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Honestly, the Palm Pre is going DOWN! LOL! From the looks of it, the only thing the iPhone might not have is a physical keyboard!

+1

If the range of new iPhones is going to be as wide as it appears, it's game over for Pre even before its released.

Chapter 11 time for Palm.
 
And the fine print says (paraphrasing), not actual product image. ;)

Yeah, realized that afterwards. :p

But idk... the "specifications" look boring on that. 2mp, 4gb..etc. *yawn* not a 3rd gen phone.

Hopefully the "higher-up" iPhones will look better.

That is, of course, if any of this is true.
 
A 1st gen iPhone was the best in it's day but after the release of a better iPhone is just an older model, a brand new iPhone with hardware made deliberately less powerful than it's higher spec brother is crippled.

It would dilute the line by reducing the perceived value of the iPhone brand.

If fararri sold a new model with an old 90's engine in it to reduce costs and sold it for £20k, sure they'd shift a load of units but all the people who bought a farrari for £70k wouldn't feel as smug if their poorer chav neighbour was also driving a farrari... Farrari would go bust because the perceived value of their brand would be diluted... People buy apple for the same reason people buy farraris... Each new model is perceived to be the best money can buy at that time...

Well, I don't think someone who can't even spell FERRARI should be going on and on about brand dilution.

The only people that seem concerned about brand dilution are the tweens, teens and twenty something who think that an iPhone is some kind of status symbol.

You guys need to appreciate that the iPhone is a gateway drug for Apple. It is almost certainly driving increased market share of other Apple products like Macs, Apple TV, etc. In fact, two of my friends now have Macs, and I have a Mac simply due to the iPhone being far better than any other Smart Phone any of us have owned.

Getting iPhones with OS X in more peoples hands would be a BIG WIN for Apple, as it would likely result in more sales of other Apple products, and increasing OS X market share in the laptop/desktop/TV spaces.
 
Yeah, realized that afterwards. :p

But idk... the "specifications" look boring on that. 2mp, 4gb..etc. *yawn* not a 3rd gen phone.

Hopefully the "higher-up" iPhones will look better.

That is, of course, if any of this is true.

That's just the 4GB model for 99 bucks. I'm sure the 199/299/399 ones will have better spec. We all know its not going to have a 2.0MP camera on the higher-up models. 4GB is probably the basic one.
 
This is definitely going to happen.

via daring fireball via Newsweek:
If that’s so, then why is the Mac market share, even after Apple’s recent revival, sputtering at a measly 5 percent? Jobs has a theory about that, too. Once a company devises a great product, he says, it has a monopoly in that realm, and concentrates less on innovation than protecting its turf. “The Mac user interface was a 10-year monopoly,” says Jobs. “Who ended up running the company? Sales guys. At the critical juncture in the late ’80s, when they should have gone for market share, they went for profits. They made obscene profits for several years. And their products became mediocre. And then their monopoly ended with Windows 95. They behaved like a monopoly, and it came back to bite them, which always happens.”

Apple will definitely try to go for market share by releasing a low end iPhone. No question.
 
+1

If the range of new iPhones is going to be as wide as it appears, it's game over for Pre even before its released.

Chapter 11 time for Palm.

And you can bet that Apple will leak one more BIG detail of the new iPhone right before the Pre goes on sale to prompt buyers to wait on the iPhone.
 
And you can bet that Apple will leak one more BIG detail of the new iPhone right before the Pre goes on sale to prompt buys to wait on the iPhone.

;) Apple are marketing masters. I've already stopped considering any other phone I may have been thinking about when I read todays news about the iPhone.

So with video calling, there must be a front facing camera on the iPhone... :eek:
 
"best" can mean many different things: smallest? greatest storage? fastest processor? a compromise that combines relatively high achievement in all those categories? oh--and software, which could be ubiquitous.

how else explain the Shuffle?

how else explain why apple doesn't simply make the "best" computer, and market that single model?

There's more to it than that. No one can predict what'll be announced on the 8th, but i don't see logic supporting the idea that apple can't deviate from a single iPhone formulation.

That's a fair point.
 
so for all its years apple accommodated scalable apps, but in the iPhone SDK didn't? Is that a huge programming challenge? What if a higher-density (resolution) screen went on a smaller form-factor phone: the screen could have smaller physical dimensions but the same pixel dimensions?

I think it is much less a problem of display scalability, and more a problem of touch UI and hardware performance. That virtual keyboard is as PHYSICALLY small as it can be. If there is a smaller form factor iPhone, the apps will have to behave differently on either platform. That is more work for developers.

In a smaller iPhone, the processor & battery will undoubtedly suffer performance decreases.
This is much harder to get around than simple UI design. Developers would have to make low performance apps that run on both, or high performance apps that work only on the standard iPhone.

I think its very unlikely that Apple would introduce this much confusion into their very successful system. It's not unthinkable however, this is the company that up and switched their core processing architecture in one fell swoop.
 
most iphone users make over 100k? um thats a very poor assessment. if that were true NOT MANY people would even own the iphone in the first place seeing how a majority of america does NOT make that much money. to say that the only ppl who use iphones are rich ppl is a pretty ignorant, if not conceited (despite the fact that it is), way of thinking.

Hello Macrumors newbie!

While you may find a statement of fact conceited (it's impossible, as facts do not have emotions), it is generally true. I don't know what the dividing line is in terms of income, where most iPhone owners earn above that line, but yes, most iPhone owners are wealthy. Sorry!
 
As long as the 4GB iPhone nano allows me to make calls, take pictures, play music & tethers to the forthcoming Mac tablet/netbook for Internet access, I would be good to go...

As would I. In fact, when the Mac Netbook is released, we'll all have forgotten about the paltry 4GB iPhone Nano, basking instead in a Netbook Nirvana:

"...The silence ground my soul keen like a spear.
My bare thought, whetted as a sword, cut sheer
Through time and life and flesh and death, to clear
My way unto Netbook Nirvana...

...O Suns, O Rains, O Day and Night, O Chance,
O Time besprent with seven-hued circumstance,
I float above ye all into the trance
That draws me nigh to Netbook Nirvana."

With apologies to:
Sidney Lanier

:apple:
 
I really apple do NOT do this. With different models, although the 4GB model can be cheaper, or around the same price as th current iphone 3G 8GB model, this means they would most certainly put the 16GB or so called 32GB at a much less affordable price. Meaning customers who want to upgrade but don't want to spend anymore then they currently have to will get no video camera and no compass addition etc. It wouldn't be worth upgrading. I'm strongly against this this. We will have to see...
 
iPhone 4, 8, 16 and 32 gig....

This is really quite interesting, especially from the UK mobile market perspective. The iPhone seems to be more expensive in the US on AT&T, whereas in the UK the 3G version has been free on with a good contract of 18 months. We also have a big culture of "pay as you go" mobile phones. You buy the hardware out right, then pay for "top ups" as and when you need it. O2 offer a pay as you go tariff which works out to around £18 per month for around 150 minutes and 300 texts and unlimited data. The £18 is without unlimited free wi-fi, but that can be added for another £7.50 per month. To get this you need either a second hand iPhone, or purchase a pay as you go version for £349.

Cue WWDC 2009:

iPhone Nano 4 gig and 8 gig. Based on the form factor of the original iPhone, except available in colours a la the iPod Nano. possibly with the camera bumped to 3.2 mega pixels. Edge connectivity, no GPS no Compass etc. The people who this would be marketed at, especially in the UK would not be too bothered about the 4gig or 8gig, they will want some of the more basic features that the iPhone can offer without wanting to shell out £350. These will be available pay as you go for between £100 and £200. 3.0 software would be available and work on this one.

iPhone 3rd Generation, matt finish back, available black or white in 16 gig or 32gig. This version has all the hardware bells and whistles.

How about three wild suggestions:

iPhone - 4 gig & 8 gig
MacPhone Pro - 16 gig & 32 gig

The Mac Tablet functions in conjunction with and iPhone that slides or connects into it, possibly in a wireless fashion but acts as a remote display rather than a fully functional unit...
 
Makes Sense

I had a feeling something like this was going to happen when MacRumors had the story a couple of months ago about how Apple increased the amount of 8gb flash chips they were buying and how they became the #1 buyer in the world of them.... it didn't make sense that they would do that and then all of a sudden cut off the 8gb iphone for the upcoming 16 and 32 gb in the new model. That, as well as the fact that Apple wants the hit the $100 and below market. The 4gb and 8 gb would be perfect for that if the next 16 and 32 took the spots of the current 8 and 16.

Smart move for Apple. They're going to kill the smartphone market all over again.
 
It makes sense. 4GB model will probably be a hopped up iPod touch with a phone. 8GB model will probably be a higher capacity version of that.

Then the 16GB and 32GB iPhones will be the "Pro" versions that have all the bells and whistles.
 
This is definitely going to happen.

via daring fireball via Newsweek:


Apple will definitely try to go for market share by releasing a low end iPhone. No question.

This is absolutely a GREAT article that explains exactly why the most likely thing for Apple do is NOT protect their turf with the high end iPhone but to increase the product family to bring more users in at the entry level (original iPhone features) while offering great new features and functionality for those users wanting the best technology they have to offer.

http://daringfireball.net/2009/05/verizon_iphone_rumors
 
Well, I don't think someone who can't even spell FERRARI should be going on and on about brand dilution.

LOL ;)

The only people that seem concerned about brand dilution are the tweens, teens and twenty something who think that an iPhone is some kind of status symbol.

No offense, but I think this is quite a naive statement.

Getting iPhones with OS X in more peoples hands would be a BIG WIN for Apple, as it would likely result in more sales of other Apple products, and increasing OS X market share in the laptop/desktop/TV spaces.

Most people I know who have iPhones couldn't care less about apple and have never heard of OSX, and in fact are not really interested in computers they just like the iPhone because it's a cool phone.
 
so will the 4, 8, 16 & 32gb will still be with AT&T in the US?
I'll understand that china will have a cdma version but I still wounded will AT&T still have exclusive rights to the iPhone (I hope so)
 
scale away

The iPhone will scale images with a pinch... yet everyone is arguing "apps are not designed to scale up or down." Scaling down is such a simple task for the iPhone to do with a simple software upgrade, and the new models will have different hardware that may make this easier. They could definitley go smaller with very little hassle.
I can't speak to upscaling. Going to a higher resolution would get grainy, but scaling down... come on!

My beef would be that some apps already are hard enough at the current screen size. Like Bejewled. Some apps aren't big finger friendly.

I can buy into a 4g for China or as a GoPhone. There was a very probable rumor a month or so ago (sorry can't find link) about AT&T training documents on a prepaid iPhone. But I can't imagine they'd sell it cheap without a contract if it is true.

I guess i was looking for an explanation, rather than just a reiteration of your position. I'm really just trying to learn.



so for all its years apple accommodated scalable apps, but intro'd the iPhone SDK without the ability to scale up to larger screens? and it also lacks the ability to scale to smaller screens? Is that a huge programming challenge? Do any of the "smart phones" have scalable windows, if that's the word? What if a higher-density (resolution) screen went on a smaller form-factor phone: the screen could have smaller physical dimensions but the same pixel dimensions? I've read the new OLED screens are packing in higher density. And i guess--sorry for all the questions about screens, but i'm eager to learn--i guess a new OLED screen or any screen with HD resolution, like the upcoming ZuneHD, simply isn't possible o an iPhone unless all the apps are rewritten, or apps that aren't rewritten being "broken"? Lastly (whew!): I guess a new iPhone OS, like 3.0, couldn't introduce scaling, the ability to scale existing apps to different size screens?

I'm looking for a lecture on screens, i guess, and their relationship to software.

Thanks all.
 
I would be one to think that product differentiation is exactly what they would not want to do, and personally believe this to be false. I see no way that they will be doing anything except adding a wider range of capacities.

In before tallest skil!
 
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