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I haven't seen it so I can't comment. But I think I saw HD movies in iTunes going around $5? Am I right?

no a new released movie in HD is 20 $ on iTunes o_O ... its redic ... why would i pay that much for something DRM protected if i can get the BD + DVD + Digital Download combo Disc Package for 5 bucks more or the single BD edition for even less than 20 $ ...
 
Good point, let's just hope that in the smoke of this fire we will see a new and better product to be it's successor. And not a Mac Pro Server. A MP Server is good for a school's computer lab but not a major company.

Completely agree with you here. My hope is Apple is going to finally break down and let OS X Server run in non-Apple virtual environments. We have a very robust vSphere setup for our main Windows servers and a handful of XServes for Apple authentication / management. It would be awesome to be able to take full advantage of the reliability, storage, and performance we already have in place.
 
On a more serious note though- I really hope they don't ruin FCP. It's so outdated I've been tempted many a time to switch to Premier Pro. Heck, iMovie can do more than Final Cut can when it comes to codecs. Lame.:rolleyes:

I'm excited to see what they come up with for the next release of FCP after seeing what they did to iMovie with iLife '10 or '11 or whichever the most recent one was. Take the full screen interface mode for example, it wouldn't take much to make that GUI touch/gesture friendly, add the plugins/effects/codecs and that would make for something extremely interesting.
 
It's also funny that Jobs has issues with DRM on BDR... Have you tried to play a movie you bought on iTunes on a different device at all? Or even try to burn it to a DVD????

Not funny at all. What's funny is what the music industry did to ITSELF when it demanded DRM in the iTunes store. Their stupidity is largely what lead to Apples' enormous market share of online music sales.

What's even more funny is the movie studios who are now following the footsteps of the music industry by demanding Fairplay on purchased iTunes video content.

DRM has nothing to do with the evil bidding of Steve Jobs. For some bizarre reason the content providers LOVE locking everyone into the Apple ecosystem. They are absolute idiots in this regard and have no concept of what they are doing to themselves.
 
Not understanding at all why ANYONe would want to watch a BD on a small screen. I bought my first flat screen last summer (46 inches) along with my first BD player and LOVE the damn thing more and more. It's gorgeous and I am hooked. the only reason to put BD players on Mac is for HD editing.
 
I suspect Blu-ray's lack of support on Apple to be a certain pain with professionals, but in actuality with the average consumer it is nothing worthy of any distress.

In 4 or 5 years Blu-ray will probably be relegated to the heap along with DVDs. Though I don't believe they will go quite as swiftly or decisively as VHS tapes, they will be outmoded by a new, better format that doesn't require motors, lights, or rubber bands to make it work.

Really 4-5 years eh?? So explain why DVD still outsells BluRay and it will continue to do so for many many years. Its a reliable quality medium and people love it. Jobs needs to realise that the tech world is not gonna be all about the cloud and that we all dont have his money to just simply download heaps amount of films in HD (720p). Until such times 1080p along with the HD soundtrack is available from iTunes we will all still have a BR player and will all be happy because like Steve says 'It just works'!

For people to change to BluRay then prices need to drop to that of DVD and eventually BR will replace DVD. Downloading will never ever replace a disk. No Sirrrrreeeeeeeeee Steve Jobs most of the time lives in the dream world. If Apple really did listen to its customers then iMacs MBs etc would have a bluray drive. The problem with SJ its he who decides what customers think they want.

Very rarely do they actually listen to feedback because its Apples policy to make us think we are all stupid as consumers and they are right. Thats the way Steve rolls. It will soon bite him in the ass soon enough and then he will look very silly when BR drives will be in the mac line up and Steve is proved wrong. Watch this space when the next rendition of the ATV has a BluRay drive integrated because thats the only way to do it Stevey boy. Then watch as Apple makes a fortune and Steve is forced to eat his own words.
 
no a new released movie in HD is 20 $ on iTunes o_O ... its redic ... why would i pay that much for something DRM protected if i can get the BD + DVD + Digital Download combo Disc Package for 5 bucks more or the single BD edition for even less than 20 $ ...

CRIPES.
Or, do like I do, and pay the $20 a month to Netflix or Blockbuster, rent the damn thing by mail and worry less about download time/compromised picture quality/inferior sound. Someone mentioned before to someone else...obviously not everyone thinks like him. The same applies here but I have found my practical solution for enjoying FullHD content at a reasonable price.

Ownership of discs compared to ownership of an iTunes digital movie...F it. Buy the damn movie on disc when the price comes down. I have a case and disc in-hand that takes up space on my shelf (pro and con). iTunes movie...how many downloads do you get of a film you purchase? Suppose your hard drive gets hosed. Pro - no shelf space gets taken up. Con - potential drive failure leads to re-download and hard drive space gets eaten up.
 
Not understanding at all why ANYONe would want to watch a BD on a small screen. I bought my first flat screen last summer (46 inches) along with my first BD player and LOVE the damn thing more and more. It's gorgeous and I am hooked. the only reason to put BD players on Mac is for HD editing.

I don't think anyone wants BD on their Mac as their main method of viewing BDs. I want it so I can bring a few BDs with me when traveling and watch them on my laptop. I have an HDTV and surround system to watch BDs at home.
 
Isn't Apple the company that ditched floppy disks because CDs were a newer and better technology?

But no. We're just going to stick around with DVD forever now because blu-ray is a "bag of hurt."
 
I don't think anyone wants BD on their Mac as their main method of viewing BDs. I want it so I can bring a few BDs with me when traveling and watch them on my laptop. I have an HDTV and surround system to watch BDs at home.

I want it so i can make them, not watch them.
 
Really 4-5 years eh?? So explain why DVD still outsells BluRay and it will continue to do so for many many years. Its a reliable quality medium and people love it. Jobs needs to realise that the tech world is not gonna be all about the cloud and that we all dont have his money to just simply download heaps amount of films in HD (720p). Until such times 1080p along with the HD soundtrack is available from iTunes we will all still have a BR player and will all be happy because like Steve says 'It just works'!

For people to change to BluRay then prices need to drop to that of DVD and eventually BR will replace DVD. Downloading will never ever replace a disk. No Sirrrrreeeeeeeeee Steve Jobs most of the time lives in the dream world. If Apple really did listen to its customers then iMacs MBs etc would have a bluray drive. The problem with SJ its he who decides what customers think they want.

Very rarely do they actually listen to feedback because its Apples policy to make us think we are all stupid as consumers and they are right. Thats the way Steve rolls. It will soon bite him in the ass soon enough and then he will look very silly when BR drives will be in the mac line up and Steve is proved wrong. Watch this space when the next rendition of the ATV has a BluRay drive integrated because thats the only way to do it Stevey boy. Then watch as Apple makes a fortune and Steve is forced to eat his own words.

Blu-ray prices HAVE dropped significantly, followed by the DVD prices dropping.

I think it's very foolish to say that people will never switch to downloading media, when Netflix streaming is 20% of peak US internet traffic. There is quite obviously a market for downloadable media
 
it's not the drive, you have to add DRM to the OS. it's probably a big deal since a lot of OS X is open source and it's against the BD consortium's rules to release the source code for the DRM

Wow. Speaking sincerely, statements like this confuse me. Why announce, "I imagine it might work *this* way," when you don't have to guess? The facts are easy enough to find. If you don't know the answer, why not look it up? And if you don't feel like looking up the answer, why bother guessing at it?

The open-source aspect of OSX has nothing to do with Blu-Ray's DRM. Apple could absolutely implement the appropriate DRM without exposing its source code. You'll notice that Adobe hasn't had to open-source, say, Photoshop in order to release a Mac version. Also, an enormous chunk of Apple's OS code (mostly the UI stuff, but other things as well) is closed-source.

The BD consortium's "rules" have nothing to do with it. While the DRM required for Blu-Ray is incredibly restrictive, Jobs also has an incentive to keep Blu-Ray off the Mac. (Blu-Ray will probably disappear in the next 5-10 years, superseded by downloaded content). Since Apple already offers downloadable HD content, they have no reason to offer Blu-Ray support--it would just slow their customer base's transition to the inevitable downloaded content, costing them both money and the development time required to implement Blu-Ray support.

So between the Blu-Ray's licensing/DRM requirements and the coming transition to "pure" downloaded content, Blu-Ray really is "a bag of hurt," as Jobs suggests. But Apple is essentially telling its users to suck it and wait until 10-50 GB downloads are commonplace. As a member of the user base, I don't appreciate this. It's pro-Apple but anti-consumer. Apple and its OS have many wonderful attributes, but consumer-friendly business decisions are not among them as often as they should be.

Jobs is a control freak, and his products generally benefit from this. But the flip side of the control coin is the vaguely fascist undercurrents that permeate Apple's products and business decisions. Bill Gates took huge amounts of criticism for years, and much of it was completely justified. But in retirement, he's become one of the smartest, most insightful philanthropists around. (Really. He does his homework and his foundation funds things that make enormous differences in the world).

So yes, I like Steve's products--and I buy them. But when it comes down to who I'd want to sit next to at a dinner party, it's gotta be Bill. He's a lot dorkier than Steve, but I'll bet he's got more interesting things to say once the topic moves beyond computers.

(Neither has responded to my latest invitation).

Cheers,

Jason
 
I don't care about Blu-Ray, I don't want another disk that costs a lot and takes ages to burn. Burning a DVD is a pain already as it is, taking 15 minutes to burn a freaking disc.

The future is in small, reusable mediums such as USB drives that you buy once and re-use as many times as you like. It's more eco-friendly, allows for large storage, they're fast and not fragile. They don't require a "drive" with motors and mechanics inside, and take up a ridiculous amount of space in today's increasingly thin notebooks.

The idea of "another disk with more capacity" is the wrong one, I think. People should take new approaches to mobile media.

I also don't see the point in paying more just to get a slightly higher resolution movie, for which you need a special high-resolution screen anyway. Also, the difference cannot be seen if you sit far enough from the TV screen.

Downloads are fast today, you can rent a movie on iTunes and play it without waiting even on a relatively slow, 4mbps connection. This will get much better soon, as ISPs start offering cheaper and faster connections.
 
so far the only good cloud model i've seen is Steam. you buy a game and can download it as many times as you want

itunes does this with Apps. no way i'm buying electronic HD movies and then have to worry about where to store them. i'll just buy the shiny disk that has better quality than iTunes and can be taken to other people's homes to play.

netflix streaming is nice but the selection sucks. and they actually lost rights to some content. i'm looking at cancelling my subscription
 
keep in mind that blu-ray's drm is damn near close to a rootkit. Some blu-rays phone home and who knows what kind of data is being sent back. It is kind of spooky.
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You don't have to enter any personal info on a blu-ray player. As opposed to say, an iTunes account where they get your whole life story and know what brand of toilet paper you use. ;)
 
Blu-ray prices HAVE dropped significantly, followed by the DVD prices dropping.

I think it's very foolish to say that people will never switch to downloading media, when Netflix streaming is 20% of peak US internet traffic. There is quite obviously a market for downloadable media

blu rays also sold more than DVDs last month. Sometimes the price of the blu ray is LESS than the DVD.

Jobs is an idiot. more and more people are moving away from iTunes.
 
All I want is for Apple to provide native AVCHD support, instead of requiring transcoding into Apple Intermediate Codec (tantamount to an admission of failure, in this age of HD camcorders).

What were the specs on your friend's Win 7 box? I can almost guarantee it's not as old as your machine.

Anyway you slice it AVCHD is a pain to edit in. It sounds like you were under the gun and were rushed for time which resulted in poor planning on your part.

The low-resolution import is actually a slower import because it has to downsize the footage so you're really adding an extra step in there. Keep the resolution as high as possible next time and you'll be better off. Instead of trying to save disk space, get a faster external hard drive for editing and copy your footage there before you point iMovie to the import. It'll make a difference. Using an internal laptop drive and reading from the SD card during the editing process is just asking for trouble.

If you have a copy of Toast, it'll take the .mts files as well and create a DVD out of them. It's quick if you don't need the menus.
 
Please Mr. Jobs. Don't ruin Final Cut.

"We've decided to combine the magic of IOS with Final Cut."

lol. Oh god, I hope they don't pull that.

I just hope they add AVCHD to FCE & FCP (I know "pros" don't shoot on AVCHD but Sony's got some decent high-end cams, $3,000+ that shoot with AVCHD).

I've been out the loop on the video-world, but I'm content with FCP - not sure what else they can add.
 
Here's my thoughts:

BluRay: I'd really like to see it. For these reasons:
-Higher Quality than iTunes downloads
-Better & more features than iTunes (behind the scenes, multiple language tracks, etc.)
-Cheap backup method

And even if iTunes downloads got the same quality & features as BluRay, do you know how long it'll take to download/stream? In the US, internet speeds are still cr**-tastic and will take several minutes, if not hours, to even buffer enough of the movie to watch it.

Plus, burnable BluRay discs are still cheaper than flash drives of comparable size. On Best Buy's website, you can get a 3-pack of 25 GB BluRay Discs. On dealram.com, a 16 GB flash drive will cost you $26, 32 GB for $46 and 64 GB for $132. Sure Blu-Ray may not be rewritable, but for basic archive service, they're fine.

Last thing about BluRay is if Steve Jobs is "ashamed" of being associated w/ BluRay for being on its board or whatever, why not just get off it?


For the xServe, sure they might not have sold many, but that doesn't make them unimportant. Plus, I'd like to know why Apple didn't put them into its data center? Why not make the xServe good enough for its own data center? My guess: servers aren't "sexy" enough.



For Final Cut: please be 64-bit Cocoa-goodness. While I don't use it, I have a few friends who do. WOuld help immensely. If I were in the film industry, I wouldn't mind waiting a few extra months if it meant having a good product rather than a meh kind of product.

With Faces in Aperture, I kind of like it. For people who don't want it, I don't see why you have to use it. I'd be more concerned about Apple dumbing down the features than adding some "consumerish" features that some people might find useful. I didn't like the difference between iMovie '06 and '08. '06 had a lot of good, basic editing things that '08 got rid of. I like making chapter markers, transitions, basic effects, etc. '09 and '10 were better. I don't need totally fancy stuff. Just some basic editing stuff for when someone gets married or something, I like to make slideshows/home movies. Just something that I could make something nice with.

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