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a lighter weight / lighter price 14 non-Pro Max sounds really compelling. If 14 Pro Max is roughly the same materials / weight as 12/13PM.
 
Wha?

Had what wrong? There was no better alternative when Apple developed Lightning. And it became very widely used because Apple devices are very widely used. Today, there is very little reason not to use USB-C except pissing off the majority of the iPhone market that doesn't know or care about USB-C at all...which is in itself very much a reason.

Yes, but an alternative was available in 2014 when USB-C was introduced. Yet Apple has chosen to stick with Lightning to this very day.
 
Yes, but an alternative was available in 2014 when USB-C was introduced. Yet Apple has chosen to stick with Lightning to this very day.
The only reason to switch away from Lightning today would be because USB-C is fairly ubiquitous now. It took until now for that to actually be the case.
 
Any case, as they all have some thickness and a cutout for the camera bump. Taking advantage of that thickness gives the camera module more room while keeping the phone thinner overall.

I’m aware, of course, that not all cases have the same thickness, but most have at least a couple of mm, and it makes sense to use that space for the extra thickness the camera module requires.
Never once used a case though I know a handful of people that do use them. Still the phone should not be designed for the minority that use cases.
 
On the other hand, it might just not be worth updating every year.
What does "worth" it even mean? I upgrade every year because I can. Because the upgrade programs make it simple and easy to do so, and I'm not bothered by the measure of change from one iteration to the next.

It seems to me that some people who can't easily upgrade for one reason or another, especially not annually, have to carry on this public validation of their situation by looking for reasons to say its not "worth" upgrading.
 
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I really don't understand the bumps - they could easily just make the iPhone case thicker overall. Then the phone would lie flat and have room inside for a larger battery. I don't think anyone has ever said: "Ugh. My phone's battery lasts too long."
 
Never once used a case though I know a handful of people that do use them. Still the phone should not be designed for the minority that use cases.
The overwhelming majority of people on the planet use cases on their phones. And most of them would be crazy not to, because the things are easily destroyed with a small drop if they are not sufficiently protected. The phones have been designed around the fact that nearly all of them end up in cases for many, many years now.

Weird, weird take to claim that the opposite is true. It's just not.
 
Never once used a case though I know a handful of people that do use them. Still the phone should not be designed for the minority that use cases.
I think you're in the minority. 99% of people I see out and about have a case on their phone. Its fairly rare that I see a naked phone (iPhone or otherwise) and when I do, they're usually cracked.
 
While agree USB-C would be nice, how would Apple spin this?

Why would they need to? I think the number of people who are making a buy/don't buy decision based on the connector are very small. They could just say "moving to the connector we already use in our iPad line" and be done with it.

I think the bigger question is why haven't they done it yet, with the EU starting to get involved in the connector debate and all. Personally I think Apple is worried about quality control with cheap chargers and cables and having to adhere to a spec they don't control, but that's just me being a conspiracy theorist.
 
I really don't understand the bumps - they could easily just make the iPhone case thicker overall. Then the phone would lie flat and have room inside for a larger battery. I don't think anyone has ever said: "Ugh. My phone's battery lasts too long."
Lol these posts crack me up. "easily". Obviously you've already engineered this at home and can make this comment.

Do you have any concept of just how ridiculously chunky these things would be if they did that? But besides that: the weight is already out of control, and you're talking about more than doubling the current weight with that much more casing material and battery. Yes, everyone would hate it, because it would be unusable. Additional battery capacity doesn't matter on an unusable phone.
 
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I think you're in the minority. 99% of people I see out and about have a case on their phone. Its fairly rare that I see a naked phone (iPhone or otherwise) and when I do, they're usually cracked.
It is so incredibly rare to see a phone in a case and when I do see one in a case it is almost always a elderly person. Rare to see one in a case and rare to see a cracked phone. My iPhone X has never been in a case and despite falling multiple times over the years it has still to crack.
 
Why would they need to? I think the number of people who are making a buy/don't buy decision based on the connector are very small. They could just say "moving to the connector we already use in our iPad line" and be done with it.

I think the bigger question is why haven't they done it yet, with the EU starting to get involved in the connector debate and all. Personally I think Apple is worried about quality control with cheap chargers and cables and having to adhere to a spec they don't control, but that's just me being a conspiracy theorist.
1. Indeed they wouldn't need to sell it at all, they could just do it. The downside would be the iPhone market is massive and would likely be upset by a change in cable, but the hope is that USB-C has already crept into these people's lives by now.
2. No one cares what the E.U. says.
3. No conspiracy theory needed, this is a huge concern for Apple, which is why Apple's MFi certification exists. There aren't 25 different specs of cable with a lightning connector on the end, like there is with USB-C. Of course, this magically isn't a problem for Mac and iPad alike, but the iPhone market is much more varied.
 
It is so incredibly rare to see a phone in a case and when I do see one in a case it is almost always a elderly person. Rare to see one in a case and rare to see a cracked phone. My iPhone X has never been in a case and despite falling multiple times over the years it has still to crack.

I hate every phone case ever made. Even when I was in the Samsung camp I hated the cases for the Note. If I could afford (both time and money) to not have a case I would go out into the cold harsh world with a naked phone every time.
 
I would also prefer a thicker phone, so the camera module doesn't protrude as much as it does. Still, I'm thrilled that the camera quality and capabilities continue to improve and understand that physically this may require a larger module.
 
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Lol these posts crack me up. "easily". Obviously you've already engineered this at home and can make this comment.

Do you have any concept of just how ridiculously chunky these things would be if they did that? But besides that: the weight is already out of control, and you're talking about more than doubling the current weight with that much more casing material and battery. Yes, everyone would hate it, because it would be unusable. Additional battery capacity doesn't matter on an unusable phone.
Easily? Yes easily. I'm willing to bet that: 1) Apple's engineers would be up to the task 2) It's easier to design something in a thicker case than trying to make it as slim as possible.

If they simply made the case thick enough to not need a camera bump, I'd guess...they'd be as thick as the area with the camera bumps. You're being disingenuous. No one is talking about doubling the weight. iPhones had flat cameras for years and they certainly didn't cut the weight in half when the moved to the bumps.
 
I went from the 12 PM to the 13 and now the 13 Mini. The 13 Mini is without question my favorite iPhone to date. In fact I wish it was actually smaller. Like the size of the original SE.

Sad to see these iPhones get bigger and heavier. Hope they keep the Mini around and just update it like every 2 years and make it a lower priced option.
 
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Easily? Yes easily. I'm willing to bet that: 1) Apple's engineers would be up to the task 2) It's easier to design something in a thicker case than trying to make it as slim as possible.

If they simply made the case thick enough to not need a camera bump, I'd guess...they'd be as thick as the area with the camera bumps. You're being disingenuous. No one is talking about doubling the weight. iPhones had flat cameras for years and they certainly didn't cut the weight in half when the moved to the bumps.
You are the one being disingenuous. You haven't even looked at the real dimensions. You just want to be right without having to defend the indefensible comments you've made.

"no one is talking about doubling the weight"

Right, because you don't want to talk about it, because you don't realize that this is the outcome from expanding the casing by several more mm and adding battery to fill it.
 
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