Me too. Never giving that up.
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I've got one running iOS 1. It's nice for music listening. Who'd have thought?
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Former iOS Chief Scott Forstall Discusses Creating the First iPhone
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I do prefer some of the previous design elements. I think the "new" Reminders design is crap and I like the old one much better.
Scott Forstall > Tim Cook
There is no debate. Charismatic storyteller & visionary.
There is no debate. Charismatic storyteller & visionary.
Found this gem, Scott Forstall, starting 1:50:07
"There was one time a meeting we had at Apple we were trying to appraise something and Steve was arguing for some price and I was arguing for another one and he’s arguing for this higher price and I said "it’s too high! I have friends I have relatives who have very little money, this is too high", I said "you are a billionare, you don’t undersand", and Steve paused to me a said ‘I’m a multi-billionaire’ "
"There was one time a meeting we had at Apple we were trying to appraise something and Steve was arguing for some price and I was arguing for another one and he’s arguing for this higher price and I said "it’s too high! I have friends I have relatives who have very little money, this is too high", I said "you are a billionare, you don’t undersand", and Steve paused to me a said ‘I’m a multi-billionaire’ "
it's the new trend these days to talk about the video they never show or sometimes even link to.
"Let's show them how it's really done."
If that isn't as heck why I don't miss Steve, then I don't know what is.
Stupid comparison. It's like saying Belfiore > Satya. Two different persons with different skill sets and expertise. Forstall cannot run a company. Tim Cook can, which is why Jobs himself groomed him to be the next CEO. When fired, Jobs went ahead started Next. Forstall is doing nothing. I don't understand why people keeps idolizing him today.
I get that the dude was somewhat of a jerk, but it seems like that's almost par for the course of Apple's leadership.
I always thought it was a little disloyal to get rid of him so soon after Steve's passing.
I always thought it was a little disloyal to get rid of him so soon after Steve's passing.
I happen to agree with that, but as far as a product runway, he and his team had that sorted independent of his illness and death caused by refusing surgery.
Last known reality distortion field.
Because Apple desperately needs someone like him to push the company forward. There is no one at Apple today with that sharp SOB visionary focus.
I don't think being a jerk is a prerequisite for Apple's leadership. Jobs might be a jerk, but he's a real entrepreneur. He started Next after being booted off Apple. Forstall is doing nothing, so he's more like just a jerk.
Tim needed to hold Apple together after its iconic leader gone, and having a jerk that nobody wanted to work together with is not good for a company.
Who said Apple needs anyone other than cook? They seem to be doing quite well with cook at the helm in spite of the "Apple is doomed" memes for the last 6 years.
Really? No vision nor focus? The fact that Apple now has the fastest and most efficient mobile SoC on the planet is not visionary nor focus? Or do you just want Apple to make different looking phones every 6 months?
Apple maintains Jobs' vision. Go back to Jobs' car vs truck analogy. Apple is working hard towards that vision. But people wants Apple to just make cheap desktops like Acer.
Blah. Not even worth responding to the "stupid comparison" jab made by a such shortsighted troll.
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Apple has no vision, they slept and waked up to a Spotify-dominated world, and rushed to buy Beats to produce a half-baked horrible music UI. Still lagging behind in numbers and experience. Do you think the iPod visionary Steve Jobs would have let such travesty to happen?
Apple waked another day and forgot to update Mac Pro. 5 years.
Siri? Caveman AI for 7 years now, complete neglect.
And where's the revolutionary TV service? No. Vision.
And no, profit ≠ vision. Example: Microsoft.
After reading this one, and others, it is clear: This person loved Steve Jobs
Dude...he's gone, man. He's gone.
I don't think we really know enough about Scott's departure. Things are always more complex than they appear.
Yes, he was a difficult person to work with.
Yes, Maps was a mess.
Yes, he refused to apologize.
I tend to think, and this is only my opinion, and not based on any knowledge, that the maps thing was forced on Scott because Tim wanted to break free from dependence on Google.
I think Scott told him that it was a terrible idea and the Maps wasn't ready and Tim said tough ****.
When it blew up, Tim told him to apologize, and he refused, because the mistake was not his. He wasn't trying to protect himself (as someone claimed) he was just not going to say he was sorry for something that wasn't his fault and was forced on him.
Again, I don't have anything to back this up, but sometimes you need someone who is a pain in the *** to not slip into mediocrity. And I think there are too many "Yes Men" at Apple now. We need an SOB like Scott to stand up for what's right and not for what makes the most profit in the short term.
Yes, he was a difficult person to work with.
Yes, Maps was a mess.
Yes, he refused to apologize.
I tend to think, and this is only my opinion, and not based on any knowledge, that the maps thing was forced on Scott because Tim wanted to break free from dependence on Google.
I think Scott told him that it was a terrible idea and the Maps wasn't ready and Tim said tough ****.
When it blew up, Tim told him to apologize, and he refused, because the mistake was not his. He wasn't trying to protect himself (as someone claimed) he was just not going to say he was sorry for something that wasn't his fault and was forced on him.
Again, I don't have anything to back this up, but sometimes you need someone who is a pain in the *** to not slip into mediocrity. And I think there are too many "Yes Men" at Apple now. We need an SOB like Scott to stand up for what's right and not for what makes the most profit in the short term.
While you might think that makes you sound "edgy and a rebel," it also presents many problems:
- You are highly vulnerable to security flaws that were patched in later OS versions.
- Many of the apps in the App Store won't run on iOS 6 or lower. Definitely not the advanced software.
- You can't get a new iPhone model or it will have upgraded software that can't officially be downgraded.
- You might find yourself stuck if your phone ever has a hardware problem.
- You can't use iCloud Drive if you have space issues.
Perhaps you can list the advantages of sticking with that version? I can't imagine those are devices that you use on a regular primary iOS device.
IIRC, there was a post here about a year back (maybe less?) where they interviewed someone on the exec board and brought up the discussion about Apple maps debacle.
The person admitted that they handled it like garbage and that they essentially shoved Forestall and a very small team into a silo, and gave them no support from the rest of the company, then when it didn't live up to expectations, instead of Tim Cook taking responsibility for how the project was managed that way, he demanded the apology and fired him.
Sounds very VERY much like Tim Cook was setting Forestall up for failure if that's true, and that Cook wanted Forestall out and was just looking for any excuse. Apple Maps failure was just too good an opportunity
To add...
Scott Forstall
Stubborn? Check.
Demanding? Check.
Intelligent? Check
While working at Disney a few years back, they gave the supervisors in my area a "leadership" test. I was the only one that fell into the "CEO Leadership" style, based on my survey. It meant that I was a real, big jerk
. Scott Forstall is often outcasted for being...well...a jerk. Steve Jobs? Jerk too. Walt Disney? Mega jerk. Donald Trump? Ok not a good example. You get the point Being the CEO of a company doesn't mean you have to be friends with your co-workers, in fact, most CEOs are sociopaths. I wouldn't say I don't care about other people at my job, I do tremendously, I just have a very focused viewpoint of how things should be done and I want them done correctly, the first time. I'm very passionate. People with this type of leadership style, which seems to fit the bill for Forstall, can be quite difficult to deal with. Would I want to work for myself? Probably not. It's not easy working with perfectionists, but hey, we get the job done.
At the end of the day, production talks. The iPhone is arguably the best consumer device ever produced. Forstall clearly has the talent to create and release new, innovative products.
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