Has iPhone X turned you off Apple?

[Bacillus]

No one can comment on FaceID without hands on.

What a nonsense.
As sophisticated as it is, in its best way it solves a problem that doesn't exist (= fallable identification)
Whereas that same sophistication introduces a myriad of new issues that nobody knows how to handle on the massive scale that Apple has to work on. Therefore, this phone should have been launched as an experimental/promo device just like the 40th anniversary Mac.
It definitely has potential, but not as a mainstream device.
And FaceID is also misused to conceal the non-novation (glass body, slow charging, lowrange induction, competitor's screen, batterylife) that only near-monopolists can offer.

 

[phillytim]

No one can comment on FaceID without hands on.

Actually, yes we can.

Per Apple Keynote, you must (1) be looking at your phone or put the phone facing your face & (2) one must swipe up from the bottom to get to the home screen. 2-step, delayed process.

With TouchID, I can unlock the phone even in my pocket or behind my back or in the dark, all I need to do is feel for the TouchID with my thumb. And that's it - 1 step process.

 

[mattopotamus]

Actually, yes we can.

Per Apple Keynote, you must (1) be looking at your phone or put the phone facing your face & (2) one must swipe up from the bottom to get to the home screen. 2-step, delayed process.

With TouchID, I can unlock the phone even in my pocket or behind my back or in the dark, all I need to do is feel for the TouchID with my thumb. And that's it - 1 step process.

FaceID does work in the dark apparently. What I mean is no one can comment on how good it is until they try it. Do you ever unlock your phone and not use it? The swipe up isnt really a big deal is it? Why would you TouchID your phone and then not use it? Notifications are still on the lock screen.

 

[phillytim]

FaceID does work in the dark apparently. What I mean is no one can comment on how good it is until they try it. Do you ever unlock your phone and not use it? The swipe up isnt really a big deal is it? Why would you TouchID your phone and then not use it? Notifications are still on the lock screen.

I was just giving the clearest examples (pocket, dark, etc.) that I could to show that TouchID is a simple, 1-step process that can be done instantaneously in any given situation.

FaceID requires more of a pre-meditated 2-step process (and most likely using 2-hands), in comparison to TouchID.

That's all.

 

[andyx3x]

My hunch is that there are going to be major issues with FaceID when the X launches. I don't think Apple has tested this phone well. We'll see.

 

[ultravisitor]

FaceID does work in the dark apparently. What I mean is no one can comment on how good it is until they try it. Do you ever unlock your phone and not use it? The swipe up isnt really a big deal is it? Why would you TouchID your phone and then not use it? Notifications are still on the lock screen.

I don't think you understand. It's very annoying to have to hold your phone at an angle that it can scan your face to unlock the phone before you use it. It's especially annoying if you're doing other things, such as walking down a hallway.

Think about it: you're walking down a hall or a street and talking to someone and you want to do something on your phone. When you take out your phone, you either have to stop walking and pause to scan your face or you have to keep walking while holding your phone up AND looking at it instead of looking where you're going. Compare that to what we can do now, which is pull out our phones and unlock them before we even look at the screen.

Sure, it doesn't seem like facial recognition would be too annoying, but those of us who started experiencing it in 2012 with Android have an idea.

You'll see. A lot of you will see. Facial recognition is a neat trick and cool in theory, but it can be extremely annoying in practice.

 

[mattopotamus]

I was just giving the clearest examples (pocket, dark, etc.) that I could to show that TouchID is a simple, 1-step process that can be done instantaneously in any given situation.

FaceID requires more of a pre-meditated 2-step process (and most likely using 2-hands), in comparison to TouchID.

That's all.

I agree that it will pretty much be a two handed device at all times. The way notifications/control center have two different pull down locations.
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I don't think you understand. It's very annoying to have to hold your phone at an angle that it can scan your face to unlock the phone before you use it. It's especially annoying if you're doing other things, such as walking down a hallway.

Think about it: you're walking down a hall or a street and talking to someone and you want to do something on your phone. When you take out your phone, you either have to stop walking and pause to scan your face or you have to keep walking while holding your phone up AND looking at it instead of looking where you're going. Compare that to what we can do now, which is pull out our phones and unlock them before we even look at the screen.

Sure, it doesn't seem like facial recognition would be too annoying, but those of us who started experiencing it in 2012 with Android have an idea.

You'll see. A lot of you will see. Facial recognition is a neat trick and cool in theory, but it can be extremely annoying in practice.

Again, I don't think that is the case. I honestly think it will work laying on a table or just looking at your phone. I do not think you will have to make a dramatic lift with the phone and place it in front of your face. That is why I suggest people wait for reviews and hands on. More than the few mintues in a controlled environment from the keynote. I may be wrong, but you may be wrong. If it ends up like you think, I agree it will be a failure. My personal opinion is that people are going to be shocked at how well it works. I am imagining waking the screen by tapping, and all in one motion glancing and swyping up to unlock it. Very easy and seamless. Again, this is my opinion.

 

[ultravisitor]

Again, I don't think that is the case. I honestly think it will work laying on a table or just looking at your phone.

My concern with that is that if it works by scanning while looking up at your face at an odd angle and possibly scanning it from the underside, it might be easier to fool. And if it worked from such extreme angles, then why didn't they show that during the keynote? It would be very impressive. My guess is that if it does work from extreme angles like the ones you discuss, then it doesn't work very well and not on a consistent basis.

 

[phillytim]

I will say this: Apple will probably create the best Face Recognition technology that is possible.

Apple created a spectacular TouchID, better than anyone ever did before it.

 

[Knowimagination]

Lots of people complaining about Face ID seem to be thinking of it like any other facial recognition. There doesn't seem to be any need to be looking directly at the screen forcing holding it in an awkward position. While practically it feels like only 1 step with Touch ID there are still two steps you are authenticating your print and pressing the home button. On Face ID you are authenticating your face and "pressing the home button" which is now done by a swipe gesture.

Comparing Face ID to android facial recognition just shows how little people understand the tech that is involved in Face ID.

 

[ultravisitor]

There doesn't seem to be any need to be looking directly at the screen

I've both read that you have to be looking at the screen and seen in demos the person has always had to be looking at the screen.

 

[Knowimagination]

I've both read that you have to be looking at the screen and seen in demos the person has always had to be looking at the screen.

I'm saying you aren't going to have to hold your phone up at an awkward angle. I fully expect to be able to pull the phone out of my pocket look down at it and unlock it. Not have to raise it up to the perfect height etc.

 

[mattopotamus]

My concern with that is that if it works by scanning while looking up at your face at an odd angle and possibly scanning it from the underside, it might be easier to fool. And if it worked from such extreme angles, then why didn't they show that during the keynote? It would be very impressive. My guess is that if it does work from extreme angles like the ones you discuss, then it doesn't work very well and not on a consistent basis.

The promo video they showed demonstrated some of the ideas I mentioned. There are so many questions, and until reviews pile in (close to a month) we can only speculate.

 

[ultravisitor]

I'm saying you aren't going to have to hold your phone up at an awkward angle. I fully expect to be able to pull the phone out of my pocket look down at it and unlock it. Not have to raise it up to the perfect height etc.

Even so, I'm still not understanding how this is better than fingerprint scanning, which works without us even having to look at our phones at all. It's still too many steps when I can pull my phone out of my pocket and unlock it before I even look at it. Hell, I can unlock it before it's even completely out of my pocket.

When Touch ID comes back imbedded in our screens, I won't be surprised if no one uses the facial recognition at all.

 

[Sir Ruben]

"Has the iPhone X turned you off Apple?"

I'm going to say yes, to an extent. Anyone who has seen my posts on here over the years will know that I am a big Apple fan. I have owned and loved many of their products and defended many of their controversial descisions.

However.......times are changing, and I'm finding Apple are turning me off slowly but surely. The iPhone X strikes me as a phone that has had a troubled conception, however Apple are still hailing it as the second coming and charging a price that goes beyond premium. The new folio case.....£99, the current iPads receiving a price hike of £50 for no reason, the storage options of 64GB or 256GB meaning too little or too much, pushing people to go for the latter.

Apple have been pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable for quite some time, but with the iPhone X, for me, it has got to the end of the road. A phone that is lacking on exciting features, but has had a price bump way beyond what it is worth. All the while the average wage remains roughly the same.

For all the talk of how much they value diversity, honesty, values etc, they are quite happy to milk us for everything we are worth. Yes they are a business but they also take the pi$$ to the absolute maximum. There will be many on here who don't agree...the same people who will go out and buy 5 iPhone X's and tell us all about it on here. A fool and his money as they say.

 

[Knowimagination]

Even so, I'm still not understanding how this is better than fingerprint scanning, which works without us even having to look at our phones at all. It's still too many steps when I can pull my phone out of my pocket and unlock it before I even look at it. Hell, I can unlock it before it's even completely out of my pocket.

When Touch ID comes back imbedded in our screens, I won't be surprised if no one uses the facial recognition at all.

I don't know about you but I don't often use my phone without looking at it so I'm not sure how Face ID is worse.

I'm willing to bet that touch ID is gone for good or for at the very least 2-3 years.

 

[FoxD]

I wish it had both...I already know I will miss Touch ID but want the OLED screen and new design.

 

[ultravisitor]

I don't know about you but I don't often use my phone without looking at it so I'm not sure how Face ID is worse.

It's worse because it takes a few more steps with me looking at the phone before I can even use it.

Again, with Touch ID, I can start using my phone as soon as I look at it because I can unlock it before it's even out of my pocket.

The difference is a few seconds, but those seconds will feel irritating when you're used to not having them be in the way.

I do understand, though, that people will put up with anything because it is the latest Apple toy.

 

[Knowimagination]

It's worse because it takes a few more steps with me looking at the phone before I can even use it.

Again, with Touch ID, I can start using my phone as soon as I look at it because I can unlock it before it's even out of my pocket.

lol a few more steps? come on man its part of a step more and that step is looking at your device. We get it you don't like it but please stop with trying to make it sound so much worse and more difficult than Touch ID. It's just silly.

 

[Ceviche Lover]

I'm not that impressed with the IPhone X to be honest.....While the OLED screen and the larger screen/smaller form factor are nice, that stupid notch ruins the phone for me.

What really pisses me off is not the pricing of the phone, but the way Apple DELIBERATELY decided to **** over their customers by not including a middle storage tier and forcing people to either get less storage or more storage than most will ever need.

 

[bufffilm]

"Has the iPhone X turned you off Apple?"

I'm going to say yes, to an extent. Anyone who has seen my posts on here over the years will know that I am a big Apple fan. I have owned and loved many of their products and defended many of their controversial descisions.

However.......times are changing, and I'm finding Apple are turning me off slowly but surely. The iPhone X strikes me as a phone that has had a troubled conception, however Apple are still hailing it as the second coming and charging a price that goes beyond premium. The new folio case.....£99, the current iPads receiving a price hike of £50 for no reason, the storage options of 64GB or 256GB meaning too little or too much, pushing people to go for the latter.

Apple have been pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable for quite some time, but with the iPhone X, for me, it has got to the end of the road. A phone that is lacking on exciting features, but has had a price bump way beyond what it is worth. All the while the average wage remains roughly the same.

For all the talk of how much they value diversity, honesty, values etc, they are quite happy to milk us for everything we are worth. Yes they are a business but they also take the pi$$ to the absolute maximum. There will be many on here who don't agree...the same people who will go out and buy 5 iPhone X's and tell us all about it on here. A fool and his money as they say.

Yes to all you posted.

And while I will keep posted on how well FaceID works (or not) and keep tabs on Android and their offerings this year, next year and future years...as a last resort, there is still the SE.

It's old tech and newer phones have eclipsed it, but it is essentially...all I need.

 

[mattopotamus]

Even so, I'm still not understanding how this is better than fingerprint scanning, which works without us even having to look at our phones at all. It's still too many steps when I can pull my phone out of my pocket and unlock it before I even look at it. Hell, I can unlock it before it's even completely out of my pocket.

When Touch ID comes back imbedded in our screens, I won't be surprised if no one uses the facial recognition at all.

I definitely think that happens next year.

 

[ultravisitor]

I definitely think that happens next year.

It's a big reason why I've gotten turned cold on the X. I always keep phones for two years. I'd be pissed if I got this year's X and then next year's has Touch ID again. I'm not giving Apple so much money two years in a row, and I've never thought there's been a reason to upgrade only after one year.

 

[Knowimagination]

I think the chances of us getting underglass touch ID next year are about the same as getting the headphone jack back. Apple doesn't often remove tech and then put it back later.

 

[bufffilm]

I think the chances of us getting underglass touch ID next year are about the same as getting the headphone jack back. Apple doesn't often remove tech and then put it back later.

I tend to agree with your assessment of Apple.

But this time, I hope you (and I) are wrong.