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Ah, Apple two years behind in AI, but don’t worry, they’ll just slap it into the “ecosystem” and call it revolutionary. At this point, it’s like showing up to a Tesla race on a bicycle and bragging about the basket.
 
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Big deal. If you don't think Siri is smart enough on its own, just get ChatGPT while you wait for Apple to install it.
 
Lol. Why is Apple always behind? I can’t believe they started late on AI. Everyone was talking about it for years.
 
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Apple's stupidity when it comes to Siri and the whole AI thing, as compared to Google, reminds me of Steve Ballmer laughing at Apple's iPhone. Oops.

As far as Ballmer is concerned, he was right to "laugh" at the iPhone launch price. As it turned out, the price was notably reduced less than three months after launch and reduced further the following year with the new (3G) model came out.

Ballmer's reaction would’ve likely been different if iPhones had launched at the lower prices.
 
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Do you trust it for accurate legal advice? I agree it is a good replacement for google searches, but some things I am not sure I would trust it with.
I'm only asking for very basic legal advice and more so to confirm what I believe is right and then I'm unsure I ask it for their source which it then provides which is impressive.
 
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2 years is a lifetime in emerging and evolving technologies like AI.

I do not think Apple can catch up and narrow the gap so to speak.
I think their best bet would be to purchase an AI company and give it enough resources to help them catch up.
 
It is unfortunate that Apple spent so much time and money on automated EV cars.

Apple is a huge company with lots of talent and resources. Just because they were working on "automated EV cars" doesn't mean they weren't or couldn't have been simultaneously working on "AI" stuff. Also, some of the work on the car side could perhaps be applied to "Apple Intelligence" for devices.
 
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"2 years behind" hastily made stochastic copyright-violation-based systems, also means Apple can leap-frog them all as their recent research paper lays the groundwork for — moving past 1st generation commercial LLMs and into actually advanced ML tools that provide actual high integrity accurate value without the legal risk of massive copyright lawsuits and generating false information. With wise leadership not distracted by shiny and shallow definitions of "smart", Apple can easily disrupt the juvenile logic of current GenAI "innovation".
 
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Well this was obvious? Apple have NEVER taken smart AI seriously, because they absolutely used to refuse to allow any of it to run in the cloud even on its own systems. Sim Siri was bought and left to die really. Even now they offer you the chance to use Chat GPT… if that wasn’t an admission their own tech was behind I don’t know what is, and funnily enough it runs in the cloud of very powerful networks and computers, not your mobile phone chip.

I still await to see how it will work and how useful it will actually be. But Apples talk and promotion of its AI is just fluffy sales talk and advertising hiding the facts.
 
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Other than generating fake homework papers, what can AI do?
It is quite literally being used right now to automate functions across business, and ultimately people out of work, but it’ll increase profits and share values and that’s all that matters for the 1%. It has some uses yes. But on the whole that’s where it’s growth is right now.
 
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Apple is attempting to do too much, too quickly. iOS is plagued with numerous UI bugs and quirks, particularly in the Lock Screen, Control Center, and widgets. Yet, instead of addressing these issues, they’re jumping into the race for LLMs, even though they’re trailing behind competitors. For years, Apple products were known for being somewhat basic but reliable. Now, they seem to be both flawed and unstable.

My Apple TV has a bug! Never once had any issues with it till the latest OS update. Now if I pause a You Tube video, after s couple of minutes of the screen saver it unpauses plays in the background and a third of the screen on each side has a broken up digital like vertical lines.

So my faith in them making a reliable smart AI system isn‘t that high.
 
This is not a big as problem as people think. Xai didnt exist a year ago and has produced very competitive model. It turns out to get a model that will blow you mind is not that hard now if you are willing to pay for the processing time. 2 years behind if you want to be cutting edge but at this point pretty good isn’t too hard to get. Also…besides stock prices few companies are seeing profit from their AI. But it’s simple automation and information parsing will become universal soon enough in all jobs.
 
It is quite literally being used right now to automate functions across business, and ultimately people out of work, but it’ll increase profits and share values and that’s all that matters for the 1%. It has some uses yes. But on the whole that’s where it’s growth is right now.
Or with a growth mindset

It’s quite literally being used right to make businesses more efficient and allow employees to do more with less. It should increase wealth as general as we become more efficient across a wide range of tasks allowing people to focus less on relative tasks and more on meaningful work. New jobs we haven’t even imagined yet will be possible as AI extends to more and more fields.
 
Siri has barely changed since it was introduced in 2011. Yes. 2011.
You are right! > 10 yrs spent in meaningless features (know the mother airplane landing time, american sports results ...) and, after all these years, is still impossible for Siri to find a song when set in a language different than US English, even if you listened to it 1000 times! I consider Apple developers and managers as people that confuse the word "World" with "Apple Campus and surroundings".
 
Isn't this always the case, though? Apple was late with OLED, Apple was late with bezel-less screens, Apple was late with high refresh rate, Apple was late with USB-C, Apple was late with LTE and then 5G.

Either these people don't understand that Apple has different road maps, or Apple has a chronic tardiness problem. I doubt it's the latter.
 
Fascinating so many people here don't understand *why* Apple partnered with ChatGPT, and yet believe this is breaking news.

Just another day to slag Apple about not being the leader in AI. And *still* not understanding Apple's privacy-first approach to AI.
 
Google completely abandoned their work on AI. ChatGPT came along and Google went into red alert mode, quickly creating Bard and calling their old founders back to HQ to find an answer as Google as a whole is threatened by AI - it can search better than Google search in this horrible landscape of algorithm trickery.

Bard moved to Gemini, and I still wouldn't use that over ChatGPT.

Apple's limitations with Siri were related to privacy and security, it's nothing like what you're describing here.
This is spot on. AI is an insane threat to google because AI search is much better than google now. When you just the answer to something random AI beats google and that is a huge problem for google because that their major business model and profits. Apple is less threatened because of their product structure.
 
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Damn I'm predicting that the press will have a field day with the Apple Intelligence release. The nowhere-to-be-found AI upon iPhone 16 release was already bad enough, I'm pretty sure the actual experience will be as underwhelming. Apple is losing its touch...
 
Most AI even on other devices is just marketing spin currently.

I haven't seen anything wonderful produced and shared with me from any Android users.
Well apaprt from the AI faked Samsung "moon shots"...

So saying Apple is two years behind isnt really saying much is it?

Looking forward to a better Siri experience soon. It needs it.
But on device handling could be a point of difference for security and speed.
First of all, the pictures taken with Samsung flagships are not fake.

The algorithm Samsung uses to enhance these shots is a bit of a stretch to be considered AI. It's more like a photo mode, similar to Food Mode or Portrait Mode, rather than true AI-driven processing in the sense it's referred to here on this thread when people talk about AI.

To clarify this further, here's a screen recording where I took photos of the moon using an S23 Ultra. I used Gcam, which is a fork of the Pixel camera app, wasn't developed for Samsung phones so it also doesn’t have any Moon enhancement algorithms or special features like those found in Samsung’s native camera app.
This more than proves the capabilities of the hardware. Samsung doesn't need to "fake" Moon pictures, it only makes them look a little better through processing (so something all smartphone manufacturers do)

Now second, it would be really interesting to know what AI features "Android users" showed you and what would you categorize as impressive?

For example, this summer while I was on vacation I really had to speak with somebody that can only speak Portuguese, so I uses the Interpreter feature found on Samsung phones. The person was blown away by the fact that we could communicate with no effort in real time while not knowing each other's language, and also without an internet connection.
Also Circle to Search is God send, even if it's more Machine Learning than anything else but also other stuff like Natural Language Processing and AR etc. it's usefulness is incredible, the best Android feature in the last few years.
 
They're not talking about Siri at all, they're referring to Apple's deployment of LLM as a whole. Also, we're putting a lot of weight into "some at Apple".
True. It could be 3-4 employees that have formulated this opinion.

That being said, I feel like Apple is hooking ChatGPT into Siri as a workaround because the management also admitted that their LLM is 2 years behind. They wouldn't have to do that instead. Or maybe they do it just to shine because we all know how good ChatGPT is.

But the LLM at Apple does not have "reasoning" capabilities (such as the o1 model), its cutoff might be earlier (it's October 2023 for the 4o model), its trained knowledge base might be slimmer, etc. Apple could quantify that more than me, I don't know what's behind the curtain at either OpenAI or Apple.

The main thing where they are objectively clearly behind, is localization. They're supporting only English, and even worse, US English only. I'm using ChatGPT in English, French, Portuguese and Spanish, and it's absolutely good. Hell I can even ask it to speak in French with an Indian accent, and it will do it... incredible.
 
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The whole world knows this.

Apple got caught in a panic when ChatGPT emerged out of nowhere, they probably knew rivals Samsung and Google were working on AI but I can guarantee Apple brushed it off until they were caught by the ChatGPT earthquake.

To be fair, it wasn't an expected earthquake, as evidenced by the sharp share price rises of AI-linked tech companies not long after.

But nevertheless it was an earthquake and Apple had done nothing, I repeat nothing, to reinforce the foundations, aka invest in AI. This is even more outrageous when you factor in how long they've had Siri baked into their products (Samsung killed off Bixby, etc). Siri has barely changed since it was introduced in 2011. Yes. 2011.

Now they are playing a desperate catch up and rushing something, anything, out without little care or thought. It is wholly embarrassing to release a suite of products with a cornerstone product Apple 'Intelligence' that isn't even available. Embarrassing.

Tim Cook has overstayed his welcome and needs to move on, time is proving a lot of (not all, but a lot of) his judgement calls have been wrong.
I agree that it may be time for TC to look at retiring. In the past (cough cough, previous leadership), Apple always appeared to be behind the curve as they would have very little in a particular product space and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, they release a product that is light years ahead of what anyone else is doing and it changes the landscape. Now, they release half-baked products or announce features/products that take a long time to mature or even get shelved before they ever see the light of day.

They still have a great ecosystem, but a lot of that was put in motion before TC took the reins. They have been building on a foundation that was set decades ago, but that foundation will eventually weaken and crumble if they don't start becoming an innovator in tech again.
 
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