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Goodbye Apple, after 9 Years of Loyalty

I can't delete my photos from my iPhone 7. I made a back up with iCloud for the 1st time and so far my understanding is if I delete them from iCloud on my PC they get removed after 30 days. No idea if this also means I can then delete them from my phone. I tried re-syncing with an empty folder using iTunes and that worked. But as soon as I re-sync with iTunes and put my photos back onto my phone, they are 100% un-deletable. My point is, I want to be able to delete photos at will from my phone from within the photos app, which I can't do at the moment. WTF Apple. With Android it is simple. I keep and delete what I want whenever I want. I have nothing incriminating on my phone, lol, it is just a real pain that I encountered for the 1st time this past week backing up my phone.

Also having Exchange issues. I constantly need to re-enter my password to get my Exchange account to work with the native mail and calendar apps. It has severely messed up my calendar on my phone, some appointments sync and others don't. Each time I re-enter my password the process crashes to a black screen and then back to home screen. Using the Outlook app somewhat resolves this. Again, giant pain in the butt. Using 11.0.1.

Also had the earpiece clicking issue on my 8+ which I returned last week.

Pixel phones and LG V30 can't get here soon enough. Every time I try Android I always come back to Apple. But last year with the Pixel, Google almost nailed it. Now that Waze works with Android Auto (Google maps by default) this year may finally be the year I stick with Android for more than a few months. Who am I kidding...I will end up back with an 8+ sooner or later...🙁
 
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Try something different and see if you if you like it better... I have and decide that "better" is hard to find. Sure, everything looks better from the other side. Grass is always greener... etc.
 
HEK said:
Exactly....with Android you need to make compromises. Course they call it features and customization, but it’s really work arounds.
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You can't be serious? Android allows you do do what ever you like, its the Apple ecosystem where you have to make compromises as its Apples way or the highway.

The issue is when iOS users try to make the switch to Android they cant let go of their old ways of doing things. You have to throw all that ecosystem rubbish out the window and do things differently, and understandably its very hard for people as Apple has spoon-fed them for so many years. I think it works for some people but for me personally I like to do things my way so Android really suits me.
 
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Yankee512 said:
No it's not. As of January 2017, iOS has had a total of 984 vulnerabilities whereas Android has had a total of 746.

https://www.darkreading.com/mobile/enterprise-android-vs-ios-which-is-more-secure/a/d-id/1328068?

http://searchmobilecomputing.techtarget.com/tip/Android-vs-iOS-security-Compare-the-two-mobile-OSes
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If you want to count actuals ones fine. But overall, big picture, iOS is more secure because 1. it's a walled garden, 2. Apple doesn't mine user data like Google -- I said like Google, not that it doesn't mine data, and 3. Part of Apple's sales pitch is that it respects user's data and has actually gone to the mat publicly with the gov't on this when it has requested it to access devices and also to make a backdoor to devices.
 
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Yankee512 said:
No it's not. As of January 2017, iOS has had a total of 984 vulnerabilities whereas Android has had a total of 746.

https://www.darkreading.com/mobile/enterprise-android-vs-ios-which-is-more-secure/a/d-id/1328068?

http://searchmobilecomputing.techtarget.com/tip/Android-vs-iOS-security-Compare-the-two-mobile-OSes
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As of October 1, 2017. I looked at the first article's links - third paragraph where they list present Android and iOS vulnerabilities.

http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1224/product_id-19997/Google-Android.html

Android has 1330

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-15556/Apple-Iphone-Os.html

iOS has 1275

Using the same data from cvedetails.com, sort the vulnerability score by 9 and up.

Android has 654 vulnerabilities vs iOS at 228.

http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...&sha=1bd76566e804bd0baf4aa6ef43598ed24565b5b6

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerab...&sha=1efc6556e916c71709f3dc8581fc744a48152068

With your logic of "less secure = whoever has more vulnerabilities", Android is less secure.

Further down the article, here's an interesting tidbit:

"In comparison with Android apps, iOS apps go through a stringent and thorough process before the app is approved and available for the general userbase to download. Google doesn’t thoroughly test Android apps before they go live onto the Google Play Store. Consider this recent example: a simple Android photo app named Meitu requires authorization to access location, phone status and identity, and a host of sensitive cellular functionality that has absolutely nothing to do with photo editing."

Sure. Android is more secure.../s

The 2nd link of yours doesn't even mention current iOS. They are talking about iOS 7....

You probably just Googled "Android is more secure than iOS" and came up with those two links in your post.
 
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torana355 said:
The issue is when iOS users try to make the switch to Android they cant let go of their old ways of doing things. You have to throw all that ecosystem rubbish out the window and do things differently, and understandably its very hard for people as Apple has spoon-fed them for so many years. I think it works for some people but for me personally I like to do things my way so Android really suits me.
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Right. The systems can be pretty different, and a lot of the time what I see is Apple users going to Android and then getting mad when they try to make their Android phone work like an iPhone.
 
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Chupa Chupa said:
If you want to count actuals ones fine. But overall, big picture, iOS is more secure because 1. it's a walled garden, 2. Apple doesn't mine user data like Google -- I said like Google, not that it doesn't mine data, and 3. Part of Apple's sales pitch is that it respects user's data and has actually gone to the mat publicly with the gov't on this when it has requested it to access devices and also to make a backdoor to devices.
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It's not. Sorry you don't like the truth.
 
ultravisitor said:
Right. The systems can be pretty different, and a lot of the time what I see is Apple users going to Android and then getting mad when they try to make their Android phone work like an iPhone.
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Yep and in that case its clear iOS is better suited to their needs. However if you can survive outside the Apple Ecosystem the freedom it brings is a big plus. Im not locked down to any device, i use my Apple laptop, Android watch, Custom built Media pc and Android phone and I have no issues crossing between them, Google Drive works across the board, Apple Music works across the board as does Google photos. Thats my music, photo/videos and general cloud storage all covered. Is it as seamless as the Apple eco system, probably not but I can change any of my devices without being locked down to any brand.
 
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Yankee512 said:
It's not. Sorry you don't like the truth.
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It’s not what? The 3 points I noted are 100% true. If you don’t recognize those as facts then you either aren’t that familiar with Apple and iOS or your head is stuck in one of the Google’s “o”s.
 
Another Apple loyalist leaving for a Note 8.

If I don’t like it I’ll stick it out and return to Apple next year, but I just don’t think Apple is innovating enough for me at the moment to spend $1,150 on a phone.

Ps - My entire family is making fun of me because I converted them to Apple a few years back...but I’m dying to try something new. I still have an iMac/Apple TV (and my wife has an iPhone) so I’ll be on the forum...but we’ll see if the grass is truly greener.
 
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Astroturf alert, this guy joined macrumors six days ago to tell us how he's a super loyal Apple customer, but Apple lost its way?!?

Whatever you're getting paid for your shilling it's too much. You should be fired.
 
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Juan007 said:
Astroturf alert, this guy joined macrumors six days ago to tell us how he's a super loyal Apple customer, but Apple lost its way?!?

Whatever you're getting paid for your shilling it's too much. You should be fired.
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Well I’ve been here for 7 years and I’m leaving.

Not going to write a crazy long post but I’m pissed at Apple. They can afford to have their sales tank this year to wake up and realize a four year old design isn’t going to cut it.

The X could be very nice if they utilize software to get rid of the notch and it doesn’t cost $1,150 before taxes to get a phone with decent storage.
 
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torana355 said:
Yep and in that case its clear iOS is better suited to their needs. However if you can survive outside the Apple Ecosystem the freedom it brings is a big plus. Im not locked down to any device, i use my Apple laptop, Android watch, Custom built Media pc and Android phone and I have no issues crossing between them, Google Drive works across the board, Apple Music works across the board as does Google photos. Thats my music, photo/videos and general cloud storage all covered. Is it as seamless as the Apple eco system, probably not but I can change any of my devices without being locked down to any brand.
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Yep. I've got Apple products (laptop, phone, watch), Android products (tablet, Android TV and maybe soon a phone), a Roku, and Windows pcs all in the mix. I use Google services--Drive, Music, Photos, Movies/TV, etc--because I can access them on any of my devices.

I like tech too much to box myself in with any one brand or ecosystem.
 
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fs454 said:
You’re not the end all be all of this conversation, as much as you want to think so. Nobody is listening to you regarding mobile OS security.
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That's OK. I backed my statements up. You haven't done anything. Have a nice day in your dream.
 
Yankee512 said:
That's OK. I backed my statements up. You haven't done anything. Have a nice day in your dream.
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You backed up your statements with links to articles that say it could go either way. Then Mac Tyson posts links that show actual current vulnerabilities say that iOS is more secure and you ignore it and then say people are ignoring truth, wasting peoples time etc.

Please just go back to alternative if you can't see the irony in this...
 
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Chupa Chupa said:
If you want to count actuals ones fine. But overall, big picture, iOS is more secure because 1. it's a walled garden, 2. Apple doesn't mine user data like Google -- I said like Google, not that it doesn't mine data, and 3. Part of Apple's sales pitch is that it respects user's data and has actually gone to the mat publicly with the gov't on this when it has requested it to access devices and also to make a backdoor to devices.
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https://www.theatlas.com/charts/NyA7HZeog
 
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