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Google seriously should give up on hardware. It's a failure.

They should stick to ads.

I’m sorry, but I strongly disagree. As an iPhone user since the 4 launched on Verizon almost ten years ago, the Pixel has always been a strong contender against the iPhone.

Hell, I bought an iPhone 8 Plus at launch and was so disgusted with the amount of slop and bugs Apple shipped in iOS 11, it was returned and replaced with a Pixel 2 XL that was every bit as good as the iPhone — better in some cases, namely performance and animation frame rates on Android O compared to iOS 11.

That phone is still 100% usable and has no noticeable performance difference compared to the iPhone XS Max I’m typing this on.
 
Funny how people criticize the lack of buttons, but when Apple copies it, it was the "best decision ever".
 
I kind of like the cameras up in the status bar like that. Looks better than a notch.
 
I don't like the idea of no physical buttons, but the hole-punch camera is a far more elegant solution to the notch than the OnePlus pop-up camera.
For someone like me who doesn't use the front-facing camera often (in fact I probably wouldn't mind if they just did away with it), the OnePlus pop-up camera makes much more sense.

There just isn't any good reason I need to see an ugly hole or notch obstructing part of the display every time I use the device, except for maybe Face ID on the iPhone.
 
Reminds me of the lack of physical button ipod I had back in the day and loved it! Bring it on Google. I remember it wasn't a big deal doing resets if it froze as well still be able to hold the touch areas.
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I need at least one button for a hard reset on my phone! Either that or a pedometer that will hard reset it if I throw it on the floor hard enough

Not sure if this is serious or a joke but you could still reset the buttonless ipods back in the day buy tap and holding at couple of the touch areas/buttons at the same time. I'm sure in 2019 this can easily be done.
 
Their cameras and software SUCK for video, based on everything I've read. To me, that negates any advantage the camera may have for specialty situations like night shots.

In contrast, the iPhone takes outstanding video. It's also fast enough to edit it efficiently.
I haven’t found that consensus. DPReview, which tends to be pretty picky, had pretty good things to say, with some criticisms with rapid motion or panning. Certainly not “suck” although I’m sure you can find a review that supports what you say.

But hey, I’m no Google/Pixel shill. I trust them as far as I can throw my car and will never buy a totally buttonless smartphone from anyone, let alone from them.
 
The only negative on Pixel 3 was notch and lack of ram. If they get those 2 issues fixed with a good price point. I know where my money is going!

Ya super tempting especially if the camera at least remains as good if not hopefully better then the current model. Though I've recently become more entrenched in the Apple ecosystem. A good Google smart watch would help as well.
 
I’m sorry, but I strongly disagree. As an iPhone user since the 4 launched on Verizon almost ten years ago, the Pixel has always been a strong contender against the iPhone.

Hell, I bought an iPhone 8 Plus at launch and was so disgusted with the amount of slop and bugs Apple shipped in iOS 11, it was returned and replaced with a Pixel 2 XL that was every bit as good as the iPhone — better in some cases, namely performance and animation frame rates on Android O compared to iOS 11.

That phone is still 100% usable and has no noticeable performance difference compared to the iPhone XS Max I’m typing this on.

Even with my Redmi Note 3... It is still going strong, with the newest MiUI 10.
 
2XL is honestly one of the best phones I've had. I love it.
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Nice, anecdotal story. Again, the Pixel phone has largely been a failure along with the rest of Google Hardware, besides maybe the cheap Chromebook.
 
I have read that. DPReview, which tends to be pretty picky, had pretty good things to say, with some criticisms with rapid motion or panning. Certainly not “suck” although I’m sure you can find a review that supports your point (one can find anything on the internet).

But hey, I’m no Google/Pixel shill. I trust them as far as I can throw my car and will never buy a totally buttonless smartphone from anyone, let alone them.

So when Apple releases a buttonless iphone you're not going to buy one? If the ipod is any indication and buttonless seeming like the most most likely evolution of smartphones its likely going to happen.
 
Hmmmm… headphone jack!

I saw that, it would be a big deal if they bring that back to their top of the line phones.

Looking at the full renders on the article - they are nice looking phones, alot better than the 3's (the 3xl in particular). These will be the 1st top of the line ones being done by their HTC folks (who just did the 3a phones), their 1st doing the full outside design presumably - they look nice, best looking android phone I've seen at this point (for the render).

Gotta say, at least on the backs these look way better than the Xs / Xr refreshes we're seeing from Apple with the square Airbag camera bump.
 
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Ya, because having arguably the best smart phone camera, purest Android experience and quickest Android software updates in the market is awful and at lower pricing than an iphone is a complete failure. :rolleyes:
You listing some benefits doesn't mean it's successful. Show me the sales that make it successful? Sometimes, those features aren't enough to sell phones. The Pixel has a good camera...so do a lot of smartphones, including the iPhones.

There is far more Android competition than iOS competition. Samsung crushes Google.

Google's most recent report shows $36B in revenue for the quarter. $31B was from Ads, or over 86%.

The remainder was from "Google Other" which includes:

• Apps, in-app purchases, and digital content in the Google Play store;
• Google Cloud offerings;
• Hardware
• YouTube subscriptions

Analysts agree YouTube and Cloud are the 2 highest earners of that group, leaving something like $1B, MAYBE $2B for hardware. It's a joke.

I am long GOOGL, but I recognize their hardware sales are a complete nothingburger.
 
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I’ll just leave this here again since it seems like most phones are going this route...

“Bezel-Free designs look nice and all, but are they practical...?”
 
Nice, anecdotal story. Again, the Pixel phone has largely been a failure along with the rest of Google Hardware, besides maybe the cheap Chromebook.
Uh, how? Phone has been wonderful. What exactly failed about it? One of the best cameras, stock Android and the openess that comes with Android.
 
I’m sorry, but I strongly disagree. As an iPhone user since the 4 launched on Verizon almost ten years ago, the Pixel has always been a strong contender against the iPhone.

Hell, I bought an iPhone 8 Plus at launch and was so disgusted with the amount of slop and bugs Apple shipped in iOS 11, it was returned and replaced with a Pixel 2 XL that was every bit as good as the iPhone — better in some cases, namely performance and animation frame rates on Android O compared to iOS 11.

That phone is still 100% usable and has no noticeable performance difference compared to the iPhone XS Max I’m typing this on.

Have to ask then. If it was so good, why go back to iPhone? Or do you use both?
 
I’m sorry, but I strongly disagree. As an iPhone user since the 4 launched on Verizon almost ten years ago, the Pixel has always been a strong contender against the iPhone.

Hell, I bought an iPhone 8 Plus at launch and was so disgusted with the amount of slop and bugs Apple shipped in iOS 11, it was returned and replaced with a Pixel 2 XL that was every bit as good as the iPhone — better in some cases, namely performance and animation frame rates on Android O compared to iOS 11.

That phone is still 100% usable and has no noticeable performance difference compared to the iPhone XS Max I’m typing this on.
But it's not in reality. I don't care what specs you want to give or reasons it's just as good. The Pixel doesn't sell. It's failed for a company Google's size. It's so small, it almost doesn't deserve to be included.

Again, of $36B in sales, $31B are Ads for Google and the remainder is YouTube, Cloud, App Store, and Hardware. Hardware might be doing $1B in revenue last quarter or about 2.7% of sales.

Apple just did $31B in sales for JUST the iphone, not including Macs, iPad, or Wearables...and people think Apple is doomed because the iPhone slowed. Google certainly didn't take share. The entire market isn't upgrading high end phones as much. Apple isn't losing customers. The user base is growing, not shrinking. Upgrades have just slowed, as expected.
 
Ya, because having arguably the best smart phone camera, purest Android experience and quickest Android software updates in the market is awful and at lower pricing than an iphone is a complete failure. :rolleyes:

Based on their Pixel sales it’s absolutely a complete failure.
 
Google wifi. Everything Nest. All highly rated by owners.

There's nothing inherently flawed in their phone's engineering. If they vet their suppliers' and contractors' QC better, there would be few complaints. Those lucky enough to receive a non-defective unit say the phone is their favorite.
And all a rounding error for Google.

$36B in sales, $31B of that was in ads. The remainder was mostly YouTube, Cloud, and App Store.

Seriously dude...Google WiFi? These are nothing businesses for a company Google's size. They are pet projects that make no money. Google is an Ad/Data company, period. The numbers from their 10-Q prove that.

"Other Bets" did $150M in sales for Google...might as well be nothing.
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iPhones only have multi year os support cause apple sells each iPhone model for multiple years. I prefer to not buy "day old bread".

If you bought a iPhone SE this year, you're only getting 9 months of OS support.
The iPhone SE still being supported at all is a huge credit to Apple and is making my point.
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lol, OK. The Pixel phones and the Nexus phones before them are amazing devices. It is THE best way to experience pure Android. Your comment just makes you look like an ignorant fool.
Nice opinion. Now, on to facts only "fools" know. Show me the numbers that prove the phones are amazing and that is translating to anything meaningful. I've posted many from their 10-Q. Hardware sales are likely <3% of Google's total revenue and are probably around $1-2B last quarter.

Apple just did $31B in iPhone sales alone...not including iPad, wearables, or Mac. The Pixel is a non player, hobby and a failure for a company Google's size.
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I think someone needs to do research on the correlation of being the first post and the degree of idiocy in the content.
You ever heard of a 10-Q? I know the numbers...do you? Google Hardware is a failure for a company their size. I own GOOGL, do you? I love the company...but the hardware part is purely a joke.

Almost 90% of Google's revenue was from Ads. Great business, so I own the shares. Hardware is a pet project for them that has gained almost no traction. Their CEO just said the Pixel 3 sales are down over Pixel 2. The Pixel 2 didn't sell well.

Google did $36B in revenues last quarter and $31B were from Ads...with the remaining $5B being YouTube (Ads), Cloud, and App Store. Hardware is in that mix and is likely around $1B.

"Low market share" Apple just did $31B in iPhone sales in a "down" quarter.

Come with 1 fact and we'll have a discussion. Until then, go somewhere.
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Uh, how? Phone has been wonderful. What exactly failed about it? One of the best cameras, stock Android and the openess that comes with Android.
I've been over the numbers enough. Go back and read the thread. Google Hardware is objectively a failure and they haven't sold nearly enough Pixels.
 
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