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As for Blu Ray, it's over. We're heading into streaming. Blu Ray is done. Apple blew past the issue like a tailback breaking through the Detroit Lions' secondary. The consumer barely noticed. Apple kept selling record numbers of Macs quarter-for-quarter.

Steve was right. Again.


Apple streaming quality is crap, however it has the apple logo on it so i understand why you could choose it. Some people would choose an inferior product with the apple logo on it just to stay loyal to the brand. I would think that apple pays your for your posts, but i think even they would be embarrassed by the level of fanboyism.


Think differently :rolleyes:
 
Same here. I have zero interest in BR on a laptop, desktop, et-al. I cringe when my wife says she wants to buy a movie. If I've seen it once, I'm done. I never found the fascination with owning movies really. Music is different, but it's all downloadable and on my iPhone, and/or iPod/iMac/MBP...

Imagine, if instead of a movie, it was a CD, and the current format was cassette. That's what movie addicts are talking about here, and there's no reason for Apple to be dragging their heals.
 
Choices are good. Apple should bring Blu-ray to the Mac, at least as an option. Is there any petition site out there?
 
People can still watch a Blu-Ray on a Windows PC. You can still use Linux or Windows on your own blade server. Apple just isn't a one stop shop which is good and healthy. You don't have to use Apple for everything.
 
Blu-ray may eventually come to the Mac, but not before the MacBook Pro begins shipping without an optical drive. The biggest issue is not DRM, but battery drain.

Once the optical drive has been phased out of the portables, then Blu-ray may show up in the iMac, Mac Pro, and Mac Mini. At that point Blu-ray will also likely be available in the external optical drive. That way watching a Blu-ray Disc will not drain the battery and the issue will be moot.
 
what's makes me laugh to the point of Hysteria - The Simpsons Movie on iTunes is £6.99... £3 in HMV!!!! People who purchase on iTunes have more money than sense!
yep!
oh and when a friend asks to borrow it or ya wanna go watch at their house...ouch. you end up at hmv anyway and you get laughed at with your digital copy that is viewable on the oh so theater like mackbook or even better the iphone...
 
Steve could say that 2+2 is 5 and you would use some twisted logic to say he's right.

Apple has once again revolutionized the world with the new mathematical standard. The old math is dead. It's over. Only one man was visionary enough to recognize thousands of years of "knowledge" for what it really was -- a huge misconception. Those who challenged him will be mocked when people realize the truth. You'll see.

Once again, Apple changes everything. The world will be different forever. Schoolchildren of the future will look back and laugh at how long we were left in the dark, until finally one company saw the light. :apple:
 
I work in live production now instead of post so please pardon my question; what is AACS? :rolleyes:

Google too hard ? Advanced Access Content System. It's the encryption scheme used on Blu-rays.

Wouldn't updating even a basic decoding set have the potential to disrupt whatever else QT affects? I mean, not just iLife, but Finder itself would be disrupted to an extent (stuck trying to preview a movie file) if some code was wacky in a BD update.

Finder right now can deal with unknown codecs just fine, it just displays the icon of the associated video application instead of a preview of the movie. I don't see how an AACS decryption problem would be any different. There is no disruption right now.

The fact is, AACS "problems" are a red herring. This is not what Apple cares about and the fact is, it's not much of an issue. This is very much Apple wanting people to buy from iTunes.
 
1/ I am really looking forward to a brand new Santa Rosa MBP running Lion and a new version of FCP.

2/ Regarding BD for me personally the only "bag of hurt" is created by Apple because I cannot watch BD on my Mac nor create them with Apple tools/apps (both I can with a workaround - thats the bag of hurt)

For me BD is great - cheap players are now on the market and they can even upscale standard DVD nicely. So as a consumer I like BD.
 
The DRM requirements for Blu-ray are atrocious. That's why if you're a PC power user you probably own Slysoft's AnyDVD HD.

Microsoft had to go as far as to implement a system-wide DRM protection scheme for both audio and video outputs in Windows Vista and 7.

It's one thing if Apple could get away with creating a Blu-ray player application that meets the DRM standards. It's another if they have to implement a content protection system for Mac OS X.

At least with FairPlay, it's confined to QuickTime.

So how come you can get fully functional Blu-Ray playback on XP from the likes of Cyberlink?
 
Not for long. It's the future. We're being pushed toward it a little faster than some would like.

It may well be the future. I don't deny that. But the definition of "future" is "not yet" and for now, Blu-Ray is still alive and well. And the only viable solution for mass market distribution of true HD video content.

Whenever someone asks if they should buy the {MacBook Pro | Mac Pro | iPad | iPhone} now, or wait until the next update, we always say "buy now if you need the features now. Who knows when the update will arrive, or if the new version will be worth it." Why the sudden change of tune in this particular scenario?

You'd have me give up 1080p video and HD sound, right now, because "at some point in the future" I'll be able to have those things through streaming?
 
Not for long. It's the future. We're being pushed toward it a little faster than some would like.

And in the meantime, ISPs are implementing caps which is only going to hurt streaming even more.

Optical media is here to stay. Get over it.
 
Not for long. It's the future. We're being pushed toward it a little faster than some would like.

:rolleyes: Some of us would like the best quality right now and for years to come, rather than live with some delusions idea that someday far in the future streaming quality might be slightly better than upconverted sd video. Others would rather kiss the boot and watch lower quality just because it has an apple logo on it.
 
As for Blu Ray, it's over. We're heading into streaming. Blu Ray is done.

The next time I want to watch a film with bad resolution, bad bitrate, bad bit depth, color sampling, and a screen that doesn't reproduce the image as it should, I will stream a film.
Blu Ray at least gets closer to the "original product" than any other (digital) home theater medium.
If it was my choice, I would have a laptop that could double as a 35mm motion picture projector. Only then would my laptop be able to reproduce what the cinematographer intended!
 
Have any of you actually used a Blu-Ray player? They are universally terrible. The 1080p video looks lovely but the players are buggy and slow with ridiculous load times. The "extra" features are a joke too. There is no consistency as the interface is different for each disc. It's like having to learn a new operating system over and over again. The discs that have online content almost never work and when they do it's virtually unusable anyway.

Image quality: 10/10
Hardware/Interface: 0/10

Netflix HD streaming is amazing on the AppleTV. It's the best implementation of Netflix ever. The software interface is perfect and it's zippy. As long as you have a decent internet connection (7-10 Mbps or better) I defy anyone to notice any significant audio or image degradation.
 
Apple's DRM still allows you to output sound and video without copy protection (ie, apps like Audio Hijack Pro can hijack and record audio originating from DRM-ed sources, in the same way DVI outputs video without any DRM attached to it).

BluRay requires that the DRM reaches right into the monitor so nobody can capture any DRM content digitally. That is another level of protection. Now, I do not know whether the open-source foundations of OS X would cause any problems in implementing such a DRM but BluRay DRM is definitely different from FairPlay DRM.

Wrong, iTunes require HDCP to be present to the monitor connection, same as Blu-ray. OS X already supports HDCP, so it's not even a problem for Blu-ray. The problem is AACS, which is just the encryption module for Blu-ray.

I really can't believe the number of people in this thread that are just fine and dandy with highly draconian, OS-level DRM being implemented system-wide simply for the playback of a stupid video disc...

I don't mind DRM like FairPlay and Steam's. It's reasonable and doesn't extend past their respective apps. DRM that encompasses the entire OS, though? Screw that. Screw it long and hard.

Fairplay requires the same DRM that extends passed your playback app. HDCP. Look it up, OS X already supports it.

I can't believe how many people don't know the first thing about the DRM requirements of BD and think they can comment on it. :rolleyes:
 
Have any of you actually used a Blu-Ray player? They are universally terrible. The 1080p video looks lovely but the players are buggy and slow with ridiculous load times. The "extra" features are a joke too. There is no consistency as the interface is different for each disc. It's like having to learn a new operating system over and over again. The discs that have online content almost never work and when they do it's virtually unusable anyway.

I haven't tried any current-generation Blu-Ray players, but I have a PS3 solely for the purpose. It was (and possibly still is) the best Blu-Ray player out there. Yes, there are some longer load times, but not really much longer than a DVD. Compare that to the Sony standalone Blu-Ray player I had, which took a minute just to power up (yes, I timed it). Unacceptable.

I hope they've got better since then, but I imagine some of the cheapo players are still slow.

As for the menu interfaces, well, that was the case with DVDs too...

Sometimes there's something to be said for the old tech. Remember pushing a VHS tape into the player? How long did it take to power up and start playing -- maybe a second or two? :)
 
Have any of you actually used a Blu-Ray player? They are universally terrible. The 1080p video looks lovely but the players are buggy and slow with ridiculous load times. The "extra" features are a joke too. There is no consistency as the interface is different for each disc. It's like having to learn a new operating system over and over again. The discs that have online content almost never work and when they do it's virtually unusable anyway.

Image quality: 10/10
Hardware/Interface: 0/10

Yes, I use one all the time and it works just fine. If you can't figure out the Blu-ray's menu system, perhaps you need to stick with VHS. They're really no different than a DVD's menu.
 
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