Goodbye Apple, after 9 Years of Loyalty

[DNichter]

Why not a Pixel 2 XL? Those are being announced this week. Remember that if you go with Samsung, it will take a LONG time before you get OS updates because Samsung has to add all their crap to Android before they can send their update out to their phones.

As an outsider, the Pixel line is the only other option I'd consider. Looks to be very straightforward with good performance and support. They are moving towards the iPhone model, so I anticipate some good competition here.

 

[ultravisitor]

Not a totally brand new method of authentication, but rather a new method of authentication done right

Can people please stop with this "done right" business? People saying that sound like PR and marketing shills with no minds of their own. None of you even has the phone in your hands yet to try it for yourself.

 

[DNichter]

Don't get all the back and forth on platform choices. Some people prefer iOS, there are some advantages to them there. Some people prefer Android, there are some advantages to them there. You really can't go wrong nowadays. I don't get why we need to push one or the other on someone else. There is no wrong choice.

 

[iSayBoourns]

Can people please stop with this "done right" business? People saying that sound like PR and marketing shills. None of you even has the phone in your hands yet to try it for yourself.

I agree it does sound corny. But it’s been a part of Apple’s DNA for a long time. iPod wasn’t the first MP3 player, but it was a stand out product because it was a better user experience. iPhone wasn’t the first smartphone on the market, but it single handily changed the whole smartphone industry. TouchID wasn’t the first fingerprint reader on a smartphone, but it was the first to really be reliable and accurate. These are just a few examples, see the trend? So as PR as “done right” sounds, there’s a whole lot of truth to it and history as proof.

 

[ultravisitor]

So as PR as “done right” sounds, there’s a whole lot of truth to it and history as proof.

It is only true in retrospect for past products. Saying it for a product that you have not seen or touched in person is simply ridiculous fanboyism, as though you believe that Apple can do no wrong.

 

[Closingracer]

I agree it does sound corny. But it’s been a part of Apple’s DNA for a long time. iPod wasn’t the first MP3 player, but it was a stand out product because it was a better user experience. iPhone wasn’t the first smartphone on the market, but it single handily changed the whole smartphone industry. TouchID wasn’t the first fingerprint reader on a smartphone, but it was the first to really be reliable and accurate. These are just a few examples, see the trend? So as PR as “done right” sounds, there’s a whole lot of truth to it and history as proof.

So history has said Samsung batteries haven't exploded like they have in the note 7 prior to it. Nor has the Note 8 battery explode because using history wouldn't the note 8 explode as well?


History says one thing but the future is not set. Faceid could just fail as easily as everything else.

 

[iSayBoourns]

It is only true in retrospect for past products. Saying it for a product that you have not seen or touched in person is simply ridiculous fanboyism, as though you believe that Apple can do no wrong.

Many hands on videos of it in action, showing it working remarkably well. And simple logic would conclude that it will work as advertised because they can’t risk replacing a mature method of authentication completely out for a new one and not be ready for market. Historically when it comes to hardware Apple does not release until it’s ready. For the record, Apple can do wrong. There are things I don’t like that Apple has done. Just because someone can have a point of view doesn’t make them a fanboy.

 

[Closingracer]

As an outsider, the Pixel line is the only other option I'd consider. Looks to be very straightforward with good performance and support. They are moving towards the iPhone model, so I anticipate some good competition here.

Meh as someone who has used iPhones and Android I just don't care for the pixel. I got a Pixel XL last year for review and while it is a great phone I find vanilla Android to be quite boring. Samsung experience on the S8 and note 8 bring some good features on top on Android. Motorola, LG, and Sony has some very good skins as well imho.

 

[Closingracer]

Many hands on videos of it in action, showing it working remarkably well. And simple logic would conclude that it will work as advertised because they can’t risk replacing a mature method of authentication completely out for a new one and not be ready for market. Historically when it comes to hardware Apple does not release until it’s ready. For the record, Apple can do wrong. There are things I don’t like that Apple has done. Just because someone can have a point of view doesn’t make them a fanboy.

Umm it failed in the announcement. Don't care much about Apples response since it's PR speak. Yes it could be the reason but it can also be a warning that it's not mature enough yet. I'll wait until I see it myself to pass judgment. If I buy an X it won't be for face Id.

 

[Closingracer]

You say push AR forward. But that’s exactly what iOS 11 with ARKit does combined with the hardware in the iPhone 8/8+/10.

I doubt full on water proof will happen in a premium smartphone from any manufacture soon. Maybe in a couple years. However I DO wish Apple would use the same technology used in the Apple Watch s2/s3 speakers that puffs out any water in the speaker in their iPhones. Though I suppose doing so would lead people to believe they could swim with their iPhone and demand free replacements when they ruined their iPhone. (But it would still be pretty cool to have that same tech in the phone)

You want more new, never seen before innovation yet at no extra cost? Smartphones in general have been pretty stagnant for a little while now because it’s a mature product. Anything these days that can be added that’s any sort of “wow factor” takes time to develope and a lot of money. A11 Bionic alone was in development since the release of A8. Who knows how long FaceID has been in development for. 3D Touch also took 3-5 years of development. Who knows what is in the pipeline right now that has been a year or two in development or even just begun development. But back on point to cost. This isn’t exactly just an Apple being greedy thing. The Note 8 released at just under $1000. The new Pixel XL2 (or whatever it’s going to be called) is reported to also be just under $1000. This is the new norm for bleeding edge tech and why things like iPhone 8 or the new smaller pixel 2 exists (to offer a lower “normal” price points with updated hardware)

To say the display is no benefit is silly. OLED is better than LCD in many ways. That’s a real tangible benefit the user will see.

I don’t want to hear about the “notch”.

A: that houses the type of innovation people claim Apple lacks. Not a totally brand new method of authentication, but rather a new method of authentication done right, in a way no one else has been able to achieve yet (IE theoretically more secure than TouchID, and reliable enough to ditch the previous method of authentication altogether.)

B: In other manufacturers attempts at removing bezels, they forgot the still large forehead and chins. As they are still present.

I wouldn't call the note 8 and S8 forehead to be big....

 

[ultravisitor]

Faceid could just fail as easily as everything else.

It might be funny to see all the rationalizing that takes place if it does.

Many hands on videos of it in action

Involving Apple employees, right? Involving controlled conditions, right?

 

[Jimmy James]

Goodbye OP, posting after 1 day loyalty to this forum.

 

[iSayBoourns]

So history has said Samsung batteries haven't exploded like they have in the note 7 prior to it. Nor has the Note 8 battery explode because using history wouldn't the note 8 explode as well?


History says one thing but the future is not set. Faceid could just fail as easily as everything else.

It shows Samsung releases things too quickly to market that half assed work. A direct example. They rushed their face recognition into the s8 and Note 8 just to say “look we did it first” (because since even iPhone 7 rumours there was already talk of a 3D sensing camera for the 2017 iPhone) Samsung’s “version” can be fooled by a photo. It’s a cheap and sloppy implementation.

 

[slooksterPSV]

I hope you find what you’re looking for but it’s the same in the mobile market. Everything is topping out spec wise except Apple who has actually surpassed the Samsung phones in CPU speed. Find what works for you. I know how you feel and I felt similar with the ppc to x86 change (which looks like arm will be the next change).
Feel free to come back often

 

[iSayBoourns]

Involving Apple employees, right? Involving controlled conditions, right?

Obviously Apple employees because only 1 face can be registered. There there are a couple videos of people who were allowed to add their face in. Who the persons face is completely irrelevant though.
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I wouldn't call the note 8 and S8 forehead to be big....

In comparison it is.

 

[MrXiro]

This long twitter rant was brought to you by #dramaqueen #overlydramatic #crybaby & #waaah

 

[iSayBoourns]

Faceid could just fail as easily as everything else.

Yes, but I’m quite positive Apple has done enough testing of it to be confident enough to bring it to market and completely replace TouchID with it.

People were just as skeptic of TouchID when it was announced and here we are some years later, people are worried of it’s removal. I guess that didn’t quite fail did it?

 

[AttilaTheHun]

I don't have much to say in this letter, not even sure if this is the right place to post. I've bought almost every model of iPhone from the iPhone 3 in 2008, and loved mostly every experience of it.. until now. It seems everything's going to hell with Apple. I'll be searching for a downgrade of a phone, but I will no longer support this company, even if it means a worse phone experience.



I am still in shock from the release of the iPhone 8, and X. I feel like someone I was in a trustworthy relationship over a long period of time stabbed me in the back and walked away. I guess It's my fault for letting myself get attached to a company.



iPhone X isn't perfect. It is flawed, and Apple, if you truly think it's appropriate to ask your community to "get used to" or adjust to the akward black bevel on your "borderless screen" that.. by the way blocks videos and makes the experience inconvenient for an outstanding price you're wrong.



and about the iPhone 8.. well it's nothing special compared to the iPhone 6s. They're basically the same, with some small upgrades. Not worth the price.

What are your guys opinions about apples recent decisions? Am I the only one?

I can understand your opinion, for me short on budget I will update my iPad this time

 

[ultravisitor]

Obviously Apple employees because only 1 face can be registered. There there are a couple videos of people who were allowed to add their face in. Who the persons face is completely irrelevant though.

But what is completely relevant is that those were some controlled conditions. Obviously the facial recognition will work well when an Apple employee is around to make sure it will work well.
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Yes, but I’m quite positive Apple has done enough testing of it to be confident enough to bring it to market and completely replace TouchID with it.

Just like they did with the iPhone 4 antennas, right? Just like they did with the bending iPhone 6, right?

 

[Closingracer]

Yes, but I’m quite positive Apple has done enough testing of it to be confident enough to bring it to market and completely replace TouchID with it.

People were just as skeptic of TouchID when it was announced and here we are some years later, people are worried of it’s removal. I guess that didn’t quite fail did it?

You're assuming past success will fuel future success. That's the wrong way to look at it. As I said make judgement on an actual product because it's not out yet.

 

[ultravisitor]

They rushed their face recognition into the s8 and Note 8 just to say “look we did it first” (because since even iPhone 7 rumours there was already talk of a 3D sensing camera for the 2017 iPhone) Samsung’s “version” can be fooled by a photo.

That's not even true. Samsung wasn't there first with the S8 and Note 8. The Galaxy Nexus (designed by Samsung for Android/Google) had facial recognition for face unlock way back in 2011. SIX YEARS AGO.

 

[iSayBoourns]

But what is completely relevant is that those were some controlled conditions. Obviously the facial recognition will work well when an Apple employee is around to make sure it will work well.

“To make sure it worked well” you mean literally just standing there and looking at the phone when asked to during hands on videos? Then sure “Apple made sure they made it look as if it works great just for show” 🙄
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That's not even true. Samsung wasn't there first with the S8 and Note 8. The Galaxy Nexus (designed by Samsung for Android/Google) had facial recognition for face unlock way back in 2011. SIX YEARS AGO.

Congrats to Samsung then! Six years later they still can’t figure it out.

 

[Closingracer]

“To make sure it worked well” you mean literally just standing there and looking at the phone when asked to during hands on videos? Then sure “Apple made sure they made it look as if it works great just for show” 🙄
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Congrats to Samsung then! Six years later they still can’t figure it out.

Lol because facial unlock doesn't work on my Note 8?

 

[ultravisitor]

“To make sure it worked well” you mean literally just standing there and looking at the phone when asked to during hands on videos? Then sure “Apple made sure they made it look as if it works great just for show” 🙄

What I mean is so that they can provide instructions on what to do and how to do it and what not to do before the video cameras are turned on.

Do you believe everything you see and read without questioning it or do you only do that when it involves Apple?
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Congrats to Samsung then! Six years later they still can’t figure it out.

And those of us who don't simply take Apple's word for everything aren't assuming that Apple has figured it out yet, either.

 

[iSayBoourns]

You're assuming past success will fuel future success. That's the wrong way to look at it. As I said make judgement on an actual product because it's not out yet.

Except it is an actual product and many people have had real hands on experience with it. And they’ve shared those experiences through video and articles.
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Lol because facial unlock doesn't work on my Note 8?

Technically yes but it’s fake AF lacking any real amount of security. Being able to be fooled by a photo is not what I would call working as intended. They even had to slap the fingerprint reader awkwardly next to the camera lens because they can’t reply on their face recognition.