Feeling Ripped Off

[Mak47]

Have you owned more than one Mac? Do you feel ripped off that you've bought 2, 3 or 4 generations of MacBooks while the kid down the street just bought his first one and has the exact same thing you do?

Apple has stated pretty clearly they're moving to an annual upgrade cycle for the Mac OS. It makes little sense for them to require all users to buy each app update in order to get up to speed.

In the case of Lion, there are plenty of legitimate reasons why people might not have been able to make the jump and it's really, really stupid to force someone to buy something just to make them buy something else to put on top of it. Apple is not really, really stupid--so they're not doing that.

Additionally, many of the features in Lion and ML are really only useful when others you work/socialize with also have the same features. Things like AirDrop or Messages for example.

The more people who have these features, the more useful they are to you. You can't AirDrop a file to someone running Snow Leopard can you?

It's also a benefit to developers. Unless you're running the latest OS, the apps they develop may not work properly--or even be available as is the case with MAS apps. Apple has seen the power of a centralized, easy to use store where users can acquire apps. Users like it and developers like having an easy way to target end users. Apple wants to build a massive ecosystem just like they did on iOS, in order to do that, they need to keep people up to date. Making it harder to get the latest version of the OS is counterintuitive.

 

[kooskoos1814]

It's only $30. If you were using Windows you'd pay $300 for half the quality.

Or go for Linux and get almost the same quality as OS X for free. Wouldn't buy another Windows license now that I have only OS X and Linux on my machines.

 

[Wickedkitten]

I feel like users who paid to upgrade to Lion are getting ripped off. I upgraded to Lion because I am a huge apple supporter and loved the idea of a new OS for $30. Now with the release of Mountain Lion just a short year later, I'm regretting my decision of purchasing OS Lion. Now if I want to get 10.8 I will have to pay $50 while those who didn't upgrade only pay $20. I at least expected there to be a discount for Lion users. Any other Lion users regretting the upgrade?

10.0 - $129, 10.1 - $129, 10.2 - $129, 10.3 - $129, 10.4 - $129, 10.5 - $129, 10.6 - $29, 10.7 - $29, 10.8 - $19.

Forgive me if I'm not crying too many tears over you having to pay $50

 

[hhyy6623]

I feel ripped off actually reading this thread.

We got a winner here. I am totally with you linuxcooldude!

 

[arashb]

And why is it cool for Apple to do updates in one place, but Windows handling it in Updates a bad thing?

Because Apples updates don't start until you ask it to start. Windows updates pop up and tell you that your system will reboot in 15 minutes. And if you're in a program on full screen mode it sucks for you because whether you like it or not it's going to make you quit without saving.

Of course you can turn off automatic updates but I like knowing that theres an update available and not having to manually check.

 

[Wickedkitten]

Because Apples updates don't start until you ask it to start. Windows updates pop up and tell you that your system will reboot in 15 minutes. And if you're in a program on full screen mode it sucks for you because whether you like it or not it's going to make you quit without saving.

Of course you can turn off automatic updates but I like knowing that theres an update available and not having to manually check.

In Windows you can set it to download it and not install it though

 

[Can't Stop]

Or go for Linux and get almost the same quality as OS X for free. Wouldn't buy another Windows license now that I have only OS X and Linux on my machines.

Almost the same? It’s not even in the same neighbourhood of „almost“.

 

[iDemiurge]

Suggestion: Don't upgrade to ML. Hold off until Mummified Pharaocat.

Mummified Pharaocat already exists. It's the Windows XP VM I run on my mac for crazy old school apps.

 

[Lvivske]

Because Apples updates don't start until you ask it to start. Windows updates pop up and tell you that your system will reboot in 15 minutes. And if you're in a program on full screen mode it sucks for you because whether you like it or not it's going to make you quit without saving.

Of course you can turn off automatic updates but I like knowing that theres an update available and not having to manually check.

Wrong. You have 4 options, only 1 does things automatically as you described.

Even with it off you can still set notifications to go off when new updates are available.

 

[Aco Strkalj]

Or go for Linux and get almost the same quality as OS X for free. Wouldn't buy another Windows license now that I have only OS X and Linux on my machines.

It's defiantly a step up from Windows but there is a lack of software that is most commonly used. Specifically games.

Mac has way better UI. So it is no way the same. And better software.

 

[kingbob]

I feel like users who paid to upgrade to Lion are getting ripped off. I upgraded to Lion because I am a huge apple supporter and loved the idea of a new OS for $30. Now with the release of Mountain Lion just a short year later, I'm regretting my decision of purchasing OS Lion. Now if I want to get 10.8 I will have to pay $50 while those who didn't upgrade only pay $20. I at least expected there to be a discount for Lion users. Any other Lion users regretting the upgrade?

Sound piece of advice - dont buy mountain lion this year as well. next year, 10.9 will be for $10. In fact, you dont need to buy that either - the release after that may be $5.

 

[chevalier433]

20$ is a logical price for a pumped Lion with useless extra features for the most users and those with 2010 and older machines.

 

[iThinkergoiMac]

You just don't seem to get it. Apple don't allow major upgrades of OS's to skip versions - e.g. If you have 10.6, you must upgrade to 10.7 then this to Mountain Lion. $20 is a bargain a full OS upgrade - cheapest in the industry. You cannot stay on Lion, skip Mountain Lion and then go to the next one, as you have to have all interim major releases - each with their own upgrade cost.

Apple specifically stated that you can upgrade directly to Mountain Lion from Lion or Snow Leopard. You could upgrade to Snow Leopard directly from Leopard or Tiger. What you're saying doesn't jive with actual history.

 

[arashb]

Wrong. You have 4 options, only 1 does things automatically as you described.

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Even with it off you can still set notifications to go off when new updates are available.

They should let you choose that option right when you install Windows 7 when they let you choose whether or not to automatically updated. I guess now the reason would be in Apples OS you're not by default stuck with that option. Control panel has gotten so messy, even in classic view, that I can hardly ever find what I need. Just a big hassle, easier to set automatic updates off from the start when you install Windows 7.

 

[Lvivske]

Apple specifically stated that you can upgrade directly to Mountain Lion from Lion or Snow Leopard. You could upgrade to Snow Leopard directly from Leopard or Tiger. What you're saying doesn't jive with actual history.

however, you couldn't go from leopard to lion; you needed snow leopard

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It's defiantly a step up from Windows but there is a lack of software that is most commonly used. Specifically games.

Mac has way better UI. So it is no way the same. And better software.

If there's one thing I love about Windows, its that the UI is a thousand times better than OSX. OSX just feels dopey to me and the UX isnt as fluid.


IMO of course, blah blah blah

 

[Jagardn]

Where are you guys getting "$200+" from?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

From the un-official site.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/buy/productID.235488700/quantity.1

 

[Panini]

Are you more angry that you have to pay $20 or the fact that those who didn't upgrade pay only $20?

If it is the latter, then why do you even bother? You've had your fun with Lion, they didn't. Do you really think an entire year with a new OS is not worth $30? Besides, it's not hurting you either way.

 

[ek9max]

I just bought a used iMac and spent $30 for lion knowing that in less than a month I'll have to buy mountain lion. Lol

Lion for a month for $30 was worth it.

 

[iThinkergoiMac]

however, you couldn't go from leopard to lion; you needed snow leopard

Actually, if you got the USB stick from Apple for $70, I'm betting you could. Still, you said Apple never allows users to skip versions and still upgrade, which is just plain not true. That's my point. I never said anything about skipping two versions.

 

[atMac]

Purchase a Mac in 2001 (I 'll go with iMac to go mid range):
$1,299 (assume it came with 10.0)
10.1 - $129
10.2 - $129
10.3 - $129
10.4 - $129
10.5 requires a G4 Or newer so we will assume your MacBook Pro came with 10.5
$1,999 (base cost)
10.6 $29
10.7 $29

Total cost(assuming no RAM or HDD upgrades along the way)
$3,872

Purchase a Dell in 2001 (going off a Dell I bought in 2001)
$1,300 (came With Windows XP Home)
Replaced With new laptop for Vista
$750 (came with Vista)
Win7 upgrade $120

Total Cost(assuming no RAM or HDD upgrades)
$2,170

 

[Jagardn]

Purchase a Mac in 2001 (I 'll go with iMac to go mid range):
$1,299 (assume it came with 10.0)
10.1 - $129
10.2 - $129
10.3 - $129
10.4 - $129
10.5 requires a G4 Or newer so we will assume your MacBook Pro came with 10.5
$1,999 (base cost)
10.6 $29
10.7 $29

Total cost(assuming no RAM or HDD upgrades along the way)
$3,872

Purchase a Dell in 2001 (going off a Dell I bought in 2001)
$1,300 (came With Windows XP Home)
Replaced With new laptop for Vista
$750 (came with Vista)
Win7 upgrade $120

Total Cost(assuming no RAM or HDD upgrades)
$2,170

Yeah, but your still running Windows.

 

[TayyabA]

Wow. Just wow!

 

[rupam.db]

Such a guy !

 

[radiogoober]

I feel like users who paid to upgrade to Lion are getting ripped off. I upgraded to Lion because I am a huge apple supporter and loved the idea of a new OS for $30. Now with the release of Mountain Lion just a short year later, I'm regretting my decision of purchasing OS Lion. Now if I want to get 10.8 I will have to pay $50 while those who didn't upgrade only pay $20. I at least expected there to be a discount for Lion users. Any other Lion users regretting the upgrade?

It's amazing how absolutely ridiculous some people's beliefs or understandings of things are.

I mean, really. I can't imagine being a small business owner and having to deal with completely out-of-their-mind people like you.

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Purchase a Mac in 2001 (I 'll go with iMac to go mid range):
$1,299 (assume it came with 10.0)
10.1 - $129
10.2 - $129
10.3 - $129
10.4 - $129
10.5 requires a G4 Or newer so we will assume your MacBook Pro came with 10.5
$1,999 (base cost)
10.6 $29
10.7 $29

Total cost(assuming no RAM or HDD upgrades along the way)
$3,872

Purchase a Dell in 2001 (going off a Dell I bought in 2001)
$1,300 (came With Windows XP Home)
Replaced With new laptop for Vista
$750 (came with Vista)
Win7 upgrade $120

Total Cost(assuming no RAM or HDD upgrades)
$2,170

I hope you realize how absolutely idiotic this is.

You're comparing costs between a $2000 MacBookPro and a ****** $750 windows laptop. And you're not acknowledging the fact that you were using a decade old OS until the "Vista upgrade." I mean really. How stupid.

 

[Puevlo]

Mountain Lion is everything that Lion should have been except Apple were too lazy and scumbaggy to fix it.