Here's what IOS 10 reveals about iPhone 8-9-10 (and Steve Jobs)

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  1. gold333, Sep 9, 2016
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    This is what I think IOS 10 reveals about iPhone 8-9-10 and Jobs' input.

    2000-2001 Jony Ive designs the colorful iMac (rounded shapes)

    2002-2006 Jony Ive designs the iBook and iPods (white or black fronts, chrome rear) Rounded edges.

    2007 iPhone 1 is released which mimics iPod look. Chrome back, plastic front, rounded edges
    Same until iPhone 3GS.

    All IOS versions until then have mimicked these rounded shapes, until IOS 6.

    2010 iPhone 4 is released with pure input from Jobs not Ive (Ive had never iirc designed anything with square edges) Most are surprised at the squareness of iPhone 4. Remember Jobs: "we wanted it to remind you of a Leica camera." He was a 60's kid afterall. A Leica camera viewed from the front looks identical to an iPhone 4 viewed from the side but with the materials inverted.

    2012 iPhone 5 is released which is a design evolution of the 4. With Jobs dead Ive is free to use his preferred and more modern unibody aluminum. Jobs was against aluminum saying it aged horribly badly, whereas steel aged gracefully in the steel and glass 4. iPhone 5 has the same square shapes because it was approved when Jobs was still alive.

    Around this time IOS is heavily in need of an overhaul.

    2013 IOS 7 is released and mimics the "squarer" design language in Jobs' iphone 4 and its evolution the iPhone 5. IOS 7 is a work of art. IOS7 (to 9) design was like a high tech, "actual" futuristic version of that 80's neon pop culture future depicted in the movie Back to the Future Part II. Bright neon, yet high tech, clean and simple. No traces of the industrial age left. But IOS 7 (to 9) was an "actual 2015" version of the design language suggested in that 1989 film. Over the top, eye catching yet minimalist at the same time. A seemingly impossible combination which appeared to be the work of a genius. High tech made more high tech by minimalism.

    2013 With Jobs deceased Ive can return clean slate to his true love of rounded shapes per the pre-iPhone 4 era. iBook, iMac, iPod, iPhone 1-3GS.

    2014 iPhone 6 and up feature rounded, soft shapes, again.

    But with those hideous antenna bands! Jobs would have never approved imo. Here's Jobs (from the keynote) on the minimal 1/32nd of an inch (less than a mm) black line breaks on the steel antenna band of the 4: "What's this? These black lines. This is very UNLIKE Apple! Well it turns out..." And those were almost unnoticably thin breaks, compared to the thick bands on the 6 and 7. Also the raised camera on iPhone 7, etc. Again something Jobs would never have approved imo.

    Now there is a mismatch with the new iPhones 6-7 and IOS 7-9s hard, square shapes and so we see:

    2016 IOS 10 released with rounder shapes everywhere.



    So I'm guessing (if Apple is as internally consistent and future proof as it appears) the iPhone 8 and later will continue with the rounded shapes Ive loves. Perhaps experimenting with different materials now. Ceramics, etc. A phone with a maximal touch screen can only have so many different "shapes" if it is to have soft, rounded features. Now the issue is that the material aluminum has been around too long.

    It also sort of tells me what role Jobs played in the design process and how he was pretty much better in some ways than Ive, who isn't as good as his reputation seems to suggest (just look at iPhone 6 and IOS 10)

    So I think the future of iPhones will be rounded shapes and different materials such as ceramics. Also more gimmicks like perhaps finally a glowing Apple logo (EL plates anyone?), with different colors to indicate different events. The LED flash alert is way too outdated.



    Innovation and usability features will (I hope) genuinely blow us away, but seeing how IOS 10's primary innovations are aimed at 12 year olds (fireworks in messaging?) and Android defectors (ugly design) I'm scared as well.

    It does make sense though:

    1. Everyone already owns a smartphone, there is no market to attract people with what a smartphone can do. That leaves the only target market as being non-iPhone smartphone users (Android users). So for conversion you must design something they are used to, to reduce < conversion fear (so Android like features and therefore =unfortunately ugly, unintuitive design).

    2. The only people who ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, MUST have a new iPhone every year are 12-16 year old kids, so thats your market as well. And kids don't care that much about great design or maximising simplicity and minimalism, but more about confetti in their messages.

    Someone at Apple really knows alot about finance lol, because 1+2 is simple, dispassionate financial logic. :) But 1+2 leaves us with an ugly phone with features aimed at children. Jobs really did die and now Apple has become "the copycats".

    Obviously this is all my opinion but I wanted to put it out there.
     
  2. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Those "conclusions" (or basically generalizations) are interesting and all, but nothing to really say it's all the way it is because of them necessarily.
     
  3. lagwagon, Sep 9, 2016
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    The reason why the 4 and 4s has such a "slim" black antenna band was because the whole metal side that wrapped around the phone was built into and used as the antenna. So technically it had a larger (physically) antenna than the 6 and up phones.
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    This just turns your whole post south and into the trash. Aimed at 12 year olds? Really? That's such an ignorant thing to say. I guess you don't realize how popular those type of features are around the entire world and many platforms that offer similar things (Murica isn't the only place in the world ya know.) And guess what, it's not just 12 year olds who use them. Even though I don't personally use them, Apple is smart to include them in their own iMessage app.
     
  4. Natya Sadella macrumors regular

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    I dont think he is wrong when he says that the main feature of ios 10 is the new message app. And he is clearly right when he says that it looks like it was designed for 12 year old kids.

    Everyone who uses the new imessage animations and effects and so on must be a little child. Or a girl. I cant imagine that a real man sits in front of his iphone and sending this stupid imessage stuff designed for little girls. Maybe apple should give the messages app a pink colored theme with little ponys on it.
     
  5. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Your lack of "imagination" and simplistic stereotypes and generalities don't really change or affect the reality (aside from how you yourself perceive it, which doesn't change anything for anyone else).
     
  6. Natya Sadella macrumors regular

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    I assume you are using and enjoying deeply those new effects :(
     
  7. gold333 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I'm surprised you would think that I'm an American as the website link in my signature is a Dutch website. But regardless, in Europe we mostly use facebook messenger for friends and whatsapp for people we don't know, business contacts. There is a mentality of why pay for something if you don't have to. To use apple imessage would be a 50%-50% chance of them also using apple products, needing to check the blue color, etc. Whereas everyone already has whatsapp here so you know its free.

    And lets not be mean to each other and just focus on the facts. The fact is that kids simply are the largest market that renews smartphones every iteration (social status). You can't be seen with last years phone!

    So it's only logical that Apple adds things to messaging that kids will be enamoured by and which Android doesn't yet have. I'm 35. I don't particularly need to put confetti and ponies in messages. I'm just a little disappointed that that is all the (main) innovation Apple has put into the new IOS number. I had been hoping for more. In addition to that we lost the design of 7-9 which I had liked as described above.
     
  8. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    So what supports the "facts" that kids are the largest market and that they simply can't be seen with last year's phone? And how any of that relates to new messaging features (since supposedly kids will get the new phones and update anyway if they can't be seen with last year's stuff)?
     
  9. gold333 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Because kids message each other a lot more than people 20-25+. And the messaging features on IOS 10 are not available on Android so they are likely to choose/stick with iPhones rather than staying with/going over to Galaxy S8.

    It's naive to think Apple added these messaging features because grown up people like to put fireworks and cute ponies in messages.
     
  10. Dj64Mk7 macrumors 6502a

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    I know for me, being a teen, it's all about having the latest and greatest. Or rather, it WAS. Most of my friends are surprisingly up on what Apple announces nowadays, and, at least in 12th grade, most of us are mature enough to not judge someone based on whether they have the latest iPhone or not.

    That being said, I do miss the days where I could "show off" that I had the latest iOS or I was the first kid to have iPhone Plus, or even the first person I knew irl to have iPhone SE.

    But it's not about that anymore. We've matured. Kids are informed about technology like never before. For better or for worse.
     
  11. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    So basically correlations that are being tied together to form implications. Certainly the makings of a theory, but that's about it.
     
  12. Dj64Mk7 macrumors 6502a

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    There's a lot of assumptions here too.
     
  13. StonewallBrown macrumors regular

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    Yikes. Where to begin??
    None of my kids have EVER gotten a new version of the iPhone. They are always 1-3 versions behind. I have 7 children ranging in ages from 6-21.
    I use the messaging features with my kids, my wife AND friends and family. I'm 41 years old. Not 12.

    This thread reminds me of the ones torching Apple for the Rose Gold color release. Especially, the "No grown man" part. Pure silliness.

    You can and should use your device, in ways that make you happy or that are consistent with your personality. Deciding that your ways of using your device, is the only "right" way to do so, is where you lost your way. The post was at least an interesting take, till then.
     
  14. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Fairly good summary of it all.
     
  15. gold333 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Well I believe they are separate markets. Some people like bling, so apple made a gold phone. Girly-girls like pink (lets not go there and just assume its true) so Apple made a rosegold phone. I like white products (still have a white ibook and macbook somewhere!) so I buy white. All valid. Thank God we have choices.

    I'm not saying my way is the only way. I said that I do not care for the messaging animations on 10 and a group who messages heavily (kids) would love it (yes in addition to some adults too).

    I just said that I was disappointed it was the only flagpole innovation in 10. Just a specific innovation for primarily a certain group. Like the only innovation in iPhone 8 being a purple color option for people who are royalty.

    Anyhow, point of the post was that we are likely to see round shapes from now on. Which I'm excited about. Although I grew to love the 4 and 5 they looked odd at first. Curves are a part of Apple dna I guess.

    Trivia question: What recogniseable Apple item had curves when all the competition didn't?.
     
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    Wow. For 12 year old kids? I'm 26 and I hate Snapchat, but I really love the new effects in iMessage. Just wanted to say this.
     
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    OP is just ignorant, don't mind him.
     
  18. gold333 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    See it would be easy for me to return the favour and insult you.

    But I won't.
     
  19. Dj64Mk7 macrumors 6502a

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    That's very respectful of you.
     
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    Imessage is a ripoff of the Facebook messenger app
     
  21. LCPepper macrumors 6502

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    I'm from the UK, and by far we use iMessage over WhatsApp and Facebook. But then again, I can't speak for the whole of the UK, and you can't for the whole of Europe!

    I just avoid this problem, and only make friends with people with Apple devices! Haha.

    I thought the new iMessage was going to be a bit stupid, and in your face gimmicky; having played with it a bit, it's subtle, well implemented, and quite nice to use now and again. If you don't want it, it gets out of the way, and you don't have to use it. Unlike Facebook Messenger which is like boxing with your touch screen.
     
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    Whatsapp is the worst of all. That's why I'm using telegram for people who don't have an iPhone
     
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    iMessage came before the Facebook Messenger app... and nobody likes Facebook Messenger
     
  24. Dj64Mk7 macrumors 6502a

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    Agreed. It's a horrible app.
     
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    I'm 20 years now but I can say on behalf of my little cousins, nieces/nephews, and old friends in high school, that they don't care what model of iPhone others have.
    You seem very disconnected from this generation's kids. There are no social statuses, no 'popular' kids, no love for cheerleaders, or whatever crap Hollywood throws out into the media.
    With the exception of iOS 7, half of the younger iPhone users aren't going to pay any mind to that '1' notification on the settings app until they figure out that they don't have that particular emoji or seen the widgets on someone else's lock screen.
     

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