the point is software. At the end of the day overall most agree that android is a close second behind the iPhone os. Apple IMO is a better software company which important when you build any device. Aside from some design elements why do people buy a mac? Software is a big reason.
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the point is software. At the end of the day overall most agree that android is a close second behind the iPhone os. Apple IMO is a better software company which important when you build any device. Aside from some design elements why do people buy a mac? Software is a big reason.
I absolutely agree with you about Apple being a software company. And while I do agree that stock Android doesn't seem as polished as iPhone OS, the Sense UI I feel looks just as polished. Any minor differences are tolerable for me to have an open development platform.
You may have had a point 1.5 - 2 years ago, but that's no longer the case. Android 2.1 with Sense UI on the right hardware comes pretty darn close in "spit and polish" level of the latest iPhoneOS.
iPhoneOS is hardly "superior", if you put it side by side with Android 2.1. iPhoneOS doesn't multitask, the notification system is terrible, the springboard is still circa 2008, there is no support for widgets, home screen is useless, doesn't allow for any customization, doesn't allow for side-loading of apps.. Need I go on?
You basically have to jailbreak iPhoneOS to get half the functionality of Android 2.1 out of the box. So no, iPhone is badly behind both hardware and software wise. Apple needs to wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late.
I still honestly believe it's goig to take a lot more for android to move forward. Apple not only does the phone well. But support, apple store, genius bar, etc is why they succeed. For now I don't picture kids and seniors using android. Apple is just better at making an easier cleaner UI and user experience. My suggestion is to wait for the new iPhone before making any decisions.
Should be an interesting summer.
Both my parents are using Android now. Also, I don't know that Apple's support is any better than any carriers support. I've had to wait longer at Apple than I ever did when I got my phone serviced at Sprint. At Sprint I just walked up and handed it to them and they fixed it. Apple I have to go and take a number and sit around for a long time at the Apple Store. I normally don't mind because I get to play with gadgets.
As for seeing what the next gen iPhone has to offer, that's always a good idea. The EVO was one reason I didn't jump on that Nexus One train when I was so close. I needed to see what was out there. Now since I'm waiting until "Summer" for the release I might as well see what Apple has to offer.
Both my parents are using Android now. Also, I don't know that Apple's support is any better than any carriers support. I've had to wait longer at Apple than I ever did when I got my phone serviced at Sprint. At Sprint I just walked up and handed it to them and they fixed it. Apple I have to go and take a number and sit around for a long time at the Apple Store. I normally don't mind because I get to play with gadgets.
As for seeing what the next gen iPhone has to offer, that's always a good idea. The EVO was one reason I didn't jump on that Nexus One train when I was so close. I needed to see what was out there. Now since I'm waiting until "Summer" for the release I might as well see what Apple has to offer.
The unfortunate truth which I stated before is that it's taken 3years for other companies to catch up to apples insane leap of technology but they have and now are surpassing them. Apple didn't need to do anything too drastic in 2009 just upgrade processor camera graphics etc. Now that developers are allowed on the android os and the hardware if far superior it's the first time since the iPhone came out that apple needs to make another leap in technology to maintain it's stronghold as a trend setter.
Everything google touches turns to gold I cannot believe how fast they have rose to the top and this new phone seems like it's in a league of it's own...
Come this summer if the new iPhone doesn't blow me away (crossing fingers) I may have to switch to the enemy...
Apple has one thing that it is winning at in the smart phone wars and that is Apps.
In terms of OS, Email, and specs the iphone is losing to Android, Palm and RIM.
Truth and RIM is killing in the security email and business sector. The next release of iPhone needs to be earth shattering to keep up HTC paired up with google is a mean combo...
Bottom line is android 70% of apple developers are now coding for android so it will just be a matter of time before all the worthwhile apps are on both phones then iPhone has next to nothing on the competition
I just hate HTC and android in general purely on the fact that they don't treat certain markets as well as they treat others. By the time the Milestone came out in Canada, the Nexus one was released. Now they finally say the Nexus is available for just about all canadian carriers, then the HTC Evo gets announced and will be released in a bit...
That phone will never come within 1 foot of a Canadian carrier for months and months and months, possible even a year. And by then? It will have been one upped on several occasions. And for a techy like me, and lots of us here, that stings and sucks.
Apple on the other hand has the iPhone with almost every carrier in Canada, very respectable. And I'm sure if google didn't push for it, we wouldn't even have the nexus one on a variety of carriers. HTC isn't taking advantage of a market who love their smart phones, and it's a damn shame. Even if there is no 4G here, you know what I'm getting at.
Not even talking about the Evo specifically, all we have is their very very old phones. Why do they hate us =p
I know this is somewhat of a personal rant but still.
That phone will never come within 1 foot of a Canadian carrier for months and months and months, possible even a year. And by then? It will have been one upped on several occasions. And for a techy like me, and lots of us here, that stings and sucks.
Apple on the other hand has the iPhone with almost every carrier in Canada, very respectable. And I'm sure if google didn't push for it, we wouldn't even have the nexus one on a variety of carriers. HTC isn't taking advantage of a market who love their smart phones, and it's a damn shame. Even if there is no 4G here, you know what I'm getting at.
Not even talking about the Evo specifically, all we have is their very very old phones. Why do they hate us =p
I know this is somewhat of a personal rant but still.
I can understand your pain. I remember when the HTC Touch Pro (HD1 or whatever it was) was out and we in the USA never got it until it was redesigned and dubbed the Touch Pro2. By then I was fed up with Windows Mobile and bided my time for the Palm Pre.
The Evo is a great phone on paper, and with Android it will stomp any phone not on a 4G network with those hardware specs and app store. The only thing I wish it had was multitasking. I know it MAY come in the future, but Web OS has me spoiled. Once you use 5 or 6 cards at a time and switch between apps while other apps are loading you'll never want to go back to the single tasking other phones do.
I guess I really wish Palm would get it's act together and port Web OS to HTC phones or make a Palm Pre PRO with the specs of the Evo. That phone may finally pull me away from my 6 year history with Palm.
p.s. I wish the iPhone was on every carrier in US. You don't have to explain the CDMA stuff here newbies I know.... I am just saying. I am also glad to see other members that get and fully understand that Apple is behind. Don't give them that much credit, they fell behind in early 2009 IMHO. The App Store isn't going to be enough to keep them afloat . . . as many have said before, in a NON-FLAMING way, Apple just has the hype to keep users coming to and staying with the iPhone.
Heh, that situation sounds crappy.
As for Apple, they'll always get first dibs on me as a consumer not just because the phones are fantastic and all that jazz, but because they don't screw Canadians over. And believe me, we get screwed over by just about everything. You Americans take things for granted sometimes, trust me
As for Apple, they'll always get first dibs on me as a consumer not just because the phones are fantastic and all that jazz, but because they don't screw Canadians over. And believe me, we get screwed over by just about everything. You Americans take things for granted sometimes, trust me
Heh, that situation sounds crappy.
As for Apple, they'll always get first dibs on me as a consumer not just because the phones are fantastic and all that jazz, but because they don't screw Canadians over. And believe me, we get screwed over by just about everything. You Americans take things for granted sometimes, trust me
Don't sweat it, you guys and gals aren't the only people in the world that are screwed over.
The first iPhone wasn't on very many carriers.
The Milestone is Motorola.
HTC has many phones in different markets actually... They just usually go by slightly different names. Seeing as the EVO is being Sprint branded, I don't see it getting to any other carriers. Maybe a modified version or in a year it'll do what the Pre has done.
Ummm, I think you need to look up the HTC Wikipedia page. They have been making phones since 1997, long before Apple was ever dreaming up an iphone. Here is a short list of what HTC has done...
First Windows PDA (1998)
First Windows Phone (June 2002)
First 3G CDMA EVDO smartphone (October 2005)
First gesture-based smartphone (June 2007)
First Google Android smartphone (October 2008)
First 4G WIMAX smartphone (November 2008)
The O2 XDA by HTC was the first 3.5-inch color touch screen smartphone in the world in 2002. and T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition The T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition by HTC was the first 3.5-inch color touch screen smartphone in the United States in 2002.
Haha, I almost asked him what this "insane leap in technology" was, but I don't know if it's worth arguing. Apple did good. No tech leaps though. Most things had been done before. Multitouch was innovative, but hardly an insane leap. The OS was nice and done better than others but not a leap.
If you read what I said I said htc AND android in general (when I mentioned milestone coming out later, then nexus coming out). And I believe all the phones from HTC in canada are straight garbage and 9180391 years old.
And it doesn't matter how the iPhone was handled when it was first released, as of now it's on almost all carriers in Canada, and we get them at the same time as americans as well. That is respectable. I respect google for getting it done on the Nexus front, and who knows if Apple drops the ball in the summer I might get one.
Anyone know if a better Android phone is likely to come out by summer time that will be available on more than one carrier? Or is the Nexus basically it....?
I've seen a lot of pretty phones from htc. I am using the touch diamond. However, without a great selection of apps, why do need all of the processing power? The internet?
I would rather stay with sprint than move to at&t, but unless a really good app store shows up, I will be getting the new iphone, even if some of the hardware is behind. I'm tired of watching people with iphones use their phones for seemingly everything while my phone with great specs -at the time it was bought- couldn't do anything.
I would rather stay with sprint than move to at&t, but unless a really good app store shows up, I will be getting the new iphone, even if some of the hardware is behind. I'm tired of watching people with iphones use their phones for seemingly everything while my phone with great specs -at the time it was bought- couldn't do anything.
Lol ok dorks, the leap was a revolutionairy phone with no keyboard just touch screen, amazing touch technology and simply put a new way of using a phone... For gods sake the "Q" was one of the best phones at the time WTF??? Lol
anyways it was a full screen of brilliance!!! And that was the technology I'm speaking of, a revolutioary phone...
Secondly I know htc has been making phones for a long time... In the past 3 years the iPhone and RIM have been on the forefront of the smartphone world.
Palm has tried to jump into the mix with the pre which unfortunately has failed and may be the end of the company (read an article).
As stated before it's taken 3 years since the origional iPhone for other companies to "CATCH UP" and now they have in every area, email, Internet, touch technology, hardware and software...
This is the first time apple has been up against the wall with the iPhone and threatened in every category... It will be a summer to remember....
I think a more accurate way to say that was "Apple's amazing blend of hardware and software." It wasn't a huge technological leap, but still something nobody had come close to at the time. And don't forget all the people saying the iPhone had no chance without a physical keyboard.
If people expect the new iPhone to just be a processor and RAM bump, I think they're in for a big surprise.
Ever stop to think its the carriers? Also, i'm not sure if you guys have an FCC, or equivelent, but perhaps thats where the ball is being dropped?
I mean honestly, why wouldnt HTC and/or Google(Android) want to sell as many phones in as many markets as possible? That's as dumb as touting that your users, can talk an surf the web simultaneously when we all know in reality the iPhone drops more calls than Leary did Acid... Quoted right from HTC's response to Apple's patent claims, classic!I have had a smart phone since Sprint has offered them way back in like 03, i think. Anyways, they have mostly been HTC, and the Diamond was the worst of them. Plus its only running WinMo6.1 at best, unless you frequent the Xda Dev forum, which was just lipstick on the same old WinMo5. I jumped ship from WinMo to Android when i bought my HTC Hero, and honestly I would compare the user experience like switching from a windows PC to a MacBook. Yes, its that big of a difference. I am a technology whore, but I wouldnt take an iPhone even if it was free, and had unlimited everything for life. I have an jailbroken iPod touch for games and music, but seriously who wants a phone that you have to hack it just to be able to do standard things that other smart phones do out of the box?
It's probably a mix of both because the same logic could be used to say otherwise. You think carriers don't want the best phones to attract the most customers?Ever stop to think its the carriers? Also, i'm not sure if you guys have an FCC, or equivelent, but perhaps thats where the ball is being dropped?
I doubt they are sitting there picking and choosing from the huge selection what phones they'd like to sell. They have to be manufactured for them.
I don't know the technical parts of it all so I could be wrong, but sounds like it makes sense, either way, even if you were right it doesn't make the problem any less. Still sucks balls. I don't care if the blame is on HTC or on a carrier, outcome still blows.
Yep, its give and take... You get free healthcare, we got smartphones first...
Also, I still think its the carriers. Of course they want the best phones to attract more clientele, but do they really want to pay the licensing for every OS/Phone Maker? Probably not...
Did you not READ what I posted?
HTC was making touch screen phones as early as 2002, Apple did NOTHING new five years later in 2007. Software? You honestly think the iphone has killer software? please...iphone couldnt even handle MMS messaging until recently
Here are a few things it cant do other phones have been able to for years. Correct if there is now an "app" for one of these.No Bluetooth transfer of media
No message forwarding
No sharing multiple contacts
No custom ringtones
No copy/paste
The hardware isnt too great either as you cant replace the battery or expand the internal memory via SD cards as you can with every other phone on the market for years.
THIS PHONE IS BEASTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!! If iPhone 4G has the same hardware this summer and only some software improvements than I'm definitely getting this phoneI CANT WAIT
I CANT WAIT