. Past a certain point, you will have to decide that enough is enough and pull the plug. Apple at least has the strength of their convictions to do what they need to do to work towards their vision (regardless of whether they end up being right or whether people agree with them or not), and are willing to deal with whatever fallout comes their way, and it's precisely this attitude that I admire so much.

What does Samsung stand for? What are their convictions with regards to their product design? I don't think even Samsung themselves know.
Samsung seem to be convinced by the curved edges and edge features. They are forging ahead with that and seem TJ have done away with flat screens in their flagships. They also seem convinced by oled when most OEMs prefer LCD. Then there are phablets. They have been pushing large screen phones since 2011. I'd say they have some strong ideas which they want to stick with.

I wouldn't compare removing a headphone jack with a touchscreen. There is nothing innovative about that. They only did it because they wanted to make space for the haptic engine in the home button without increasing the size of the phone. Also whilst wireless headphones are more convenient for some they also consume power and offer lower sound quality than wired headphones.
 
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The Touchid fails sometimes and you need to clean the home button

If by clean, you mean swiping your finger over it to wipe off thick dirt. It doesn't have to be smudge or dirt free, just not completely covered.

The claim to need to clean it 40 times a day is BS and you should feel dumb posting such an inane lie in a place where the majority of people are using that exact technology, daily over years, without said qualm. Then when called out you say "well SOMETIMES". Yeah, ok.

They are just biased, it's sad

Let me know when the problem becomes so common that it must be banned by the FAA. IIRC, there hasn't been a single story of a nondamaged iPod lighting up onboard a flight. Let alone a replacement from that program.
 
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Since you generally have to hold your phone to use it, I cannot imagine what could possibly be quicker and easier than an ultra-fast and reliable fingerprint scanner like Touch ID.

Presumably, you're holding your phone regardless. I think infrared iris scanners can add a slight bit of inconvenience compared to a fingerprint scanner; on the other hand, as far as biometrics go, it's certainly a heck of a lot more secure. Not that that's saying much, of course. Future versions will likely improve distance and viewing angles to a degree.

So you can choose between secure Iris scanning which is slow as ****, unreliable and requires you to hold your phone in an awkward angle to your face and fast Face Recognition, which is as secure as a 2 digit passcode.

Cool.

The iris scanners on the Note 7 were surprisingly fast in everday usage while I had one (twice). Before the, uh, you know. Generally speaking, you'd unlock pretty much immediately when you pulled it up to use. I didn't really need to use any awkward angles in general use, but it's entirely possible I adapted and never noticed during my testing phase.

On its own, biometric identification has always been a horribly flawed idea despite its perceived convenience for consumers. There are the usual questions of privacy and government databases, which always get raised. And the ease of court's ability to compel you to unlock your phone with a fingerprint, compared to compelling passwords (though that might change). Setting those questions aside, your biometric data is--by definition--not secure. It can be slightly hard to get (not by much--lifting a fingerprint, getting a usable photo of a person's face, etc. just involves a bit of work), but your biometric data is always and permanently exposed. There are plenty of ways to circumvent fingerprint scanners. Heck, a researcher reconstructed the German defense minister's fingerprint based on a photo (video is in German, no captions unfortunately). The original article is just one of many examples of facial recognition being tricked. An infrared iris scanner might be harder to trick, but that's not the same as being impossible. All of which assumes that there aren't other bugs that can be leveraged to gain access to a device.

Fingerprint scanners are now ridiculously fast compared to their original iterations. I tested it out when my LG V20, and it was pretty much immediate. Being situated on the power button on the back, it made it so the phone unlocked pretty much the moment it's touched to turn the screen on. Very, very convenient. But very insecure, which is why I won't use it. And I know I'm not alone on that front. Which made Apple's adding Touch ID to the MBP, and touting its value for unlocking your Mac, kind of horrifying.

What really surprises me is that device manufacturers haven't given users the option of enabling multiple authentication options in an effort to at least compensate to a degree. You have the various biometric ID options, passcodes, trusted bluetooth devices and locations, etc. Allowing you to enable multiple options surely wouldn't hurt anything: iris scans alongside facial recognition or fingerprints, requiring a passcode (possibly shortened) in addition to another option, etc. Trusted device *not* connected? Require an additional element, such as a passcode. You can enable both, and use either one, but not both.

None of that makes it less insecure to a dedicated attacker, but it would add an additional hurdle or two. For users who value convenience over even basic security, it wouldn't actually affect anything for them. Anyhow, sorry for running off on a slight tangent.
 
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As long as Apple uses Samsung as a key parts supplier, we'll continue to go around this merry-go-round of Apple not being able to keep key new design secrets from Samsung, Samsung learns of the new ideas, but doesn't have the programming or hardware to replicate the new tech, but does it anyway in a half-a$$ed way in order to seem like they "beat" Apple to market and came up with the idea on their own...rinse and repeat.
 
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As long as Apple uses Samsung as a key parts supplier, we'll continue to go around this merry-go-round of Apple not being able to keep key new design secrets from Samsung, Samsung learns of the new ideas, but doesn't have the programming or hardware to replicate the new tech, but does it anyway in a half-a$$ed way in order to seem like they "beat" Apple to market and came up with the idea on their own...rinse and repeat.
So what happened to LG then? Did someone slip them Apple's plans too.

No one has any ideas in the mobile industry. It seems they all wait around to see what Apple are planing to do and then work their staff to the death to produce a slap dash version of it in a few months. It's amazing that they manage to sell any phones at all as they all must be falling apart at the seems because they were made in such haste.
 
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