I can't decide Xbox 360 Elite or a PS3

[noodle654]

Here is a video on comparison of the PS3 vs. Xbox 360 --->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS89c-8fYtc'

As for overheating. It does exist, type in on Google: PS3 Overheating. Even on Youtube. All systems have overheating issues, there is nothing you can do about it (unless you block air flow and just dont use your head on where you put it). I have nothing else to say because all systems will generate heat during use.

 

[Jovian9]

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(If Jovian the local grammar police dissaproves of my grammar or spelling he can kiss my ***)

Grammar is fine............................................this time Spelling may be a bit off though.....not sure what *** spells

 

[progx]

Alright. If game length has nothing to with media size, then I should be able to fit 120 minutes of music onto CD, right? It doesn't matter on song length, they should fit. Oh wait, different song lengths, and only 80 minutes maximum. Kinda sounds like the compact disc limit, just like an 8.5 GB dual layer DVD versus a 25 GB single layer Blu ray. There's a fact for you.

Oh, I got the 360 for a three year warranty. Wow. What a deal! So, when my system burns up, or the dreaded red lights of doom, Microsoft will happily replace my system with a smile. Usually around three months or so, maybe six, you'll see your new, refurbished, Xbox 360. Within in that time frame, you would have already cussed out the Wal-Mart clerk, or Gamestop and FYE, too. Claiming that the retailers are responsible. I work in retail, we ain't giving you anything if you bought your 360 two months ago. Past the 30 day policy and you have to call Microsoft if something goes wrong first. And you probably didn't buy a warranty with either anyway, since you were getting a three-year with <b>Microsoft</b>, not the retailer.

And it won't even be the one you bought and you'll have a limited 90-day warranty and re-register your machine.

Thanks for the video. I'd be able to view it, if it wasn't malformed! Didn't I mention the PS3 goes to sleep if it's overheated. The unit monitors its temperature. Another expensive component, probably, but effective.

These are all graphics systems. The Sixaxis is worthless, and the Xbox 360 is like every other console, you sit on your ass, get fat and play games. Nintendo's new system is the only, new, innovation in the video game market today. Who cares about graphics! That's what movies are for! Wow, this system can output this many frames per second, wait a minute, what are my give a damns a minute, definitely zero for those two systems.

I'm a Nintendo fan first, then Sony second. The 360 is better than the first Xbox, but not anything special. It's only special because "It's American made!" and everything is socialist. Just like a national health care system.

Why don't you ask the Japanese what they're playing? Or how bout the Europeans? It ain't either of those two systems. Nintendo owns this generation already, and over 2 million, American, consumers can't be wrong.

And the 360, sold about 700,000 units last quarter. Ouch. The PS3, not worth mentioning. If you want a great system, it's the Wii. Because, Sony and Microsoft take note, it's FUN!

 

[Chone]

Alright. If game length has nothing to with media size, then I should be able to fit 120 minutes of music onto CD, right? It doesn't matter on song length, they should fit. Oh wait, different song lengths, and only 80 minutes maximum. Kinda sounds like the compact disc limit, just like an 8.5 GB dual layer DVD versus a 25 GB single layer Blu ray. There's a fact for you.

And what exactly does that fact prove to me? It is easy throwing around facts (and even some people are inept at that) but actually making those facts have some coherence with the subject at hand and actually being relevant... well thats harder and some people, like you for instance, will utterly fail at it.

You can't compare audio with a game. A song or audio is only comprised of one type of file and length has a direct proportional relation with the size of which file. So only 80 minutes will fit of uncompressed audio. But many more minutes can fit of say FLAC lossless and the quality is the same... So EVEN your Audio CD analogy fails. It relates on no level to a video game but it still fails, but whatever.

Now a game isn't compromised of only one type of file and length has NO relation whatsoever with the size of these files. A Final Fantasy game back on the SNES was pretty much as long (if not longer) than Final Fantasy games of today. Game length does not scale with media size. Why do you think multiplatform games are the same length on all consoles? Even though the GCUBE mini-dvds were considerably smaller.

If anything, there are other advantages a bigger media size can bring to you but trust me, game length is not one of them.

 

[zero2dash]

Alright. If game length has nothing to with media size, then I should be able to fit 120 minutes of music onto CD, right? It doesn't matter on song length, they should fit. Oh wait, different song lengths, and only 80 minutes maximum. Kinda sounds like the compact disc limit, just like an 8.5 GB dual layer DVD versus a 25 GB single layer Blu ray. There's a fact for you.

..except that round pegs don't fit into square holes. One has nothing to do with the other.
Media capacity in this regard has no relation to the content that is on it. Do you think 1 level of any game takes up a full cd or 1gig or more? Are you really that foolish? Your argument holds no water and makes absolutely no sense, so you're grasping at straws trying to prove where it's correct and it's not. Just because BluRay is xtimes the capacity of a DVD-9 doesn't mean jack $#!t in relation to how long a game is, how many characters the game has, how many levels are in the game, or whether Cloud uses maximum hold gel or long lasting gel to spike his hair up.

Oh, I got the 360 for a three year warranty. Wow. What a deal! So, when my system burns up, or the dreaded red lights of doom, Microsoft will happily replace my system with a smile. Usually around three months or so, maybe six, you'll see your new, refurbished, Xbox 360.

I think there may be a problem with your shipment if it took more than a week. May want to check that tracking number.
And they don't ship refurbished systems anymore; in fact, they haven't for quite awhile now. But I'm sure you were just about to mention that, after all you are a tactician of facts now, aren't you?

I work in retail, we ain't giving you anything if you bought your 360 two months ago. Past the 30 day policy and you have to call Microsoft if something goes wrong first. And you probably didn't buy a warranty with either anyway, since you were getting a three-year with <b>Microsoft</b>, not the retailer.

And your point is...? what exactly?
Customers don't go into retail chains expecting to return an item after 30 days, period. Unless it's a Walmart store, the fifth floor of hell.

The 360 is better than the first Xbox, but not anything special. It's only special because "It's American made!" and everything is socialist. Just like a national health care system.

(Again) what does one have to do with the other?
Xboxes were made in Mexico, BTW. Far from "American made". Although I don't think people really give a crap about "American made" anymore 'least not with electronics which (unless you count the fabulous products made by RCA and Magnavox) are always made overseas.

Why don't you ask the Japanese what they're playing? Or how bout the Europeans? It ain't either of those two systems. Nintendo owns this generation already, and over 2 million, American, consumers can't be wrong.

People are fickle. Always have been, always will be. Have plane, will travel.
If you think the Wii has lasting appeal, long enough to survive a 4+ year console war with Microsoft and Sony, well...you go on ahead and keep thinking that. Me (and many others, I'm sure Ed will agree) - I don't think Nintendo's got much in the way of staying power with the Wii. Once all the fad "I've gotta get one to be hip! cool! young again! like the iPod!" people buy their Wii systems and Nintendo quits ceremoniously crippling their shipments in order to keep demand up - then we'll see how much people actually like the system. Other than RE4 - my Wii hadn't been powered on in months. And I'm not the only one on here in that boat. Our Wii's seen more 'standby' time than 'powered on' time since we bought it.

And the 360, sold about 700,000 units last quarter. Ouch. The PS3, not worth mentioning. If you want a great system, it's the Wii. Because, Sony and Microsoft take note, it's FUN!

Until you get bored playing with minigames and ported Gamecube titles, sure, it's fun.

Nintendo has some good looking stuff in the pipeline. But then again - isn't that the way it is with all their systems? Let's see some dedicated 3rd party support past the 2nd year before we start popping the champagne at Nintendo HQ.

 

[0098386]

Progx has clearly never heard of compression or sloppy coding. The number of games I've cut down to half size just by optimising code and using quality compression, can't beat it.

To contend your game length=media size argument-

How can a GB game like Pokemon take 45 hours to complete (not taking into account getting 100% Pokedex) be on average 5 times longer than Gears of War on it's DVD?
It took me 35 hours to get to the end of Twilight Princess and that's 1.5gb

Honestly, how the hell are you working this out? When you can fit a 35 hour game (albeit without voices) onto 1.5gb, or a 45 hour RPG onto a 512kb cartridge your argument just doesn't have any ground whatsoever so please stop banging on that drum.

 

[0098386]

Having a field day with the Sony fanboys today I am.

Evidentally!

That could have happened during international shipping too I'm not claiming that the PS3 is impervious to any damage, but the failure rate is substantially lower than the 360's.

My DS hinge broke, Nintendo support is awesome though and they fixed it pretty damn fast

Ed

I forget the number of times my DS Lite has been replaced. First it was bad buttons, then 2 faulty hinges. I've had this one a long time now so they finally fixed it. The DS Lite has been the most faulty Nintendo system I've owned. Really is a shadow of the classic systems.
Yea I tried looking up our PS3 problem and there was virtually nothing about it online. It must be a mega rare problem. Built extremely well.

 

[progx]

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Until you get bored playing with minigames and ported Gamecube titles, sure, it's fun.

Nintendo has some good looking stuff in the pipeline. But then again - isn't that the way it is with all their systems? Let's see some dedicated 3rd party support past the 2nd year before we start popping the champagne at Nintendo HQ.

Spoken like a true hardcore gamer. If you're looking for incredible graphic games, by all means, just sit on your couch and play with the 360 and PS3. The Wii is all about game play and functionality. I prefer to do something active in that time, while playing. Isn't that what most people want to do? I've gotten tried of the PS2 and Xbox, especially the Gamecube, controllers. Yes, I'm used to those, but if I haven't played a game in a while, I lose my coordination. The Wiimote on the other hand, real simple to use.

Didn't someone say the "iPod fad" would die down? Hm. Still waiting on that one. Until then, I'll get my 200 GB full screen iPod Video.

The Wii's here to stay. With all the minigames you can handle! Since many non-gamers just want to play games that are 15 minutes or less.

 

[Symtex]

Spoken like a true hardcore gamer. If you're looking for incredible graphic games, by all means, just sit on your couch and play with the 360 and PS3. The Wii is all about game play and functionality. I prefer to do something active in that time, while playing. Isn't that what most people want to do? I've gotten tried of the PS2 and Xbox, especially the Gamecube, controllers. Yes, I'm used to those, but if I haven't played a game in a while, I lose my coordination. The Wiimote on the other hand, real simple to use.

Didn't someone say the "iPod fad" would die down? Hm. Still waiting on that one. Until then, I'll get my 200 GB full screen iPod Video.

The Wii's here to stay. With all the minigames you can handle! Since many non-gamers just want to play games that are 15 minutes or less.

I have to give props to Nintendo. They really showed me what I didn't want from a game console. I don't want mini-games, I want full-fledge complete game experience and beside RE4 and Zelda, there is nothing on the Wii that fulfill that need. I am happy for all the none-gamer but I am not part of that category. Nintendo made sure I understood that.

 

[Chone]

Spoken like a true hardcore gamer. If you're looking for incredible graphic games, by all means, just sit on your couch and play with the 360 and PS3. The Wii is all about game play and functionality. I prefer to do something active in that time, while playing. Isn't that what most people want to do? I've gotten tried of the PS2 and Xbox, especially the Gamecube, controllers. Yes, I'm used to those, but if I haven't played a game in a while, I lose my coordination. The Wiimote on the other hand, real simple to use.

Didn't someone say the "iPod fad" would die down? Hm. Still waiting on that one. Until then, I'll get my 200 GB full screen iPod Video.

The Wii's here to stay. With all the minigames you can handle! Since many non-gamers just want to play games that are 15 minutes or less.

The Wii may be big with non-gamers but most enthusiast gamers either find it lackluster or find it really fun... but not groundbreaking like me. I've had tons of fun with the Wii, playing the usual Nintendo franchises but... all I can wait for is the new PC, Xbox360 and PS3 releases. The Wii is like a toy, a fun toy but not a revolution in games by far, if it wasn't for Nintendo's awesome franchises and games, the Wii would be sucking big time right now.

And before you say the non-gamer population is bigger than the enthusiast gamer one... well its true but enthusiasts spend SO much more money and are thus a better market to target to. I too think the Wii fad will die down eventually, it will do great as a console and have some good games (primarily made by Nintendo ) but it won't win, it might be second if Sony keeps dropping the ball with the PS3 but the Xbox360 is most likely going to be the winner this generation.

 

[zero2dash]

The Wii's here to stay.

If history [of their last two home consoles] is any indication, and 3rd party developers quit making games on the system in the 3rd year, then the Wii is dead in the water.

Time will tell.

I want good games. I could care less if playing those games involves arm flailing or thumb twitching. So far...the Wii has one must-own title...Zelda. Far from impressive in the grand scheme of things despite its sales lead.

As for casual v hardcore, like Chone said...hardcore gamers spend the most money. It's no different than someone who buys a Dell vs someone who spends the extra money to build a quad core PC with tons of power and watercooling. Who's going to spend more money? The hardcore user.

Being a casual gamer system may get the Wii into more people's homes...for now.

 

[0098386]

The Wii is like a toy, a fun toy but not a revolution in games by far, if it wasn't for Nintendo's awesome franchises and games, the Wii would be sucking big time right now.

WTF. A games console a toy? Whodathunkthat?
If it wasn't for Sony's 1st party (or are they 2nd party?) games the PS3 would be full of generic games. What truly groundbreaking games came out on the 360 in it's first year? Oblivion. Wii already has 2 (3 if you're in Japan).

If history [of their last two home consoles] is any indication, and 3rd party developers quit making games on the system in the 3rd year, then the Wii is dead in the water.

Wow, whilst that is true, have you not been looking into gaming news over the last year? Only the most staunch developers aren't looking at the Wii. The system is selling better than the PS2 did. On the other hand the PS3 and 360 have been selling worse than Nintendo's previous 2 offerings. The market is sorted.

It's crazy reading all this. I know there are fanboys here, but even I knew the PS2 was destined to be massively successful and the Gamecube to flop you guys are hilarious!
The PS3 has a slow climb. I think it's going to end up in 3rd. The 360 will have a very good run, but a definite 2nd.

 

[Symtex]

WTF. A games console a toy? Whodathunkthat?
If it wasn't for Sony's 1st party (or are they 2nd party?) games the PS3 would be full of generic games. What truly groundbreaking games came out on the 360 in it's first year? Oblivion. Wii already has 2 (3 if you're in Japan).



Wow, whilst that is true, have you not been looking into gaming news over the last year? Only the most staunch developers aren't looking at the Wii. The system is selling better than the PS2 did. On the other hand the PS3 and 360 have been selling worse than Nintendo's previous 2 offerings. The market is sorted.

It's crazy reading all this. I know there are fanboys here, but even I knew the PS2 was destined to be massively successful and the Gamecube to flop you guys are hilarious!
The PS3 has a slow climb. I think it's going to end up in 3rd. The 360 will have a very good run, but a definite 2nd.

Come on Ragged, you have to admit that Wii has appeal only to casual gamer so far. It's your cup of tea but it's not mine. I think you can't forget that hardcore gamer spend the most $$ per console. You can't forget them.

Nintendo will continue what Nintendo has been doing for years now. They doing their own thing and don't really care about third party. They don't need them to survive. Nintendo has yet to share API to access Mii, Wiiware or any online features with their third party dev. When I here Reggie saying that Nintendo is serious about online, I almost choke on my drink. They are so far behind. Even Sony has more to offer in their anemic PSN compare to Nintendo.

 

[0098386]

So they're not bothered about 3rd party? I suppose that's why they're releasing WiiWare and only charge a few thousand £ for development kits? Heck back at university we had reps come to hype us into developing for the Revolution (As it was back then).

Of course hardcore gamers spend more. I'm a hardcore gamer who is more than satisfied with a PC and Wii. Between them 2 both bases are covered. Though I'd hardly call Metal Slug, Excite Truck, Metroid Prime, Galaxy, Mario Kart and Smash Bros "casual games", in the same way I don't call the PS2/3 with it's Singstar, guitar and dance games "casual systems".

If anyone hates 3rd party right now it's Sony. They've lost so many 3rd party exclusives, no XNA/WiiWare style service and the dev kit costs similar to the 360's. I'm surprised folk around here can hold a straight face and say "Nintendo are going to repeat history" when the PS3 is the one imitating the N64...

 

[Chone]

So they're not bothered about 3rd party? I suppose that's why they're releasing WiiWare and only charge a few thousand £ for development kits? Heck back at university we had reps come to hype us into developing for the Revolution (As it was back then).

Of course hardcore gamers spend more. I'm a hardcore gamer who is more than satisfied with a PC and Wii. Between them 2 both bases are covered. Though I'd hardly call Metal Slug, Excite Truck, Metroid Prime, Galaxy, Mario Kart and Smash Bros "casual games", in the same way I don't call the PS2/3 with it's Singstar, guitar and dance games "casual systems".

But are those groundbreaking games? They are the same franchises over and over again, the same games all over again. Sure they are still fun as hell but personally, I'm sick that all the good games in the Wii have Mario's face in it. And yeah, I didn't mean anything by toy, I consider all my consoles toys.

The Wii, like any other console, has really nice games (you won't argue me that the GameCube sucked last gen but it still had nice games) but contrary to Nintendo's hype machine, it is NOT a revolution and it is NOT the future of gaming. It is just something different and the only games worth playing are Nintendo's with a few 3rd party here and there (like RE4 but lo and behold, thats a Cube port...) so what has changed from the GameCube? Nothing.

The DS on the other hand, is a great machine, it IS a huge advancement in portable gaming but the Wii... not so much and the limited hardware certainly doesn't help and before you come down on me saying graphics don't make games... well they don't but better hardware also unlocks new possibilities in gameplay, particularly with the still largely untapped field of physics. When the physics revolution comes... the Wii will be at a large disadvantage and suddenly flailing your arms around won't sound so attractive. Except of course for playing the same ol' Nintendo games, but... was the GameCube any different?

So tell me, if Nintendo didn't make games... would the Wii even be on the map?

 

[zero2dash]

What truly groundbreaking games came out on the 360 in it's first year? Oblivion.

GRAW
RSV
Gears
Oblivion

Wow, whilst that is true, have you not been looking into gaming news over the last year? Only the most staunch developers aren't looking at the Wii.

Looking at - I don't count.
There's games in the pipeline, and it'll take some time to see the 'long term support' that I'm looking for; until then though, I count the Wii as a "wild card", not a sure thing. Nothing more, nothing less.

On the other hand the PS3 and 360 have been selling worse than Nintendo's previous 2 offerings. The market is sorted.

The market is also fickle and cost-conscious.
The previous two Nintendo systems retailed for half the price (or more) than the 360 and Ps3; it's no wonder total sales figures right now frown upon both systems. But it's been said and proof's been given before...more people bought Ps2s after the price drops than prior to them. Do you honestly think that the Ps3 or 360 won't sell like hotcakes with the recent price drops on both? And those are obviously the first line of price drops; it's not like the systems will go through their entire lifecycle with only these price drops.

I'm surprised folk around here can hold a straight face and say "Nintendo are going to repeat history" when the PS3 is the one imitating the N64...

...but the Ps3 has the Playstation lineage and the Playstation name.
Casual gamers, the group that progx here thinks is the reason that the Wii will win - those same casual gamers 99% of the time couple "video games" with "Playstation" every second of the day.

Name recognition like that doesn't just fade away. The only thing holding back the Ps3 from larger sales is the sticker shock that most people get from it. Once it gets to acceptable levels, they'll sell - you can be sure of that. Hell the PSP has sold much better since they dropped the price on it and released good games, and that fared much worse off than the Ps3 during its infancy.

But are those groundbreaking games? They are the same franchises over and over again, the same games all over again. Sure they are still fun as hell but personally, I'm sick that all the good games in the Wii have Mario's face in it.

Absolutely...wholeheartedly agree.
Despite coming up with good sequels most of the time (not counting Mario Party)...sorry, but I'm sick of seeing 15 different Mario games. Enough already. Put some more effort into coming up with new stuff. Let Miyamoto go hog wild like he did with Pikmin. Introduce more 'new' franchises. I'm not saying abandon what works for you, I'm saying...put it on the back burner and come up with more than just Mario for crying out loud.

The Wii, like any other console, has really nice games (you won't argue me that the GameCube sucked last gen but it still had nice games) but contrary to Nintendo's hype machine, it is NOT a revolution and it is NOT the future of gaming. It is just something different and the only games worth playing are Nintendo's with a few 3rd party here and there (like RE4 but lo and behold, thats a Cube port...) so what has changed from the GameCube? Nothing.

Again - I agree wholeheartedly.
The ease of shoehorning Gamecube games onto the Wii is cause for question/worry, not cause for celebration.

 

[0098386]

The market is also fickle and cost-conscious.
The previous two Nintendo systems retailed for half the price (or more) than the 360 and Ps3; it's no wonder total sales figures right now frown upon both systems. But it's been said and proof's been given before...more people bought Ps2s after the price drops than prior to them. Do you honestly think that the Ps3 or 360 won't sell like hotcakes with the recent price drops on both? And those are obviously the first line of price drops; it's not like the systems will go through their entire lifecycle with only these price drops.

Of course they will sell when there's a price drop. Just like the Wii will. Just like there will be a surge when the DS Lite drops £19. It's a shame that price drops occur a long time after the system has been out, after devs have settled on producing a game for X system. The best time for a price cut would be in the first 6 months as systems are starting to find their feet, to pull in more buyers which pulls in more developers.

...but the Ps3 has the Playstation lineage and the Playstation name.
Casual gamers, the group that progx here thinks is the reason that the Wii will win - those same casual gamers 99% of the time couple "video games" with "Playstation" every second of the day.

I'm sorry, Nintendo didn't have lineage from the NES and SNES? That sure helped the N64 Commodore (64/128) and Amiga were roaring successes in Europe. Sega were pretty popular too. Atari... Your point?

Name recognition like that doesn't just fade away. The only thing holding back the Ps3 from larger sales is the sticker shock that most people get from it. Once it gets to acceptable levels, they'll sell - you can be sure of that. Hell the PSP has sold much better since they dropped the price on it and released good games, and that fared much worse off than the Ps3 during its infancy.

As I just said, name accounts for nothing. The only people who go for names are the hardcore with preferences, not casual people who buy something through word of mouth and clever advertising.
I don't care much for cars so I'm not fussed about Ford vs Honda or whatever I'll just go to a car showroom and get the best for my price range.
The public choose a system, developers swarm, more people buy, more developers swarm.

The ease of shoehorning Gamecube games onto the Wii is cause for question/worry, not cause for celebration.

The ease of taking games possible on last gen machines and upscaling textures is a worry of mine. This also includes games with recycled gameplay and hybrid games.

 

[Antares]

I thought this thread is about whether to get the Xbox360 Elite or the PS3? What does the Wii have to do with that?

Back on topic...I'm leaning toward getting the PS3 as my first non-Nintendo system. Blueray + the ability to play great games, for $499, seems to offer the most value for the money.

 

[steamboat26]

I'd say the 360 is much less reliable than the PS3 currently. But IIRC, after a year or two a lot of PS2s broke due to disk read errors, which were easily fixable, but voided your warranty. All I'm saying is that it is too early to tell.

@Noodle- you can't argue that the 360 has a HD advantage, because the PS3s hd is user upgradeable

 

[progx]

Fads that should be dead:
iPod and iTunes. Wait, they're still alive. The iPod is six years old, iTunes climbed up to the third highest entertainment retailer in the country in just four years. Apple made moves to keep the "fad" going. Or else, the Mac would be the only thing keeping Apple barely alive, again.

If you want to believe the fads, then Apple would be on the brink again and wouldn't be on the forefront of technological innovation.

Look at the original iMac. It wasn't on the cutting edge. Apple took the cheapest parts of their all-in-ones and put it in a sexy case. And every Windows nut laughed and said Apple would be dead before the 21st century.

Hardcore gamers do make up much of the market, but it is VERY cost conscious. That's why Nintendo made the system they did, to appeal to them as well. Don't think Nintendo isn't resting on this craze, they will find ways to keep it going. This isn't the Gamecube era anymore. Nintendo is a much different company and they are making great decisions to keep themselves ahead of everyone else.

The Wii will be less than $200 by the end of next year. Hell, everyone thought the DS was going to be dead, now it has over hundreds of titles out just from the DS Lite. The Wii will be here to stay. Microsoft is the new Gamecube of this generation. Sony will give Nintendo a run, but not Microsoft. They run their entertainment division the same way everything is, less facts and more flash. More threats and empty promises, just as to their enterprise customers who are switching to Linux. And more monkey boy appearances, with "developer" chants, maybe related to "Wal-mart" morning meetings.

You guys want this fad to be dead because you don't want change in the video game market. And you can't admit that the casual game market is extremely hot.

Just updating graphics would have been the death of the industry and more people would be playing Flash games on the Internet, rather than Half-Life 2. People don't want an alternate reality, probably as boring as real life, they want fun. Nintendo has kept that, the Wii is a system everyone can enjoy. Maybe not for you, but it's universal. The same with your favorite Macs and iPods.

And stemboat26, you're right, it's way too early to tell.

Antares, if you want the PS3, get it. Just like if someone wants the 360, get it. And the Blu ray movies are cheaper than their HD cousins.

Zero2dash, I haven't played any of my Gamecube titles. I've been distracted by great Wii titles and Virtual console games.

 

[0098386]

WiiFit gets released and Nintendo buys Japan.

progx- Don't forget the DS being a fad . Technology and everything aside - both have the same ideology; bring gamers and non-gamers together. That's what I'm seeing both systems do. Which is why I put them side by side (and clearly a lot of people, looking at hardware and software sales).

 

[steamboat26]

progx you seem to be hinting at a point that others seem to be missing, since the wii has sold so well, any third party developer that wants to make money will start making games for the wii. Granted, thus far they have mostly been poorly presented ports, but if the wii continues to sell this well, you can bet that more studios will make games for it. Its almost the same situation as the DS.

 

[progx]

progx you seem to be hinting at a point that others seem to be missing, since the wii has sold so well, any third party developer that wants to make money will start making games for the wii. Granted, thus far they have mostly been poorly presented ports, but if the wii continues to sell this well, you can bet that more studios will make games for it. Its almost the same situation as the DS.

Exactly. As Reggie said, there is an installed base of over 2 million Wii owners in the U.S. alone. What does that equal? $

Hell, we the 360 came out, we had a healthy supply at our store by March. Someone could walk right in and buy it. The Wii on the other hand, we've only be getting 2-4 systems a month, and they're gone within 2 days.

Its been almost one year and we still can't keep the system on the shelf. Although, we do have Xbox 360 and PS3s available.

 

[0098386]

progx you seem to be hinting at a point that others seem to be missing, since the wii has sold so well, any third party developer that wants to make money will start making games for the wii. Granted, thus far they have mostly been poorly presented ports, but if the wii continues to sell this well, you can bet that more studios will make games for it. Its almost the same situation as the DS.

QF massive damage.

As Praxis said - wonder why there are ports cropping up (starting about 4 months after the Wii was released)? Devs and publishers have seen how freakin popular the Wii is and they're scrambling to get anything out for it. It's a shame it takes 1-3 years to make a good game, since that's when we're going to see the results of the Wii's skyrocketing popularity.

 

[zero2dash]

I'm sorry, Nintendo didn't have lineage from the NES and SNES? That sure helped the N64

Nintendo had 2 systems that were popular with consumers, then 2 that were not.

Both Playstations thus far have been the highest selling home consoles in history.

'Nintendo' name recognition is down the toilet; 'Playstation' isn't.

Nintendo has lineage, sure. But not like Playstation at this point in time.

As I just said, name accounts for nothing. The only people who go for names are the hardcore with preferences, not casual people who buy something through word of mouth and clever advertising.

Name accounts for nothing, eh? Really.
How come people pay premium pricing on name brands then?
You think 'what's in a name', well I'll tell you. People stick with name recognition based off previous experiences with a brand, as well as quality and warranty. Anyone who buys a $600 42" LCDTV by a company like iLO at Walmart is not going to expect that tv to last as long as a $2000 42" Sony LCDTV because they know the Sony is made better.

This is no different.
Kids think "Playstation" is synonymous with "video games" just like they think "McDonalds" is synonymous with "burger and fries".

What's the largest consumer bracket for sales?
Families...with kids who beg and plead for video games at Christmas and birthdays.

The N64 and Gamecube sold, and earned Nintendo profits. But both bombed in the public eye.
Playstation 1 & 2 didn't bomb in the public eye, they were both huge successes. There's your answer.