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Horizontal Lines in New Powerbooks

Not to doubt you, but I doubt you. LOL

I betcha that if someone who is bothered by the lines looks at your screen, they'll see them.

I'll also betcha that if you show your new PowerBook to someone who's never seen a previous PowerBook's screen, they'll NOT see the lines.

But who knows. Maybe Apple did start using a new screen in recent PBs? .. :)
 
aristobrat said:
Not to doubt you, but I doubt you. LOL

I betcha that if someone who is bothered by the lines looks at your screen, they'll see them.

I'll also betcha that if you show your new PowerBook to someone who's never seen a previous PowerBook's screen, they'll NOT see the lines.

But who knows. Maybe Apple did start using a new screen in recent PBs? .. :)
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i agree, yet i am debating whether to keep my 13 day old pb or not. i'm still on the fence. like if you go to cnet.com, that whole yellow/orange band.. you can see the banding effect. W8546 series

i just showed my gf and it took her a while to notice and even then she was like what's the big deal?
 
aristobrat said:
Not to doubt you, but I doubt you. LOL I betcha that if someone who is bothered by the lines looks at your screen, they'll see them. I'll also betcha that if you show your new PowerBook to someone who's never seen a previous PowerBook's screen, they'll NOT see the lines.
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*grin* You can doubt me all you want. All that matters is I see no lines. There are no lines there. I do graphic design, photo work, etc every day. I've seen the screens with the lines. Mine doesn't have them. Nor does it have the waveyness that some people have. I'm glad. I was prepared to live with it if it wasn't to bad. Not having the problem at all is wonderful!

But who knows. Maybe Apple did start using a new screen in recent PBs? .. :)
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I hope, for other people's sake, that this is the case. It would be nice if mine is not an exception and that all the currently shipping PowerBook 15" machines have beautiful screens. I do note that several other people have posted here and elsewhere that their recently aquired PowerBook 15" machines do _not_ have the lines. This is good.
 
Serial Numbers.....please!!!!

Good show, "pubwvj", the analysis of your photos being "clear" is really the most critical area.

In your excitement, you forgot to tell us the first 5 Serial numbers!!!

As you realize, it helps in tracking the progression of the multiple 15"PB issues.

Is the lower RAM slot functional? What is your total Ram?

Hope you really have a winner. As someone previously said, " ... we are buying $2000+ Apple lottery tickets." :rolleyes:

DIXIE :) :D
 
DIXIE said:
Good show, "pubwvj", the analysis of your photos being "clear" is really the most critical area.
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Yes, it is the most critical issue. That is what so many people have been complaining about and I'm glad my machine's screen doesn't have the alternate dark and light lines.

Serial numbers (please)
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W8542

Is the lower RAM slot functional? What is your total Ram?
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Not sure. I purchased it with just 512MB of RAM. After I've used it a while I'll probably max it out.

Cheers,

-Walter
in Vermont
 
pubwvj said:
Yes, it is the most critical issue. That is what so many people have been complaining about and I'm glad my machine's screen doesn't have the alternate dark and light lines.



W8542xxxxxx



Not sure. I purchased it with just 512MB of RAM. After I've used it a while I'll probably max it out.

Cheers,

-Walter
in Vermont
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I have a week 47 build, you have a week 42 build. My display has lines. Your PB was built in the same plant (Shanghai), as mine. I doubt very much you have a line free machine. Also, in the future you should not post your entire SN#. Only the W8542xxxxxx was needed.
 
Confused!

Hi Walt,

Only the first five characters W8542xxxxx are needed to determine the week of production. In your case it is the 42nd week of 2005.

Did you order this 15"PB from an Apple/Reseller Retail store or the Apple Online Store?

The confusing aspect is that reports of weeks 40 (first HiRes) thru 52 have generally indicated the infamous "lines" issue.

From your posting this is really turning into a lottery!

I strongly urge you to check out that lower RAM slot, before the no-fuss grace period expires. OWC has reliable OEM Samsung RAM.

http://eshop.macsales.com/

It is not my intention to be a wet blanket; I hope everything remains perfect for a fellow MacHead.

DIXIE
:) :)
 
DIXIE said:
Hi Walter, Only the first five characters W8542xxxxx are needed to determine the week of production. In your case it is the 42nd week of 2005.
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Edited. Thanks.

Did you order this 15"PB from an Apple/Reseller Retail store or the Apple Online Store?
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Amazon, who took forever to ship. I ordered on the 12th of December and was told it would ship out immediately. It didn't ship until the 22nd and I got it on the 28th. Oh, well. Good thing I was _not_ in a rush. :)

The confusing aspect is that reports of weeks 40 (first HiRes) thru 52 have generally indicated the infamous "lines" issue. From your posting this is really turning into a lottery!
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That it does. I waited to order later with the idea that maybe Apple would fix the issue and when mine showed no signs of lines I hoped that might be the case. Sounds like I'm just living a charmed life or due for some good luck... :) "More, please sir..."

I strongly urge you to check out that lower RAM slot, before the no-fuss grace period expires. OWC has reliable OEM Samsung RAM.
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I will do that. I want to upgrade to 2GB so that I have lots of RAM for XPlane, uh, I mean doing large photo edits... :)

It is not my intention to be a wet blanket; I hope everything remains perfect for a fellow MacHead.
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Aye, me too!
 
PeterKG said:
I have a week 47 build, you have a week 42 build. My display has lines. Your PB was built in the same plant (Shanghai), as mine. I doubt very much you have a line free machine.
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Line free, no dead pixels, no waveyness. Photo at:

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2011040#post2011040

The real screen looks a lot better than the photo. It is much smoother and the color is better. The slight blue/purple cast is due to my reef aquarium tank lights.

Note, I'm not trying to sell you anything. But after reading about so many people having problems with the lines I think it behooves us all to know that is not always the case. I was almost scared off from buying a PB15 due to all the discussion on the lines issue. I finally decided to go for it when I read of several other people who had gotten line free screens. I'm glad I got it.

The real question is what percentage of the machines have the problems? Unfortunately a poll will not give a valid sampling because people who have the lines are more likely to report thus biasing the results. The discussion lists certainly don't give a good representation since they just show the problem does exist for some people with some machines. It would be great to have a good scientific answer to the question. Apple is very closed mouthed about this sort of thing so we may not know for months or ever.
 
pubwvj said:
Line free, no dead pixels, no waveyness. Photo at:

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2011040#post2011040

The real screen looks a lot better than the photo. It is much smoother and the color is better. The slight blue/purple cast is due to my reef aquarium tank lights.

Note, I'm not trying to sell you anything. But after reading about so many people having problems with the lines I think it behooves us all to know that is not always the case. I was almost scared off from buying a PB15 due to all the discussion on the lines issue. I finally decided to go for it when I read of several other people who had gotten line free screens. I'm glad I got it.

The real question is what percentage of the machines have the problems? Unfortunately a poll will not give a valid sampling because people who have the lines are more likely to report thus biasing the results. The discussion lists certainly don't give a good representation since they just show the problem does exist for some people with some machines. It would be great to have a good scientific answer to the question. Apple is very closed mouthed about this sort of thing so we may not know for months or ever.
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Unfortunately, the photo you've taken is of too poor quality to be able to tell for sure. Make sure to set your digital camera to best quality, right now, there are heavy artifacts. Also, increase the resolution and photograph the blue background in the top left corner so we really have something to compare.
 
supersalzme said:
Where did you get yours?
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he already said, amazon.

lucky you...i'm still holding out hope tbh. i have faith that apple will fix this, i've been told by each apple technician that this IS a fault, and i have my case number :)
 
supersalzme said:
Where did you get yours?
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Amazon. I bought there because they were offering a $200 rebate bringing the price down to $1799. I also went with them because they told me they would be able to ship it immediately. They didn't. I ordered on the 12th but it did not ship until the 20th and I did not receive it until the 28th. I'm glad I wasn't in a rush. :) The same shipment did have three other Christmas presents all of which were 'guaranteed delivery' by Christmas. So we got to streatch it out. :)
 
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Originally Posted by pubwvj
Okay Wombat, new photos. Check out this:

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...94#post2011694

I put it with the other photo to keep things together.

There are lines, clearly visible, sorry mate.
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Wombert,

If I squint my eyes almost to closing, while viewing the enlarged thumbnail, there appears to be an extremely slight difference in shading from one pixel row to the other one below.

Are you referring to those very, very faint alternate shades of horizontal blue as the "lines" on this extreme enlargement?

If so, where would this "issue" come into play?

pubwvj states that he is a photo person and doesn't have a problem in an area that is certainly sensitive to any defect in the screen.

Please clarify. :confused:

DIXIE
:(
 
Wombert said:
There are lines, clearly visible, sorry mate.
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Give.It.Up.

The guy said that he has seen PB's with the lines. He knows what to look for. He is saying they aren't there. Plus, you take any closeup photo of a screen and it's gonna look like the pic he posted.

Just be happy for him and look at it as a positive sign that Apple may be doing something to fix this issue.

Negativity leads to old age...:p
 
3dit3r said:
Give.It.Up.

The guy said that he has seen PB's with the lines. He knows what to look for. He is saying they aren't there. Plus, you take any closeup photo of a screen and it's gonna look like the pic he posted.

Just be happy for him and look at it as a positive sign that Apple may be doing something to fix this issue.

Negativity leads to old age...:p
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curious... how is it that apple is doing something positive based on his 42 whatever series... yet it's still showing up consistently on even 47+ series like mine?
 
3dit3r said:
Give.It.Up.

The guy said that he has seen PB's with the lines. He knows what to look for. He is saying they aren't there. Plus, you take any closeup photo of a screen and it's gonna look like the pic he posted.

Just be happy for him and look at it as a positive sign that Apple may be doing something to fix this issue.

Negativity leads to old age...:p
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Hey, I *am*thrilled for him...I'm also thrilled that Apple replaced my bad 15"s with a 17" without issues. The only reason I brought it up is that mentioning the lines being present in the Apple Hardware Test resulted in a LOT better treatment from the Apple techs on the phone.
 
Colleagues, the problem with the lines is really exist!
Hundreds of users write about it on the forums. There are two questions: when the defect will be officially recognized by Apple and when solution will be offered.

However, here comes a man that says he bought the PowerBook and its screen is perfect! The point of his emails is - "just buy PowerBooks"! There are no problems with that! Moreover, he become to assure that problem never exist and most of users just imagine it! In fact he pushing them to buy it but to be more honest he would warned everyone that buying PowerBooks is a lottery.

What can i say about that defect. When you open picture on the screen (for example http://crankycat.com/pb15_problems.png) - IT MUST LOOK identically in every part of the screen. When you open it on the PowerBook screen, "cranky cat" picture looks different when you moving it. What kind of proof do you want?

Shame on Apple that knows about that problem but many users have to prove it every time for their payed money.
 
Now besides faint horizontal lines I just noticed a dead pixel when I'm running the flurry background... My powerbook is only 2 weeks old!
deadpixel.jpg
 
BENJMNS said:
curious... how is it that apple is doing something positive based on his 42 whatever series... yet it's still showing up consistently on even 47+ series like mine?
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Where exactly did that poster say the problem was fixed?

All I see is a hopeful speculation that the issue may have been resolved.
 
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