lol, it's not the best or enjoyable xD, but it should be enjoyable! Will wait a week or two, i hope i get used to it, cause everything else is really great.
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lol, it's not the best or enjoyable xD, but it should be enjoyable! Will wait a week or two, i hope i get used to it, cause everything else is really great.
You can get used to it. Some people prefer it
I never adjusted to it myself, I find even these latest ones too loud
I have an MBP 15 2015, so it's my first time with the butterfly keyboard, sound doesn't bother me that much, but it feels kinda tiresome typing on it.
The typing experience is subpar compared to the older ones, imo
I depend on mostly typing so I reverted to my older retina late 2013 MBP, no force touch trackpad unfortunately but for my uses its the same user experience as the newer computers (i've owned newer butterfly devices)
In terms of fatigue, that is likely because there is less travel and you're used to hitting a key with more force - that will take time, as you re-educate your muscles to not hit the keyboard as hard. That fatigue should go away over time
Stick with it, would be my suggestion. It all depends on how bothersome it ends up being. Ive been a huge fan of going back to the older keyboard, and I have not needed any more performance than I am using right now, but thats for my uses and needs.
Yeah, i will keep it for few weeks, and see how it feels then, maybe i really just need to get used to it, well, at least i hope so. If not, well, i will just go back, not that hard for me, i mean, people should enjoy their machines, no reason to stick with something you are not happy with it
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I have. I now prefer it to the chicklet keyboard. I truly hated Gen 1, it was worse than typing on glass. Gen 2 is actually very usable, and I reach for my 2017 rMB rather than my 2015 rMBP when I want to type something. Gen 3 on the rMBA I'm using seems similar to Gen 2 - maybe a little quieter and a little less clicky. The old chicklet kb feels mushy to me now. YMMV.
At least yours stroked. I had the opposite problem where a few keys I had to hit 2, 3 or more times to get them to register a stroke.
In general I would say the majority prefers the typing experience on new keyboards, albeit with some learning curve.
But these are two completely separate issues. Typing experience is one thing, overly subjective. An input device, failing in magnitudes never before heard of, rendering a €3000 laptop inoperable, pending a lengthy service in objectively unacceptable.
I find it interesting, that media isn't reporting more about this. A few more articles on Macrumors and other pages and people would first of all start noticing these problems and attributing them to a hardware failure (and not their own typing mistakes) and second of all laying off upgrades for their computers into the future.
You know, for when Apple re-reinvents the keyboard.
But these are two completely separate issues. Typing experience is one thing, overly subjective. An input device, failing in magnitudes never before heard of, rendering a €3000 laptop inoperable, pending a lengthy service in objectively unacceptable.
I find it interesting, that media isn't reporting more about this. A few more articles on Macrumors and other pages and people would first of all start noticing these problems and attributing them to a hardware failure (and not their own typing mistakes) and second of all laying off upgrades for their computers into the future.
You know, for when Apple re-reinvents the keyboard.
Have you seen all the Apple advertising of late? "Media" outlets are captured by their corporate conglomerates. Apple's ad dollars are more important than reporting on the disastrous "butterfly" keyboard.
Trading your journalist independence for a few invitations to Apple events and a few freebies...
Yes, I agree with you, but I do not understand it.
Yes, I agree with you, but I do not understand it.
Not sure how accurate this is https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/apple-macbook-keyboard-failure-rate but 11% is quite a scary number. If Gen 3 had actually fixed the issues, it would have alleviate all my concerns about buying one (even with the occasional KP and the TouchBar),
We're already seeing reports of failed 3rd gen keyboards, also from notable individuals like BTT developer Andreas Hegenberg.
11% is the (alleged) return rate. There might (much) more in the wild, having been quoted €700+ for services (I know a couple of people, who just lived with this until Apple extended warranty).
Additionally iFixIt did a teardown and concluded that leaky butterfly condom only postpones the inevitable - a rogue dust speck rubbing the gentle mechanism the wrong way.
11% is the (alleged) return rate. There might (much) more in the wild, having been quoted €700+ for services (I know a couple of people, who just lived with this until Apple extended warranty).
Additionally iFixIt did a teardown and concluded that leaky butterfly condom only postpones the inevitable - a rogue dust speck rubbing the gentle mechanism the wrong way.
They replace the topcase. So aluminum chassis around the keyboard, battery, trackpad and speakers. Oh, and keyboard of course.
What processor? No, the logic board stays put, so does your data.
Basically in terms of service Apple's laptops consist of three parts. Topcase, logic board (proc, RAM, SSD, graphics) and display. These can be replaced separately. Eveything else is soldered or glued together.
Basically in terms of service Apple's laptops consist of three parts. Topcase, logic board (proc, RAM, SSD, graphics) and display. These can be replaced separately. Eveything else is soldered or glued together.
Ah alright gotcha, I thought they would replace the logic board too.
Nice to get a new batter in this deal thou mine is already at 90%
lol this was one of my pros for the MacBook Pro : "I'll get a new battery when my keyboard will fail".
But this keyboard definitely prevents me from buying it, even with gen3...
But this keyboard definitely prevents me from buying it, even with gen3...
As much as I'd love to be able to due to potential for failure on newer MBP's, I'm someone that'll never be able to escape macOS because I just love it. With the recent trajectory of issues which have occurred relating to the MacBook Pro (2016, 2017, 2018), the only thing that'll truly give piece of mind is having a backup device whenever something inevitably goes awry with my MBP.
Unfortunately I think I need to upgrade my piece of mind as using my rMB 2016 for 2 weeks as my backup device for work just did not cut it. Lol. Maybe upgrading to a new Air would make it all better.
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This is exactly my standpoint also. I'm contemplating getting a 2017 rMB on top of 2018 15 MBP. But it feels like Stockholm Syndrome...
I got a kick when I read Stockholm Syndrome earlier in the the thread lol. You're not wrong.
I just can't deal with the rMB processor and RAM configuration. I'm sure the 2017 machines run a lot better than my maxed 2016 rMB due to 16GB RAM and a processor bump, but all I know is my rMB 2016 just could not handle my workflow. Just having 6-7 windows open in Microsoft Outlook (with a few other open apps) made it terribly slow. You expect to have to be patient with a backup device, but it was almost unusable in a number of scenarios.
Personally having done the dance, I think I'd stay away from the rMB primarily due to the one-port USB-C configuration. While I have rarely required using a second port (even when using the Apple USB-C multiport adapter), it has happened a number of times and it really makes it feel more like a toy than a real machine. They could at least make it Thunderbolt 3, but at this point it looks like Apple will be abandoning the rMB and just keep the Air around, which is an overall better machine.
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On that note, I'm away right now and typing on my partners 2016 nTB...which still has a half stuck space bar.
I've been too busy and her lacking the time to go deal with it at a store and be without her computer...her solution is using it mostly docked with an external Magic Keyboard.
I'll bet "in the wild" there are loads of keyboard issues that aren't showing up anywhere in Apple's system of tracking it.
I just looked at this again and the poster of that video says that she replaced that machine with another new MBA and it too has the same issue with the 'e'!
Mine have all started with the 'e' key as well. What is the deal and how can they not fix this. I see more class action lawsuits headed their way!