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Eli Sucks

I just bought, over the Christmas holidays, Blu-Rays for the entire Harry Potter series, Lord of the Rings, Twister (hey, it was on sale), Book of Eli, and the A-Team. These join the dozen or so other Blu-Ray movies on my shelf already. I'm watching them either on a 47" 1080p screen or on my projector (putting out a 100" picture).

Dude, Book of Eli sucks.
 
Just because something is 'open source' doesn't mean you have to release the source code. GNU Public license requires you to release source code for any changes you make ; I'm very sure that either Apache or BSD license does not require the same.

Apple should avoid using o/s products that use GNU licenses for 'sensitive' components. In fact, many companies avoid GNU licensed products like the plague, it can be a 'bag of hurt'!

So, Apple could integrate the DRM quite easily, if they really wanted to.

Blue Ray in OSX would be great. I have many High Def movies from my HD camera that I'd love to put on to a BluRay disk and give to other people. Digital often isn't practical for these people.


Apple prefers to release Open Source code under their own license, (which is similar to the apache license,) but there is plenty of GPL code in even the most recent version of OS X;

http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/mac-os-x-1065/
 
if itunes were to offer real HD at say 20GB on average per movie file, where would i keep it once i download it?

Keep it? Keep it? Gosh, why would you want to keep it when you can simply re-stream it from the iTunes Store every time you want to watch the movie? All for a low, low price of $4.99 per view! It's the future, man!
 
Just because DVD menu's are crap also, doesn't excuse Blu-Ray.
Streaming is getting better every year, while physical media seems to be getting worse.
Why do most discs force you to watch a commercial about how great Blu-Ray is when you're obviously already using it? Why do you they want to show me a trailer for the movie I just put in? Why did they disable the skip forward button? Why do some movies crash when I my internet is plugged in?
While the picture quality of Blu-Ray is second to none, the hassle of playback seems to be getting worse as time goes on. It's gotten to the point where my wife prefers to rent the DVD versions of her movies on NetFlix and I will only order the Blu-Ray if streaming isn't available.
I used to avidly collect DVD's, but the convenience streaming combined with the annoyances I've had with Blu-Ray (and newer DVD's) has resulted in not having bought a physical disc in over a year.

/rant

I have watched many Blu-ray movies and not once have I had one where there were unskippable previews or commercials. The skip button might be disabled, but the fast forward button is not, and it skips me right to the end.
 
You know at the end of the day everyone is faced with the same situation.
Apple software (FCP,FCE iWork, iLife...) has suffered at the expense of the mobile toys, and the diversion of resources to support the iPhone and such.

All I have seen and heard is talk about how great future releases will be. And then we get a half baked release of ILife11.

Anyone care to deny this?
 
Yeah, remember back when we had CDs to listen to music ? Oh wait... :rolleyes:

Optical media is here to stay for quite a while longer than your projected 4-5 years. DVD is still the king for movies, CDs for audio, nothing downloaded even approach the numbers. Blu-ray is still climbing the charts. In 4-5 years, I think we'll finally reach the point where Blu-ray is defacto and DVD is on the decline.

Actually, Apple is the largest single retailer of music;
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/03itunes.html

However, if you mean total CDs vs total DDL then, ya your 100% correct.
 
if itunes were to offer real HD at say 20GB on average per movie file, where would i keep it once i download it?

No - if you are using x264 and no crap (like probably Apple does).

Diary Of An x264 Developer (*)
"“Professional” tools for Blu-ray video encoding can cost as much as $100,000 and are often utter garbage."

"With x264′s powerful compression, as demonstrated by the incredibly popular BD-Rebuilder Blu-ray backup software, it’s quite possible to author Blu-ray disks on DVD9s (dual-layer DVDs) or even DVD5s (single-layer DVDs) with a reasonable level of quality."
http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/archives/328



(*)
"According to Apple Insider, the Messaianic chief Macolyte was asked what he thought of the VP8 WebM video in an email, to which Steve simply replied with a link to a posting on Jason Garret-Glaser's Diary Of An x264 Developer blog."
 
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I looked into getting an external BluRay burner for my iMac. It would cost about $300 for the hardware and software (since Macs can't natively write to BluRay disks). I was going to spring for it until I looked at the specs. I didn't realize a writable single-layer BR disk can only hold 25 gb. I thought it would top out around 80. I mainly wanted to use the medium for backup. My iTunes library alone is about 100 gb. There's no feasible way right now to back up anything of that size, except onto another hard drive (or to span 2 dozen DVDs). I guess I could spring for terabytes of online storage. It's getting to a point where there's simply too much data to handle efficiently.
 
I looked into getting an external BluRay burner for my iMac. It would cost about $300 for the hardware and software (since Macs can't natively write to BluRay disks). I was going to spring for it until I looked at the specs. I didn't realize a writable single-layer BR disk can only hold 25 gb. I thought it would top out around 80. I mainly wanted to use the medium for backup. My iTunes library alone is about 100 gb. There's no feasible way right now to back up anything of that size, except onto another hard drive (or to span 2 dozen DVDs). I guess I could spring for terabytes of online storage. It's getting to a point where there's simply too much data to handle efficiently.

Use Mozy online backup. Unlimited amount. Once you do the first backup (which might take a week or so), it is reasonable to do daily backups.
 
"Jobs still considers the technology to be a "bag of hurt", with DRM restrictions and licensing issues that make the format unattractive."

Translation: Apple can't control the DRM on it, so we aren't interested in offering it.
 
The only "bag of hurt" Blu-Ray causes me is that I need to reboot into Windows to watch them on my Mac Pro.

They sure look great on my LED Cinema Display. A hell of a lot better than the 720p compressed iTunes Store movies you want me to buy instead of the disc format.

C'mon Steve. A little convenience, please.
 
so far the only good cloud model i've seen is Steam. you buy a game and can download it as many times as you want

itunes does this with Apps. no way i'm buying electronic HD movies and then have to worry about where to store them. i'll just buy the shiny disk that has better quality than iTunes and can be taken to other people's homes to play.

netflix streaming is nice but the selection sucks. and they actually lost rights to some content. i'm looking at cancelling my subscription

I totally agree with you. I think content you buy should be redownloadable. Let us both hope that datacenter has something to do with bringing that idea to life!

As for Netflix content disappearing... Some of the movies on streaming are actually "starsplay," and not normal Netflix content, which are limited as to how long they can be played.
 
I looked into getting an external BluRay burner for my iMac. It would cost about $300 for the hardware and software (since Macs can't natively write to BluRay disks). I was going to spring for it until I looked at the specs. I didn't realize a writable single-layer BR disk can only hold 25 gb. I thought it would top out around 80. I mainly wanted to use the medium for backup. My iTunes library alone is about 100 gb. There's no feasible way right now to back up anything of that size, except onto another hard drive (or to span 2 dozen DVDs). I guess I could spring for terabytes of online storage. It's getting to a point where there's simply too much data to handle efficiently.

Why not a NAS? That is what I do with my TB's of data.
 
Yes, it's called HDCP and I'm tired of pointing it out. This is the same for both Blu-ray and iTunes, people need to get over the "DRM that extends passed the application and into the hardware!" it's already here on Macs.
I'm glad someone else remembered this bugger when it showed up in the transition to Mini-DisplayPort.

I'll stick with the getting my content for free until Steve decides to start paying for my bandwidth.
 
Didn't both vinyl and 8 track have better range than a cassette?

And what's funny is that almost every sound engineer/producer/band who worked on the original vinyl versions of the "classic albums" and even new albums fill that:

1. the sound quality on CDs are inferior to the original Masters (which is expected)

2. the sound quality on CDs are inferior to their LP counterparts.
 
Steve Jobs complaining about DRM, now that's ironic.

Seriously? Jobs has done a hell of a lot of work to get things DRM free. He's always spoke out against it, and has always made it clear DRM was the only way content producers would deal.
 
What is Apple just going to stick with a DVD drive forever? It's going to be a long time until the next best thing comes around....I think in a year or two DVD will be no longer used, maybe 3...but then what? Are they just going to completely pull out the drive and have it as a plug in drive, as they did with the Air? That'd be weird. They are really pushing this whole digital media thang. It just needs to be better quality
 
yep!
oh and when a friend asks to borrow it or ya wanna go watch at their house...ouch. you end up at hmv anyway and you get laughed at with your digital copy that is viewable on the oh so theater like mackbook or even better the iphone...

unless your friend has an AppleTV, or you bring your AppleTV and just use AirPlay to play it from your iphone, ipod, ipad in their 50 inch plasma.
 
A lot of you are saying that Apple won't puta BDR drive in their Macs because it will cut into iTunes sales.

Imagine how many new customers will buy macs because it has a BDR drive in it. Probably a lot......it could be a major selling point.

LOL, I doubt that.

I have never heard anyone say that they will or will not buy a Mac because of Blu-Ray.

What's hurting Blu-Ray is On-Demand, Premium Cable Channel, DVR's and streaming services.

One of the things that helped to propel the DVD industry was the availability of classic programming in a compact media (DVD). People were willing to purchase these titles a second time (first was VHS), because now they could view them on computers and other devices.

But now people are catching up on missing episodes online, OnDemand or they store entire seasons on their DVRs.

It's a different world. Physical Media is going away. I expect the next victim of this will be GameStop, which will soon go the way of Blockbuster.
 
This is what happens when a company want support another technology because of rivalry. We all know Jobs won't support Blu-Ray to promote iTunes. Well, I'm sorry Steve but iTunes does not offer 1080P and HD Audio. Sure some people may not need it, but it is a huge selling point and people are buying Blu-Rays.

Most of the time, Blu-rays can be had for cheaper than iTunes and it comes with a digital copy and dvd.

You have to remember that while I do agree with your short-term point on Blu-Ray, it is not :apple: way for a long-term prospect. I have been using the Mac OS platform for over 20 years now and I am not a fan-boy by any measure as I do not agree with many things that Steve Jobs does, however the point being is that iTunes is scalable while Blu-Ray is not.

Consider that yes presently that iTunes Store only has 480p and 720p content "presently" available to its customers, it does not mean that :apple: today, tomorrow or a year plus from today cannot offer 480p, 720p, 1080p and even 2160p (Ultra High Definition) content. Unlike Blu-Ray that offers 1080p today and might be capable to offer 2160p content in the future, it is a "bag-of-hurt" considering codecs have to along with DRM for region. This creates a lot of lengthly processes that slows down market adoption.

:apple: take on DRM was that if it did not include it, the music and movie along with the networks would not allow they content to be available on the iTunes Store, Steve would love for this content to be DRM-free as it has made efforts in the past and I am sure are still fighting the good fight to make the iTunes content less restrictive for its customers. Its the industry that wants DRM not :apple:.

What I really want :apple: iDevices to support is native avi and OGG support. I do not care if mp4 is better or not, I would like iOS to support other formats. Again not a deal breaker for me, however it would be nice for :apple: to include it (might be a licensing issue, I suspect).

Scalability is the key word here, this is one of the main reasons that Steve Jobs went with intel chips due to performance = power ratio for mobile computing. This is nothing new, Steve has mentioned mobile computing and Devices as key to the future and desktops being the workhorse. Blu-Ray is a closed environment at present and I do not see anything changing in the near future. DVD, CD, SVCD, VCD, Laser Discs, VHS, BetaMax are all closed formats of history and we know where they all end up. Cloud Storage, not Cloud Computing is where things are heading.

People have to change how they consume entertainment. :)
 
I'm glad someone else remembered this bugger when it showed up in the transition to Mini-DisplayPort.

I'll stick with the getting my content for free until Steve decides to start paying for my bandwidth.

Your comment makes no sense.

How do you intend to get your content for free? Are you getting it from your public library?

I don't think you're implying that you're going to pirate if over the web, since that will use bandwidth.
 
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