Gonna be a bust?

[Tanegashima]

You have to understand, when you hear the specs, the phone is very underwhelming. Especially compared to phones like the LG G3 (4k screen resolution) and Note 4, BUT, when you SEE it all in action, how well everything works together, how good the screen looks, the camera, just everything, it's a huge difference from reading specs on a piece of paper.

1. The G3 doesn't have 4K, has qHD (4x 720p)

2. The Note 4, has qHD too, but not very true qHD... In fact, it has less sub-pixels than the iPhone 6+. The Note 4 uses pentille (2 colors per pixel), the iPhone uses full RGB (3), you can calculate the pixels yourself.

3. The G3 may have more resolution, but that's about it, and you won't see it, because it's way beyond human eye resolution... the iPhone 6/6+ has double the contrast of the G3.

 

[scott99]

1. The G3 doesn't have 4K, has qHD (4x 720p)

2. The Note 4, has qHD too, but not very true qHD... In fact, it has less sub-pixels than the iPhone 6+. The Note 4 uses pentille (2 colors per pixel), the iPhone uses full RGB (3), you can calculate the pixels yourself.

3. The G3 may have more resolution, but that's about it, and you won't see it, because it's way beyond human eye resolution... the iPhone 6/6+ has double the contrast of the G3.

Thanks for the clarification. Funny thing is, I think the iPhone 6 screen is made by LG.

 

[UltimateSyn]

Because the iPhone is SUCH a big phone, isn't it?

Huge!

Try wearing gym shorts with a 6 Plus in your pocket sometime.

 

[Tanegashima]

Try wearing gym shorts with a 6 Plus in your pocket sometime.

That was your option.

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Thanks for the clarification. Funny thing is, I think the iPhone 6 screen is made by LG.

Doesn't matter, because Apple took an already good LCD, and optimized the polarizer, the backlight, etc... to make it as good as it can be...

LG G2 screen was batter than the G3, the only thing the G3 is better is in the resolution, which is stupid.

 

[UltimateSyn]

That was your option.

No doubt it was, but it is a large phone. And it would be convenient if I didn't need to always have it with me, if the Apple Watch could do all the core tasks by itself.

 

[Night Spring]

No doubt it was, but it is a large phone. And it would be convenient if I didn't need to always have it with me, if the Apple Watch could do all the core tasks by itself.

Exactly. In his interview with Charlie Rose, Tim Cook said that there are some functions the watch will do independently of the iPhone, like play music and count steps. I don't remember if he mentioned heart rate monitoring, but I wouldn't be surprised if it could do that without the iPhone.

 

[cmChimera]

Exactly. In his interview with Charlie Rose, Tim Cook said that there are some functions the watch will do independently of the iPhone, like play music and count steps. I don't remember if he mentioned heart rate monitoring, but I wouldn't be surprised if it could do that without the iPhone.

It should be able to monitor your heart rate fine since the sensor is on the watch itself. I'm not sure if it will report the results to the iPhone however if the phone is out of range. I'm sure it has to have some sort of cache though it case it gets disconnected. Once it reconnects it will put results into the iPhone. That's just my guess though.

 

[Piggie]

Here's a fundamental question.....

Can the Apple watch, perform it's primary function of being a watch, and accurately tell you the time without needing to be near an iPhone for a long period of time?

You could not get a most fundamental thing any watch needs to be able to do as that's the main reason the device exists!

 

[fousfous]

Here's a fundamental question.....

Can the Apple watch, perform it's primary function of being a watch, and accurately tell you the time without needing to be near an iPhone for a long period of time?

You could not get a most fundamental thing any watch needs to be able to do as that's the main reason the device exists!

Y es of cours you will have the time on it, that's logical.

 

[Piggie]

Y es of cours you will have the time on it, that's logical.

Accurate time?
For how long?

Apple BOASTED about how amazingly accurate the watch was for telling you the time, but I believe that's only because it needs to sync to the iPhone to get the time off the internet.

If that IS the case, it's pretty sad for a watch.

I'd hope it was pretty dam accurate on it's own, and only needed that to very very fine tune itself once in a while.

 

[Rogifan]

If you turn wifi off on your iPad or iPod touch does the clock get less accurate?

 

[Night Spring]

Accurate time?
For how long?

Apple BOASTED about how amazingly accurate the watch was for telling you the time, but I believe that's only because it needs to sync to the iPhone to get the time off the internet.

If that IS the case, it's pretty sad for a watch.

I'd hope it was pretty dam accurate on it's own, and only needed that to very very fine tune itself once in a while.

I think it'd be accurate enough, even without checking with the Internet. I mean, who needs time to be accurate beyond seconds? It's not like I can tell the difference if the watch is a tenth of a second off. And if you are going to be offline long enough for the sub-seconds to add up to make a noticeable difference -- why would you want an Apple Watch in the first place? The point of the device is it's an Internet connected watch. If you aren't going to be connecting to the Internet, just use a regular watch to tell time.

The question, though, is what happens when the battery runs out. Will it have some sort of memory where it stores the time info, or will it have to get the time from the Internet when it turns back on?

 

[fousfous]

Accurate time?
For how long?

Apple BOASTED about how amazingly accurate the watch was for telling you the time, but I believe that's only because it needs to sync to the iPhone to get the time off the internet.

If that IS the case, it's pretty sad for a watch.

I'd hope it was pretty dam accurate on it's own, and only needed that to very very fine tune itself once in a while.

Why do you think that the Watch will be no accurate?
That's more precise than a mechanical watch for sur, with a quartz and a CPU to give the time.

 

[Piggie]

If you turn wifi off on your iPad or iPod touch does the clock get less accurate?

I have no idea, never tried it.

However, I think you are missing a key aspect here.

iPad's and iPhones are sold as phones/computing devices that, just happen to display the time. They are not sold as timepieces.

This is the Apple Watch.

"WATCH" Look, the clue is in the name!

As you insist on calling it a watch, and people get annoyed when others call it something else, a watches main function for existing is to tell the time.

I would therefore expect ANY device that is called a WATCH to be more accurate than some other electrical appliance that just happens to have a clock on it.

I'd not use my PC, Microwave, Oven, Car etc etc as accurate time keeping devices. They have clocks as it's handy for them to, for the time and timer functions.
However I would not expect time accuracy to of been at the top of the list of most important functions for those and many other devices.

For a "WATCH" Then yes, as that is THE primary function of any device called that I would expect it would be taken more seriously.

Personally, I would hope and expect the Apple "Watch" to be at least as accurate as any other "watch" in it's price range.

 

[Rogifan]

I have no idea, never tried it.

However, I think you are missing a key aspect here.

iPad's and iPhones are sold as phones/computing devices that, just happen to display the time. They are not sold as timepieces.

This is the Apple Watch.

"WATCH" Look, the clue is in the name!

As you insist on calling it a watch, and people get annoyed when others call it something else, a watches main function for existing is to tell the time.

I would therefore expect ANY device that is called a WATCH to be more accurate than some other electrical appliance that just happens to have a clock on it.

I'd not use my PC, Microwave, Oven, Car etc etc as accurate time keeping devices. They have clocks as it's handy for them to, for the time and timer functions.
However I would not expect time accuracy to of been at the top of the list of most important functions for those and many other devices.

For a "WATCH" Then yes, as that is THE primary function of any device called that I would expect it would be taken more seriously.

Personally, I would hope and expect the Apple "Watch" to be at least as accurate as any other "watch" in it's price range.

Well I've never had an issue with my phone or iPad displaying incorrect time. I'm just going to take a wild guess that Apple won't be releasing a watch that can't accurately keep time. Especially when timekeeping is one of the features they've focused on. 200+ engineers from Apple have been working on this product for 3+ years. Let's give them some benefit of the doubt that they know what the heck they're doing.

 

[Piggie]

Well I've never had an issue with my phone or iPad displaying incorrect time. I'm just going to take a wild guess that Apple won't be releasing a watch that can't accurately keep time. Especially when timekeeping is one of the features they've focused on. 200+ engineers from Apple have been working on this product for 3+ years. Let's give them some benefit of the doubt that they know what the heck they're doing.

Please, Apple make cock ups like everyone else.

Actually, given their Total and utter control over software AND hardware, I'd say they do pretty badly when it comes to cock ups.

God knows how they would manage if their software had to run on tens of millions of hardware permutations like other people's software does.

We can be sure there will be problems with the Watch that will need updates to get fixed.

We can probably be sure that the next watch will fix hardware issues the 1st model will have.

That's just how things are.

Probably by version 3 or 4, it will probably "be there" so to speak, then models after that will be the tweaking and fiddling models.

Just a shame we can't all hibernate and wake up on the day of Watch v5 launch

 

[Night Spring]

Please, Apple make cock ups like everyone else.

Huh? We were talking about a very basic function, that is, keeping time. How did you jump from that to cock ups in general?

Yes, every complex system will have bugs. That doesn't mean that something as basic as keeping time can't be done.

 

[Piggie]

Huh? We were talking about a very basic function, that is, keeping time. How did you jump from that to cock ups in general?

Yes, every complex system will have bugs. That doesn't mean that something as basic as keeping time can't be done.

It was just the implication that "of course it will be right"

200 employees, 3 years etc etc......

If it were not for Tim Cook (or what it that idiot Ive - From the same country as me I'm sorry to say) that made GREAT PLAY about the stunning, no, unbelievable accuracy of the watch, as the most accurate watch on the planet (almost)
Then the truth came out, it's only because its syncing via the iPhone via the Internet.

Which is verging on a lie, wrapped up in amazing from Apple talk that Ive just can't stop doing.

I'm sure it will be as accurate, left to it's own devices as any other watch in it's price range.

I sure hope so anyway, and given it's Apple's own custom hardware, I would expect it to be FAR better at keeping the time, when left on it's own than some cheap quartz watch for a fraction of the price.

 

[Rogifan]

It was just the implication that "of course it will be right"

200 employees, 3 years etc etc......

If it were not for Tim Cook (or what it that idiot Ive - From the same country as me I'm sorry to say) that made GREAT PLAY about the stunning, no, unbelievable accuracy of the watch, as the most accurate watch on the planet (almost)
Then the truth came out, it's only because its syncing via the iPhone via the Internet.

Which is verging on a lie, wrapped up in amazing from Apple talk that Ive just can't stop doing.

I'm sure it will be as accurate, left to it's own devices as any other watch in it's price range.

I sure hope so anyway, and given it's Apple's own custom hardware, I would expect it to be FAR better at keeping the time, when left on it's own than some cheap quartz watch for a fraction of the price.

I have no idea what you're talking about. And why are you calling people idiots?

 

[Night Spring]

If it were not for Tim Cook (or what it that idiot Ive - From the same country as me I'm sorry to say) that made GREAT PLAY about the stunning, no, unbelievable accuracy of the watch, as the most accurate watch on the planet (almost)

I agree! I rolled my eyes at that point in the keynote -- like I said, who cares if the watch is *THAT* accurate? Perhaps some nuclear scientists? But on the whole, a watch is fine if it keeps time to within 1 second. I once had an inexpensive mechanical watch that lost maybe about a minute a month, I just adjusted it once about every half a year. And since the Apple watch can get the correct time from the Internet, what is the point?

I usually don't like it when people say "Steve Jobs would have / have not done X," but this makes me wonder what he would have done. Would he have also geeked out over how accurate they could get the watch to be, or would he have been practical and said, "No need, it can always get the time from the Internet?" I can see him going either way...

 

[Piggie]

I have no idea what you're talking about. And why are you calling people idiots?

Sorry, I know I should keep things short so as not to confuse you

Apples says:


Timekeeping
Make the most of time.
Apple Watch is first and foremost an incredibly accurate timepiece.

Which sounds great.
And what you would expect.
A Incredibly accurate timepiece.


Then, gives the game away by later saying:

An incredibly precise timepiece.

High-quality watches have long been defined by their ability to keep unfailingly accurate time, and Apple Watch is no exception. It uses multiple technologies in conjunction with your iPhone to keep time within 50 milliseconds of the definitive global time standard


So, I do hope it's not only accurate and keeps "incredibly precise" time, only when it's using the Internet, via your iPhone to keep itself on track.

I hope it's "incredibly precise", at least as good as the best non smart watches out there, without resorting to tricks to correct errors.

 

[Rogifan]

Huh? We were talking about a very basic function, that is, keeping time. How did you jump from that to cock ups in general?

Yes, every complex system will have bugs. That doesn't mean that something as basic as keeping time can't be done.

Apple has been very clear and very upfront that this device is designed to work with iPhone. In the fitness portion of the Watch video Jony Ive specifically says "using the GPS and WiFi FROM YOUR iPHONE". At the same event Tim Cook said the Watch REQUIRES an iPhone because they were designed to work together. I have no doubt once it gets closer to launch Apple will be even more specific about what the watch can/cannot do with/without an iPhone. The last thing Apple wants is people returning the device because they thought it could do something it can't.

As far as keeping time do we know if the phone is required for the Watch's time to be as accurate as Apple says? That's why I asked the question about when you turn wifi off on an iPad or iPod touch. Even if the time is slightly less accurate without the iPhone (which no one knows at this point), Apple has never sold this as a stand alone device so I'm not sure what the issue is. The watch will still tell time if you're in a meeting and your phone is at your desk on another floor.

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I agree! I rolled my eyes at that point in the keynote -- like I said, who cares if the watch is *THAT* accurate? Perhaps some nuclear scientists? But on the whole, a watch is fine if it keeps time to within 1 second. I once had an inexpensive mechanical watch that lost maybe about a minute a month, I just adjusted it once about every half a year. And since the Apple watch can get the correct time from the Internet, what is the point?

I usually don't like it when people say "Steve Jobs would have / have not done X," but this makes me wonder what he would have done. Would he have also geeked out over how accurate they could get the watch to be, or would he have been practical and said, "No need, it can always get the time from the Internet?" I can see him going either way...

It's marketing. Sometimes Apple goes overboard as do other companies. But I doubt that many people watched the keynote or hang out on Apple's website. So unless they start running ads how accurate it keeps time I don't see what the big deal is.

 

[Knowimagination]

Sorry, I know I should keep things short so as not to confuse you

Apples says:


Timekeeping
Make the most of time.
Apple Watch is first and foremost an incredibly accurate timepiece.

Which sounds great.
And what you would expect.
A Incredibly accurate timepiece.


Then, gives the game away by later saying:

An incredibly precise timepiece.

High-quality watches have long been defined by their ability to keep unfailingly accurate time, and Apple Watch is no exception. It uses multiple technologies in conjunction with your iPhone to keep time within 50 milliseconds of the definitive global time standard


So, I do hope it's not only accurate and keeps "incredibly precise" time, only when it's using the Internet, via your iPhone to keep itself on track.

I hope it's "incredibly precise", at least as good as the best non smart watches out there, without resorting to tricks to correct errors.

It must get really tiring trying to come up with more stuff to complain about all the time.

The apple watch is not built primarily as a time keeping device, it is a smart watch not just a watch.

 

[Tycho24]

Sorry, I know I should keep things short so as not to confuse you

Apples says:


Timekeeping
Make the most of time.
Apple Watch is first and foremost an incredibly accurate timepiece.

Which sounds great.
And what you would expect.
A Incredibly accurate timepiece.


Then, gives the game away by later saying:

An incredibly precise timepiece.

High-quality watches have long been defined by their ability to keep unfailingly accurate time, and Apple Watch is no exception. It uses multiple technologies in conjunction with your iPhone to keep time within 50 milliseconds of the definitive global time standard


So, I do hope it's not only accurate and keeps "incredibly precise" time, only when it's using the Internet, via your iPhone to keep itself on track.

I hope it's "incredibly precise", at least as good as the best non smart watches out there, without resorting to tricks to correct errors.

Yep....
I bet you're totally right!
I bet if it loses connectivity to your phone for even a split second, the watch immediately displays the date as 400 B.C. & deletes all of your alarms. Now would be the PERFECT time to panic. Literally none of us will have the faintest idea what time it is the moment this product arrives!

/heaping pile of sarcasm

Calm down.
You have nothing in your life you're timing to the millisecond...
You are simply desperate to attack Apple. It's a bit unnerving.

 

[kaielement]

I have a feeling if apple sold a collector limited edition brick with an apple logo, maybe a click wheal, headphone jack, and dock connector that did noting it would sell. So yes I think the Apple Watch will sell. I mean I for one am buying an Apple Watch.