I can't decide Xbox 360 Elite or a PS3

[steamboat26]

is the elite worth the extra price?

does it have the same hardware problems?

No it's not worth the extra, any music, photos, and videos you want can be streamed to the 360. You don't need 120 GB for game saves, Live Arcade games, and demos. And HDMI 1.2 doesn't really add much, especially when you can just use a VGA cable (which looks really good).
I would assume it has the same problems, they didn't update the processors for the elite, although they supposedly started to implement new heatsinks in all 360s

 

[0098386]

No benefit of using HDMI over VGA. VGA allows upscaling DVDs.

 

[Coded-Dude]

No benefit of using HDMI over VGA. VGA allows upscaling DVDs.

VGA and DVI have different benefits and problems.

DVI has a very limited bandwidth and is poor when transmitting signals over long distances. This means that you can't send very high resolution settings. Being a digital signal though, you don't get any ghosting or smearing on the screen.

VGA is actually a poor description of a compact RGBHV connector (as VGA relates to the screen resolution). RGBHV has a much higher bandwidth (ie. you can send higher resolution images at a higher frequency than DVI) but as an analogue signal you can get ghosting and other problems if you use poor quality cables. Distances depend very much upon the cable you're using.

btw - HDMI is essential DVI(with sound support as well)

 

[Jovian9]

I'll help you a bit with a correction,

The 360 & PS3 are serious consoles and the Wii is a overpriced novelty act.

Ed

No one cares about the Wii in this thread. Please don't try to get another topic off track with this remark. This thread is about the 360 and PS3.

To the OP; you stated in the original post that you don't have any "real" interest in HD-DVD or Blu-Ray and you do not have an HDTV yet.....I really think you should consider the games and the ability to stream media and not worry about the extras that do not affect you. Streaming on the 360 is awesome. I use Connect360 and can stream everything from iTunes. I've encoded nearly 100 DVD's now into a format for my TV and these movies also play back on my 360 over my 'g' network (flawlessly).....as well as streaming photos and music. I will never need to upgrade my 20GB hard drive to the 120GB one. The main reason I love my 360 is the online play. I gladly pay $50/year for Xbox Live....it is that good. A majority of my gaming on the 360 is online with friends or "online" friends or playing the great library of 'Arcade' games the 360 is accumulating.

However, if I did not have a 360, I'd be debating this question as well. But high-def movies DO matter to me and Blu-Ray seems to have a lot more movies I'm interested in, but the PS3 has a lot less games that I'm interested in. For me it would probably be a close battle to choose b/t the two and the winner would be the 360, mainly b/c I can't stand the controller design that has been around for more than 10 years (which the PS3 has).

I did have a disc scratching issue. My GoW disc was scratched badly. I shipped it off to Microsoft, they sent me a new machine and I got it around a week after shipping them mine. It was free and they threw in a free month of Xbox Live. My badly scratched up GoW disc plays flawlessly in this machine. No one I know with a 360 has had heat issues.

Games and Online Gaming = 360
High definition movie watching for your future HDTV = PS3

 

[zero2dash]

Are you trying to tell me it will have less B/C than the European model?

No, it's the same % of BC as the Euro one now that they EE was removed in the 80gig. Which is less than 100%, meaning it's not fully backwards compatible. Semantics aside...100% is 100%. Even if it's 10 titles and they're all hentai mahjong titles that only sold two copies that aren't compatible - it still makes it 99% which isn't 100% which isn't fully backwards compatible.

The ONLY time the PS3 may "lose" more B/C is when/if they decide to finally remove the GS chip.

For the most part, the backwards compatibility is there and it works.

The 360 BC is a joke, I'd never say otherwise. Half the titles on the list are garbage (Barbie Horse Adventures? WTF?? ) but great titles like Otogi are absent.

I just bring up my points because Jack Flash posted incorrect data which is that the Ps3 is fully backwards compatible, and it isn't fully backwards compatible. Hell the Ps2 suffered the same fate. They're [size=+2]far better off than Microsoft[/size], but...don't believe the 100% hype.

 

[Coded-Dude]

I agree with you Z2D.....its not 100%
(don't believe I said otherwise )

I was just trying to make clear to the people that thought the list of games that aren't already B/C would grow.
(which is in theory possible, considering they tested the S/W emulation on PAL region, not NTSC)

Of course you can bet your arse that most(if not all) major selling titles will have virtually no issues with S/W emulation.

Oh and on a side note...this is for PS2 emulation only.
PS3 is 100% B/C with ALL PS1 games.

cheers

 

[zero2dash]

I agree with you Z2D.....its not 100%
(don't believe I said otherwise )

Agreed...no prob.

I was just trying to make clear to the people that thought the list of games that aren't already B/C would grow.
(which is in theory possible, considering they tested the S/W emulation on PAL region, not NTSC)

Of course you can bet your arse that most(if not all) major selling titles will have virtually no issues with S/W emulation.

[incoming Microsoft rib]
I just hope they're better on choosing "major selling titles" than Microsoft.

Seriously. Let's see some sales numbers on Barbie Horse Adventures, eh Microsoft? 'Cause I guarantee Otogi and Beyond Good & Evil (both absent) outsold it.

[this concludes the preceding Microsoft rib. thank you, have a great day]

 

[Jack Flash]

Just so you know, every PS3 I've run into in the US has been fully backwards compatible. My statement was true.

 

[0098386]

Just so you know, every PS3 I've run into in the US has been fully backwards compatible. My statement was true.

Every Euro PS3 I've run into hasn't been fully backwards compatible.

 

[e²Studios]

Every Euro PS3 I've run into hasn't been fully backwards compatible.

Every 360 worldwide isn't fully backwards compatible. Nor is the Backwards compatibility anything like the PS3's. The PS3 has a HUGE leg up on the 360 as far as Backwards compat goes.

Ed

 

[0098386]

Every 360 worldwide isn't fully backwards compatible. Nor is the Backwards compatibility anything like the PS3's. The PS3 has a HUGE leg up on the 360 as far as Backwards compat goes.

Ed

And? I'm sorry did I or anyone else in this thread say otherwise?

 

[MRU]

I don't get it. The 'big' deal over BC ?


Your buying a console ps3/360 getting on for nearly 1 and 2 years of age respectivly and your arguing about backwards compatability...

In the next few months there are going to be so many great games on both, that if BC is still such a big deal rather than just getting on with some serious NG gaming, then you need to ask yourself why did I spend $500 or more.....

 

[0098386]

Because the Gamecube had Smash Bros Melee and my TV only has so many inputs?

I still play Halo 1, I know I know it's not cool to play old games but a huge chunk of last gen is still better than this gen.

 

[ReanimationLP]

Agreed...no prob.



[incoming Microsoft rib]
I just hope they're better on choosing "major selling titles" than Microsoft.

Seriously. Let's see some sales numbers on Barbie Horse Adventures, eh Microsoft? 'Cause I guarantee Otogi and Beyond Good & Evil (both absent) outsold it.

[this concludes the preceding Microsoft rib. thank you, have a great day]

But..but...but

I love Barbie Horse Adventures!

I was being sarcastic, of course.

 

[MRU]

Because the Gamecube had Smash Bros Melee and my TV only has so many inputs?

I still play Halo 1, I know I know it's not cool to play old games but a huge chunk of last gen is still better than this gen.

Well yeah ok with the wii and cube I understand BC but not for ps3 or 360.

Hell if it wasnt for cube games playing on the wii - i wouldn't be playing anything on it.

By the way I got the wii-key done, and I thought I'd be able to play my cube NTSC imports without running Freeloader, but no luck at all. Everytime I try to start one all I get is a black screen. Hope I didn't waste €80

 

[tim2006]

can't understand the BC discussion. I could not play ps2 games 5 yrs ago compared to xbox 1. who would want to play old/clipping games on a new hdtv? How about the post 360 vs ps3.

360
1) halo 3
2) madden at 60 fps most 3rd party better on 360
3) more games

PS3
1) bluray
2) now cheaper when you add wireless to elite same price when you add wireless to pro.

 

[0098386]

who would want to play old/clipping games on a new hdtv?

Um, me? Like I said if the old game is better than the new game - why should old graphics matter?

 

[Jovian9]

Um, me? Like I said if the old game is better than the new game - why should old graphics matter?

Agreed!!!!!

Regardless of whether a game is 'new' and in HD, I want to play games I enjoy. There are hundreds of 'old' games that I enjoy and very few current generation. Thank goodness for backwards compatibility/emulation, the Xbox Live Arcade, and the Wii Virtual Console.

 

[steamboat26]

the PS3 doesn't have versions of some of the great PS2 like God of War 1 and 2, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Gran Turismo (3 and 4), and countless others

 

[Jovian9]

the PS3 doesn't have versions of some of the great PS2 like God of War 1 and 2, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Gran Turismo (3 and 4), and countless others

Seriously? No Shadow of the Colossus, God of War or Gran Turismos? Those are some of the greatest PS2 games. #'s don't give anyone a "huge leg up" in this department....quality does.

 

[e²Studios]

There is a Gran Tourismo demo since December, with a new one on the way.

G0W III is in the pipeline..

Jesus people do your homework before you post things that you obviously have no clue about.

Ed

 

[Jack Flash]

There is a Gran Tourismo demo since December, with a new one on the way.

G0W III is in the pipeline..

Jesus people do your homework before you post things that you obviously have no clue about.

Ed

That doesn't change the fact that you can't play them now... hence backwards compatibility.

 

[e²Studios]

That doesn't change the fact that you can't play them now... hence backwards compatibility.

I can play every game mentioned on my PS3, care to comment more on things you know nothing about? This is how false rumors get started, by ignorant people that have no first hand knowledge and are unwilling to educated themselves, yet they think that their ASSumptions are correct.

Ed

 

[zero2dash]

Every 360 worldwide isn't fully backwards compatible. Nor is the Backwards compatibility anything like the PS3's. The PS3 has a HUGE leg up on the 360 as far as Backwards compat goes.

Ed

Nobody's said otherwise.

The only BC talk was that the Ps3 BC was not 100%, and while proven wrong time and time again, Mr. Jack Flash here doesn't want to admit it to himself.

No one said squat about the 360 being more compatible than the Ps3, in fact I've ragged on the 360 for having lackluster BC in games that it should, as opposed to games that it does.

 

[Jovian9]

I can play every game mentioned on my PS3, care to comment more on things you know nothing about? This is how false rumors get started, by ignorant people that have no first hand knowledge and are unwilling to educated themselves, yet they think that their ASSumptions are correct.

Ed

If you are going to insult others please take a brief moment and use the word educate properly Spelling and grammar are NOT the most important thing on an internet forum, but lets be honest here, referring to people as ignorant while misspelling educate (educated) is a mistake that pretty much takes any chance of you (and your insult) being taken seriously and throws it out the door. Kind of ironic.

Nobody's said otherwise.

The only BC talk was that the Ps3 BC was not 100%, and while proven wrong time and time again, Mr. Jack Flash here doesn't want to admit it to himself.

No one said squat about the 360 being more compatible than the Ps3, in fact I've ragged on the 360 for having lackluster BC in games that it should, as opposed to games that it does.

Agreed. Neither are where they need to be (360 or PS3). There are good games from previous gens that need to make it to the 360 and PS3. Neither system is perfect.

Why do some people feel the need to "go to bat" for a system over and over around here? I love my Wii and my 360 but they are both flawed. If someone says something negative about the Wii or 360 I don't defend it and then start attacking the PS3 b/c of it. I listen to what others opinions are and try to understand their point of view. Sometimes I agree and sometimes I do not.

Any logical person should be able to accept that none of these systems cure cancer, fight world hunger, create peace, or even make you dinner. Not a single one of them are perfect and without flaw. Take a deep breath, accept the flaws and the people pointing them out, and enjoy your system

I am a long time member of MacRumors and am on here almost daily. I've been playing video games since the early 80's and have owned ALOT of games and systems. I can appreciate them all for what they are/were good at. Part of the reason I enjoy coming to MacRumors is that I can be on one forum and read about Apple-related stuff and Video-game-related stuff. But the 'Console Games' Forum (and the Apple Games section before a sub-forum was created) is ridiculous. The same arguments over-and-over. It would seem that this is a waste of a lot of peoples time and no one can be gaining any intelligence from the repetition of this, can they? It is honestly the only part of MacRumors that ever bothers me.

Enjoy your PS3....enjoy your Wii....enjoy your 360.....after all, that's the point of each system regardless of what they can/cannot do.

/end rant

Lets get this thread back on track

To the OP, Steve Jobless; did you ever decide on a system?