I can't decide Xbox 360 Elite or a PS3

[0098386]

The N64 and Gamecube sold, and earned Nintendo profits. But both bombed in the public eye.
Playstation 1 & 2 didn't bomb in the public eye, they were both huge successes. There's your answer.

So the abundance of negative press now assosiated with Sony (especially in the UK) isn't harming their image? Yes the PS1 and 2 did well, the PSP and PS3 aren't. Sony have had their 2 **** ups. You could even argue than only Nintendo's Virtual Boy, N64 and Gamecube were failures - NES, SNES, GB, GBA, DS, Wii have been huge sucesses. 50% of Sony's released systems are last in their markets...

Oh, and handhelds. The Nintendo name has been absolutely stellar and dominated that market since 1989. Arguably much bigger than Sony, no?

Sony now seems to stand for very expensive A/V with included games console.
Nintendo now seems to stand for accessible and dedicated gaming.
This wasn't the case in the Gamecube days. The market has changed, if that hasn't been obvious to you yet. I say this because I would have agreed with you if the DS and Wii didn't exist.

 

[Symtex]

So the abundance of negative press now assosiated with Sony (especially in the UK) isn't harming their image? Yes the PS1 and 2 did well, the PSP and PS3 aren't. Sony have had their 2 **** ups. You could even argue than only Nintendo's Virtual Boy, N64 and Gamecube were failures - NES, SNES, GB, GBA, DS, Wii have been huge sucesses. 50% of Sony's released systems are last in their markets...

Oh, and handhelds. The Nintendo name has been absolutely stellar and dominated that market since 1989. Arguably much bigger than Sony, no?

Sony now seems to stand for very expensive A/V with included games console.
Nintendo now seems to stand for accessible and dedicated gaming.
This wasn't the case in the Gamecube days. The market has changed, if that hasn't been obvious to you yet. I say this because I would have agreed with you if the DS and Wii didn't exist.

I am going to try to say it the nicest possible way : GTFO of this thread. This is a PS3 vs X360 thread. It has nothing with Nintendo. We know, you are a Nintendo fanboy..we get it.

 

[zero2dash]

So the abundance of negative press now assosiated with Sony (especially in the UK) isn't harming their image?

Please.
What bad press?
I haven't heard much of nothing anti Sony (other than fanboy BS on here) for the majority of the time since the system launched. People complained about shootings at launch; that's not indicative of a Ps3 only problem when people have been trampled for Black Thursday sales after Thanksgiving and people used to get beat up in stores and parking lots for Tickle Me Elmos and Cabbage Patch Kids. Lately the half-assed price drop drew some bad press, otherwise it was old news within a few days.

Quit with the nonsense.

Yes the PS1 and 2 did well, the PSP and PS3 aren't. Sony have had their 2 **** ups.

Two systems that aren't finished with yet they've already screwed up. Wow that's not unfair or biased.

Again quit with the nonsense.

You could even argue than only Nintendo's Virtual Boy, N64 and Gamecube were failures - NES, SNES, GB, GBA, DS, Wii have been huge sucesses. 50% of Sony's released systems are last in their markets...

Did I bring up portables? No. I said home consoles. As in Nintendo's last two home consoles bombed and they DID. Open your eyes and put aside the hate.

Oh, and handhelds. The Nintendo name has been absolutely stellar and dominated that market since 1989. Arguably much bigger than Sony, no?

You're comparing a company with [how many portables now?]
Game Boy -> Game Boy Pocket -> Game Boy Color -> Game Boy Advance -> Game Boy Advance SP -> Game Boy Micro -> DS -> DS Lite

8 portables

to a company with 1 portable?
Are you out of your mind?

Nintendo now seems to stand for accessible and dedicated gaming.

...catered to casual gamers, fk the hardcores. Way to alienate your fanbase, Nintendo.



I'm done with this nonsense. No wonder Ed walks around here pissed off all the time; all the Nintendo blindness going on.

 

[0098386]

Please.
What bad press?
I haven't heard much of nothing anti Sony (other than fanboy BS on here) for the majority of the time since the system launched. People complained about shootings at launch; that's not indicative of a Ps3 only problem when people have been trampled for Black Thursday sales after Thanksgiving and people used to get beat up in stores and parking lots for Tickle Me Elmos and Cabbage Patch Kids. Lately the half-assed price drop drew some bad press, otherwise it was old news within a few days.

Quit with the nonsense.

Heh, please read my original statement ("Especially in the UK"). Bad adverts that the press constantly hate and have become a laughing stock, Resistance/Church business, recent adverts being banned, attempts at getting cash back from the government "it's a computer ". Ever since the console launched the only good news the UK (did you see that this time?) press have given the system was that they handed out free TV's on the launch night. Last article I saw was something about BlueRay failing in a computer mag.

"quit with the nonsense", or are you another thinks there isn't a different world outside the US?

Two systems that aren't finished with yet they've already screwed up. Wow that's not unfair or biased.

Again quit with the nonsense.

PSP sales half that of the DS. Yea, like the PSP is suddenly going to overtake PS3 even behind the Xbox 360 in monthly sales, and GBA! False hope much?

Did I bring up portables? No. I said home consoles. As in Nintendo's last two home consoles bombed and they DID. Open your eyes and put aside the hate.

No you brought up names and brands. I brought up other gaming systems under the same brand.

You're comparing a company with [how many portables now?]
Game Boy -> Game Boy Pocket -> Game Boy Color -> Game Boy Advance -> Game Boy Advance SP -> Game Boy Micro -> DS -> DS Lite

8 portables

to a company with 1 portable?

So Sony should get preferential treatment because it has 1 system? It's their own fault they didn't come out with a handheld sooner. Not mine, not yours

...catered to casual gamers, fk the hardcores. Way to alienate your fanbase, Nintendo.

I'm sorry. I thought RE4, TP, Galaxy, Prime, Brawl, CoD, Metal Slug, Mario Strikers, Alone in the Dark, BWii, Driver, Tomb Raider, Madden, Manhunt 2 (eventually), Godfather, Paper Mario and Tales of Symphonia were all casual games.

I'm done with this nonsense. No wonder Ed walks around here pissed off all the time; all the Nintendo blindness going on.

Hypocrite much?

 

[2nyRiggz]

I'm just going to put this in the air for all the people that think "sony is teh doomed"(Did I do this right SK?) or they ****** up this current gen.

PSP= 10-15+ Million(or something along that lines) install base worldwide
PS3= 4.5 to 6 Million install base in its eight month life span.


Okay I'm done.....ramble on guys



Bless

 

[zero2dash]

PSP sales half that of the DS. Yea, like the PSP is suddenly going to overtake PS3 even behind the Xbox 360 in monthly sales, and GBA! False hope much?

Stay on topic much? you've brought every one of Nintendos consoles and PSP into a 360/Ps3 thread
Is that your ammunition, Jimmi?
Your answer to all of Nintendo's home console troubles is to pull out a bunch of nonsense about the other consoles and compare it to Nintendo's portables?

All hail to the church of Miyamoto and Iwata and co.

No you brought up names and brands.

And home consoles.
Nowhere did I say portables.
But again, if your only ammunition to defending Nintendo's pathetic home console existence in the last 2 product cycles is to bring up another one of their divisions, then feel free to make yourself look desperate in defending your beloved house that Mario built.

So Sony should get preferential treatment because it has 1 system? It's their own fault they didn't come out with a handheld sooner. Not mine, not yours

So lets start a torch party and go storm Sony hq then right?
comparing apples to oranges is one thing; you're comparing an apple to a pepperoni pizza. Nice one

I'm sorry. I thought RE4, TP, Galaxy, Prime, Brawl, CoD, Metal Slug, Mario Strikers, Alone in the Dark, BWii, Driver, Tomb Raider, Madden, Manhunt 2 (eventually), Godfather, Paper Mario and Tales of Symphonia were all casual games.

Metal Slug is a casual game?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA.
wait a minute
AAAAAAAAAH HAHAHAHAHA
a casual game is something easily played by all.
Let's see a casual player pass two stages in Metal Slug without quitting out of frustration in teh game's difficulty.

TP a casual game? really
didn't know casual gamers would put 40-50+ hours into a single title

Hypocrite much?

Keep tooting your own horn and flying your Nintendo flag bro, suits you well
i'm not blind to the fact that Nintendo gets half their $#!t done right half of the time and afraid to talk about it
i'll rip on Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, any of em when I see BS.
but please, do continue to look beyond Nintendo's flaws, i hear they allow people in their clan who do such a thing and never question how moronic some of their decisions have been

 

[0098386]

Metal Slug is a casual game?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA.
wait a minute
AAAAAAAAAH HAHAHAHAHA
a casual game is something easily played by all.
Let's see a casual player pass two stages in Metal Slug without quitting out of frustration in teh game's difficulty.

Completely missed that sarcasm bit I see.

Oh, and I know the Wii has flaws. I've gone on about them many times. But I'm not talking about flaws (just as you could talk about brands without accounting for a specific brands trump card ). We were talking about how brand image means little in the way of fickle video game players.

Figures currently at;
360- 10.3 million in 2 years
Wii- 10 million in 8 months
PS3- 4.09 million in 8 months

DS- 46 million
PSP- 22 million.

And now I leave this farce of a thread. OP; go for the 360. Everyone else scared about the Wii, make your own thread.

 

[steamboat26]

Just my 2 cents...
I don't think the bad press previously mentioned was that damaging- Sony over promising (with the dual HDMI) and under delivering was what has done them in so far. That and the price. They have taken steps to fix these problems, like the price drop, but then they are going to eliminate the 60 GB model. The PS3 has done quite well with reliability, free online, and a few good games, but most people choose to look at a few major faults, and choose to ignore that sony is moving in the right direction. All they really need is a price drop to make things more competitive, which will increase sales, causing more titles to stay exclusive and more franchises to come to the PS3. The PS and PS2 were amazing consoles, but sony can't expect to ride the coat tails of its previous success.

And for Nintendo v Sony. Nintendo was the master of cartridge based games, but got into the CD/DVD game too late. IMO, putting GC games on mini-DVDs was part of the reason the GC didn't do too well. One could argue that nintendo is still behind the curve this gen, for gfx and online play, but they have improved a lot, and the success of the wii is evident in the sales

 

[progx]

I'm done with this nonsense. No wonder Ed walks around here pissed off all the time; all the Nintendo blindness going on.

Didn't a lot of techs say the same thing about Mac heads about a decade ago?

 

[Steve Jobless]

thanks for all the help guys.

i think ive decided to go with a 60gb ps3.

why? there are too many reasons. one of which is 360 issues. not reliability but rather waiting for these 65nm chips to come. also IF, God forbid my console breaks down i would be stuck without a system for about a month. I thought a week without my ps2 and madden was bad. I know all in ones are bad, but the ps3 has something i was looking to get but may not purchase now, an upconverting dvd player. While i've stated im not interested in hd formats thats due to the fact that I could upconvert dvd and get just as good picture quality. another plus is the fact that i already have a psp and quite a few ps1 and ps2 games which are still fun to play and could hold me over. while the 360 has a nice library there are very few games that im interested in that are exclusives. i would also feel like a sucker paying 10 dollars more for the same technology used in the original xbox regular dvd-9, i do realize at this point there is no advantage with blu-ray since they probably are not using all 25 gigs of free space but i'd like to think that at some point that extra storage space will yield something of significance. the built in wifi is also another plus the architecture of my home limits my wired internet use, yes i can buy a wireless adapter but why? at 100 its a rip off even at 85? from costco. i know i can buy a wireless bridge then again why should i have to use an extra outlet? also the ps3's HDMI inputs work to my benefit, yes i know the xbox 360 now has HDMI but im not sure about how its implemented. as ive stated before i will be using my tv with my mbp so vga/dvi isnt much of an option.

and before you say well for 150 less i can get 2 games for 360 maybe even 3, i dont play halo, i dont play gears although i probably would buy it if i do get a 360 or fps games. most of what i want for 360 i can get for ps3 except for test drive, call of juarez, forza and prefect dark. even then those games arent must haves. also keep in mind i would still have to add 40-50 for live and then the wireless adapter in the end it just seems like a ps3 looks like the best financial choice for a student.

 

[GFLPraxis]

thanks for all the help guys.

i think ive decided to go with a 60gb ps3.

why? there are too many reasons. one of which is 360 issues. not reliability but rather waiting for these 65nm chips to come. also IF, God forbid my console breaks down i would be stuck without a system for about a month. I thought a week without my ps2 and madden was bad. I know all in ones are bad, but the ps3 has something i was looking to get but may not purchase now, an upconverting dvd player. While i've stated im not interested in hd formats thats due to the fact that I could upconvert dvd and get just as good picture quality. another plus is the fact that i already have a psp and quite a few ps1 and ps2 games which are still fun to play and could hold me over. while the 360 has a nice library there are very few games that im interested in that are exclusives. i would also feel like a sucker paying 10 dollars more for the same technology used in the original xbox regular dvd-9, i do realize at this point there is no advantage with blu-ray since they probably are not using all 25 gigs of free space but i'd like to think that at some point that extra storage space will yield something of significance. the built in wifi is also another plus the architecture of my home limits my wired internet use, yes i can buy a wireless adapter but why? at 100 its a rip off even at 85? from costco. i know i can buy a wireless bridge then again why should i have to use an extra outlet? also the ps3's HDMI inputs work to my benefit, yes i know the xbox 360 now has HDMI but im not sure about how its implemented. as ive stated before i will be using my tv with my mbp so vga/dvi isnt much of an option.

and before you say well for 150 less i can get 2 games for 360 maybe even 3, i dont play halo, i dont play gears although i probably would buy it if i do get a 360 or fps games. most of what i want for 360 i can get for ps3 except for test drive, call of juarez, forza and prefect dark. even then those games arent must haves. also keep in mind i would still have to add 40-50 for live and then the wireless adapter in the end it just seems like a ps3 looks like the best financial choice for a student.

To be entirely honest, yes, as a hardware choice, PS3 is a MUCH better deal. $50 for XBox Live + $100 for a WiFi adapter brings the 360 up to PS3 pricing, and the PS3 still has Blu-ray over the 360 and a bigger hard drive.

But these aren't PCs. They're appliances for games. The numbers shouldn't matter. Nobody asks for the processor speed and RAM amount on their CD player. I don't know what my iPod's clock speed is.

Realistically, we're talking about spending $500 on either system. PS3 will also give you that upconverting DVD player you wanted.

But the real question is, which has the games you want? That should answer your question.

From what you've said, sounds like the 360 only has a LITTLE more than the PS3 in terms of what games you like. So ask yourself; which would you rather have, those games you CAN'T get on the PS3, or the upconverting DVD player? (unless you see something on PS3 you want that you can't get on 360)

 

[Steve Jobless]

To be entirely honest, yes, as a hardware choice, PS3 is a MUCH better deal. $50 for XBox Live + $100 for a WiFi adapter brings the 360 up to PS3 pricing, and the PS3 still has Blu-ray over the 360 and a bigger hard drive.

But these aren't PCs. They're appliances for games. The numbers shouldn't matter. Nobody asks for the processor speed and RAM amount on their CD player. I don't know what my iPod's clock speed is.

Realistically, we're talking about spending $500 on either system. PS3 will also give you that upconverting DVD player you wanted.

But the real question is, which has the games you want? That should answer your question.

From what you've said, sounds like the 360 only has a LITTLE more than the PS3 in terms of what games you like. So ask yourself; which would you rather have, those games you CAN'T get on the PS3, or the upconverting DVD player? (unless you see something on PS3 you want that you can't get on 360)

Gran Turismo

 

[diamond.g]

thanks for all the help guys.

i think ive decided to go with a 60gb ps3.

why? there are too many reasons. one of which is 360 issues. not reliability but rather waiting for these 65nm chips to come. also IF, God forbid my console breaks down i would be stuck without a system for about a month. I thought a week without my ps2 and madden was bad. I know all in ones are bad, but the ps3 has something i was looking to get but may not purchase now, an upconverting dvd player. While i've stated im not interested in hd formats thats due to the fact that I could upconvert dvd and get just as good picture quality. another plus is the fact that i already have a psp and quite a few ps1 and ps2 games which are still fun to play and could hold me over. while the 360 has a nice library there are very few games that im interested in that are exclusives. i would also feel like a sucker paying 10 dollars more for the same technology used in the original xbox regular dvd-9, i do realize at this point there is no advantage with blu-ray since they probably are not using all 25 gigs of free space but i'd like to think that at some point that extra storage space will yield something of significance. the built in wifi is also another plus the architecture of my home limits my wired internet use, yes i can buy a wireless adapter but why? at 100 its a rip off even at 85? from costco. i know i can buy a wireless bridge then again why should i have to use an extra outlet? also the ps3's HDMI inputs work to my benefit, yes i know the xbox 360 now has HDMI but im not sure about how its implemented. as ive stated before i will be using my tv with my mbp so vga/dvi isnt much of an option.

and before you say well for 150 less i can get 2 games for 360 maybe even 3, i dont play halo, i dont play gears although i probably would buy it if i do get a 360 or fps games. most of what i want for 360 i can get for ps3 except for test drive, call of juarez, forza and prefect dark. even then those games arent must haves. also keep in mind i would still have to add 40-50 for live and then the wireless adapter in the end it just seems like a ps3 looks like the best financial choice for a student.

HDMI is 1.2 on the 360. I want a PS3 but will only get one when I know GT is coming out. I got a PSP cause I was under the impression the GT4:Mobile was comming out within the first 8 months of the systems life.

 

[7on]

I would go with the 360 myself. Love my Xbox 1 I got on the cheap.

 

[Coded-Dude]

HDMI is 1.2 on the 360. I want a PS3 but will only get one when I know GT is coming out. I got a PSP cause I was under the impression the GT4:Mobile was comming out within the first 8 months of the systems life.

Damn you Kazunori Yamauchi!

 

[sethypoo]

So is your mom.
I kid, I kid!

Oh snap!

 

[Agathon]

I have both consoles (I have the 80GB Korean PS3). I'd support your choice to go with the PS3. That's not to say that the 360 is not a good system, with some cracking games available for it.

But here are the reasons:

1. Hardware. The 360 is simply unreliable. Moreover, the PS3 is technically superior.

2. Noise. The 360 is very loud, which makes it useless as a media centre. The PS3 is pretty quiet, such that I don't notice it when I am playing Brian Eno's Apollo album (which is a really quiet album of ambient music).

3. Features. The PS3 simply has more features, like Bluetooth built in, the ability to run Linux on it, and so on. It really feels like an all in one entertainment centre, whereas the 360 feels like a console with the other stuff bolted on as an afterthought.

4. Interface. The XMB is much better than the 360's Blade interface. It's simpler and nicer to look at. It enables access to far more options than the 360 has, and does so much more simply (trying to change network options can be a pain on the 360). The new XBox Live blade doesn't match the other blades, which is inconsistent.

5. Polish. When the PS3 boots up, you get the wonderful sound of an orchestra. It really is classy, and sets the tone for the user experience. Everything in the user interface is so clean and nice looking that it shames the 360. Someone really cared about the user experience. The XMB is probably the nicest looking interface I have seen that is not designed by Apple. You can see this clearly in the music visualisers. The PS3's is fluid and clean, like a great piece of electronic music. The 360s is like having a bad acid trip at a Bulgarian circus.

6. Online. PSN is free. PS Home will make it better than XBox Live. What all online console services have lacked so far is a proper feeling of community. It appears that PS Home will provide that central sense of community (like that an MMORPG has). With a central meeting place, it will be much easier to make friends than trash talking in a game lobby.

7. Blu Ray. It's going to win. Moreover, since MS has stated that all 360 games will come on standard DVDs, this will cripple the 360 as the consoles age. You can simply fit a whole lot more game on a Blu Ray disc. If you like gigantic games with mega huge environments and tons of graphics, the PS3 will have them, and the 360 won't.

8. Dominance. Microsoft took a gamble in releasing the 360 early. While it is not a forgone conclusion, that gamble appears not to have paid off. The PS3 has tracked the 360's sales since launch IIRC (i.e. if you put them at an equal starting point, its about the same so far). That's all that Sony has to do, because it has the superior machine. As time passes, the value of the 360 in comparison with the PS3 declines. Nintendo is the dark horse, but the Wii isn't an HD machine.

Don't get me wrong. I still like my 360, but the PS3 is just a lot better. There has been so much anti-Sony sentiment in the English media that it has given the appearance that the PS3 is in trouble (and there's a small amount of racist sentiment in that). It's not.

Even Paul Thurrott liked the PS3. That should tell you something.

 

[GFLPraxis]

I would like to point out, Agathon, that everything you point to is beside the point. (wow, I used point 3 times in one sentence, that takes skill!)

Yes, the hardware is better at the price, offering things like WiFi and Blu-ray; but who realistically, why should we care which console is quieter? Why should we care which has the prettier startup screen? All that matters are Games.

Also, Paul Thurrott likes Vista. I wouldn't take his word for anything.

7. Blu Ray. It's going to win. Moreover, since MS has stated that all 360 games will come on standard DVDs, this will cripple the 360 as the consoles age. You can simply fit a whole lot more game on a Blu Ray disc. If you like gigantic games with mega huge environments and tons of graphics, the PS3 will have them, and the 360 won't.

Such absolute certainty on what is speculation...despite all the Blu-ray propoganda on MR (due to Apple's non-exclusive support), due to the recent Paramount/Dreamworks deal, HD-DVD and Blu-ray have an almost even split between movie studios. Transformers, Shrek, Blades of Glory, etc will not see Blu-ray releases.

Consider too that HD-DVD seems to be winning in some European countries.


As far as DVD, I haven't seen many problems so far; not one game has spilled on to a second disk. Most PS3 games just throw everything on the disk uncompressed to take up the spare space.

I think it's too early to put a nail in the coffin of either format.

 

[0098386]

WTF.

So, the 360 is never going to see epic games? Well. I suppose it's a good thing Oblivion, Bioshock aren't coming to the 360 since they probably wouldn't fit on a DVD.

Speaking of which - Oblivion takes up 6gb and BioShock is 7gb. Why for any possible reason at all would games need any more than that barring rolling video cutscenes? You don't. That's why the 360 has epic games. That's why the Wii could also handle epic games (just without HD textures).

It's a shame too as Agathon made some other good points.

 

[IscariotJ]

WTF.

So, the 360 is never going to see epic games? Well. I suppose it's a good thing Oblivion, Bioshock aren't coming to the 360 since they probably wouldn't fit on a DVD.

Speaking of which - Oblivion takes up 6gb and BioShock is 7gb. Why for any possible reason at all would games need any more than that barring rolling video cutscenes? You don't. That's why the 360 has epic games. That's why the Wii could also handle epic games (just without HD textures).

It's a shame too as Agathon made some other good points.

Epic have already said that UT3 PS3 will more than likely ship with more maps than the 360, due to limitations of the DVD. It seems that M$, are making it difficult for the game to be modded, too.

I'm currently in the same situation. As I've mentioned in the Poll thread, I was very close to splashing some cash on a 360, mainly for GoW, UT3, GTA ( also PS3 bound ), and maybe Halo3. With GoW/UT3 coming to the Mac, the only thing that the 360 has in it's favour, is Halo3. I don't know if that's enough to overcome the reliability and noise issue. I know too many people who have had to return their 360, and all of them complain about how much noise the 360's make ( from what I've read, the Elite isn't any quieter ).

The PS3 will play blu-ray/upscale DVD's, has builtin wireless, and doesn't appear to suffer from reliability issues. The only thing it doesn't have, is a huge range of titles, which is sorta the point of having a console in the first place.

Until M$ move to the 65nm chips to help the 360's reliability, and the PS3 get's some decent titles, I don't think either of them is a good buy, at the minute. Not at the current price point ( in the UK, at least ).

 

[Symtex]

I have both consoles (I have the 80GB Korean PS3). I'd support your choice to go with the PS3. That's not to say that the 360 is not a good system, with some cracking games available for it.

But here are the reasons:

1. Hardware. The 360 is simply unreliable. Moreover, the PS3 is technically superior.

2. Noise. The 360 is very loud, which makes it useless as a media centre. The PS3 is pretty quiet, such that I don't notice it when I am playing Brian Eno's Apollo album (which is a really quiet album of ambient music).

3. Features. The PS3 simply has more features, like Bluetooth built in, the ability to run Linux on it, and so on. It really feels like an all in one entertainment centre, whereas the 360 feels like a console with the other stuff bolted on as an afterthought.

4. Interface. The XMB is much better than the 360's Blade interface. It's simpler and nicer to look at. It enables access to far more options than the 360 has, and does so much more simply (trying to change network options can be a pain on the 360). The new XBox Live blade doesn't match the other blades, which is inconsistent.

5. Polish. When the PS3 boots up, you get the wonderful sound of an orchestra. It really is classy, and sets the tone for the user experience. Everything in the user interface is so clean and nice looking that it shames the 360. Someone really cared about the user experience. The XMB is probably the nicest looking interface I have seen that is not designed by Apple. You can see this clearly in the music visualisers. The PS3's is fluid and clean, like a great piece of electronic music. The 360s is like having a bad acid trip at a Bulgarian circus.

6. Online. PSN is free. PS Home will make it better than XBox Live. What all online console services have lacked so far is a proper feeling of community. It appears that PS Home will provide that central sense of community (like that an MMORPG has). With a central meeting place, it will be much easier to make friends than trash talking in a game lobby.

7. Blu Ray. It's going to win. Moreover, since MS has stated that all 360 games will come on standard DVDs, this will cripple the 360 as the consoles age. You can simply fit a whole lot more game on a Blu Ray disc. If you like gigantic games with mega huge environments and tons of graphics, the PS3 will have them, and the 360 won't.

8. Dominance. Microsoft took a gamble in releasing the 360 early. While it is not a forgone conclusion, that gamble appears not to have paid off. The PS3 has tracked the 360's sales since launch IIRC (i.e. if you put them at an equal starting point, its about the same so far). That's all that Sony has to do, because it has the superior machine. As time passes, the value of the 360 in comparison with the PS3 declines. Nintendo is the dark horse, but the Wii isn't an HD machine.

Don't get me wrong. I still like my 360, but the PS3 is just a lot better. There has been so much anti-Sony sentiment in the English media that it has given the appearance that the PS3 is in trouble (and there's a small amount of racist sentiment in that). It's not.

Even Paul Thurrott liked the PS3. That should tell you something.

If you think Home will be better then Xbox live then you are living in a dreamworld. Home is nothing but a second life rippoff. It took 5 years from Microsoft to built Xbox live and you think Sony is going to do right the first time around ? LMAO !!!

As much as a I love my PS3, There is no game worth playing since Resistance. All mutliplatform game are superior on X360.

I have both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD at home. I can tell you that even though the PS3 is a great blu-ray player, I prefer the HD-DVD catalogue so far and most film that appear of both format have simply more features on the HD-DVD. It's funny, blu-ray as more space but yet HD-DVD release have simply more of them.

XMB as a long way to go before it meet all the feature that X360 dashboard offer. Are you able to get to your friend list in XMB ? Voice-chat with a friend while playing a single player game ? Using MSN Messager ? I haven't seen any theme in PS3. All of this with 32mb while PS3 XMB takes 88 meg and doesn't offer as a much.

Yes the X360 is noisy and might not as be reliable but at least there is games to play on it. Which matter the most to me. Sony is putting their attention away from game with every announcement they make. What made the PS2 a success is that it was a pure gaming machine with a DVD player. That is it.

 

[zero2dash]

1. Hardware. The 360 is simply unreliable. Moreover, the PS3 is technically superior.

So was Betamax (over VHS). Look where that ended up.

2. Noise. The 360 is very loud, which makes it useless as a media centre.

99% of 360 owners could care less because the 360 is a gaming system, not a cheap HTPC replacement. Neither is the Ps3.

3. Features. The PS3 simply has more features, like Bluetooth built in, the ability to run Linux on it, and so on. It really feels like an all in one entertainment centre, whereas the 360 feels like a console with the other stuff bolted on as an afterthought.

Is Bluetooth required to play games? No.
And who gives a flying crap about Linux?
Oh and you forgot about the memory stick readers.
This cracks me up; all these tacked on Ps3 incidentals that people commonly refer to as "features". If it's not required to play a game, it's unnecessary and therefore 99% of people will not care whether it's there or not.

4 and 5 are your personal opinions.

6. Online. PSN is free. PS Home will make it better than XBox Live.

I LAWLZ
That's hilarious. No really, it is.
Free yet unmoderated gameplay ftw apparently

7. Blu Ray. It's going to win. Moreover, since MS has stated that all 360 games will come on standard DVDs, this will cripple the 360 as the consoles age. You can simply fit a whole lot more game on a Blu Ray disc. If you like gigantic games with mega huge environments and tons of graphics, the PS3 will have them, and the 360 won't.

Please, check your magic 8 ball and let me know what the lotto numbers will be for next week's drawing, because I could really use the money...thx.

As for DVD being crippled or restrictive due to it's capacity, developers have already stated against this time and time again that DVD is capable enough of giving you the experience they want you to have.

Please, do buy into the "BluRay is required for full HD 4d gameplay" BS some more though.

8 is more speculation and opinion on your behalf.

Even Paul Thurrott liked the PS3. That should tell you something.

Yeah, that Paul Thurrott knows jack and $#!t about video games and needs to stick with writing articles about Windows Vista. Who cares what Paul Thurrott says about video game systems, give me a break.

 

[Agathon]

If you think Home will be better then Xbox live then you are living in a dreamworld. Home is nothing but a second life rippoff. It took 5 years from Microsoft to built Xbox live and you think Sony is going to do right the first time around ? LMAO !!!

I think you're missing the point. I am an XBL member and, frankly, it is just individual games plus a friends list and email.

That doesn't really add up to a solid community. What should be aimed for is a massively multiplayer multiverse. In other words, all the games are tied to one central environment where there is as much player interaction as possible. That is the point of PSHome. It offers a much higher level of interaction between subscribers than XBox Live does. They should be aiming to have a WoW like community.

As much as a I love my PS3, There is no game worth playing since Resistance. All mutliplatform game are superior on X360.

I love Ninja Gaiden and Motorstorm is a lot of fun. I'm downloading Warhawk as I write this. Resistance, I bought, but I haven't done much with it yet.

XMB as a long way to go before it meet all the feature that X360 dashboard offer. Are you able to get to your friend list in XMB ? Voice-chat with a friend while playing a single player game ? Using MSN Messager ? I haven't seen any theme in PS3. All of this with 32mb while PS3 XMB takes 88 meg and doesn't offer as a much.

I find it easier to use. I also find the PSN store much easier to use than the XBL store. Frankly, talking to someone while I play a single player game is a distraction.

Yes the X360 is noisy and might not as be reliable but at least there is games to play on it. Which matter the most to me. Sony is putting their attention away from game with every announcement they make. What made the PS2 a success is that it was a pure gaming machine with a DVD player. That is it.

That's not good enough in this day and age, and both MS and Sony know it.

 

[Agathon]

So was Betamax (over VHS). Look where that ended up.

This would only make sense if the situation were the same, but it is not.

99% of 360 owners could care less because the 360 is a gaming system, not a cheap HTPC replacement. Neither is the Ps3.

Sez you. I happen to care. Moreover, the noise is distracting, even while playing games.

Is Bluetooth required to play games? No.

It's required for a Bluetooth headset, which is much better than the wired piece of crap you get with the 360.

And who gives a flying crap about Linux?

Obviously not you.

Oh and you forgot about the memory stick readers.

So I did. Score another one for the PS3.

This cracks me up; all these tacked on Ps3 incidentals that people commonly refer to as "features". If it's not required to play a game, it's unnecessary and therefore 99% of people will not care whether it's there or not.

Translation: I don't want it, or the console I have doesn't have it, so I'm going to pretend that almost nobody wants it.

I think I know where that 99% figure was pulled from.

4 and 5 are your personal opinions.

Hence, they are in my post. Astonishing....

I LAWLZ
That's hilarious. No really, it is.
Free yet unmoderated gameplay ftw apparently

XBL might as well be unmoderated in my experience.

8 is more speculation and opinion on your behalf.

It's neither blind speculation, or reasonless opinion. You'll need to do better than that to be taken seriously.

Yeah, that Paul Thurrott knows jack and $#!t about video games and needs to stick with writing articles about Windows Vista. Who cares what Paul Thurrott says about video game systems, give me a break.

I think the point is that a hard core Microsoft shill even had nice things about the PS3. It's almost as if Osama bin Laden had complimented George Bush.

But carry on raving...

 

[Agathon]

The only thing it doesn't have, is a huge range of titles, which is sorta the point of having a console in the first place.

When I bought my 360, over a year ago, there weren't very many good games available for it. Perfect Dark Zero and Oblivion were about the best, and I think GRAW came out a couple of months later. In the last year quite a few must haves have been released. The PS3 is about where the XBox was when I bought mine. I think you would be right to wait.

To tell the truth, I bought the PS3 out of curiosity. I'd had a PSP for a while, and I was impressed with it. I came into a bit of money and I wanted an HD player (and my wife has gone to visit her sister in Europe for a couple of months), so it was a good time to buy (the 80GB version is quite cheap here, and I have free broadband in my building).

I'm really impressed with the PS3. There's obviously a lot of love been poured into its design, and I think it is worth the cash. YMMV, but by all means wait and see what happens.