i really don't see how apple could pull off not releasing a new MBPr along with the 13" relase... these bugs, especially the lags, are absolutely crazy and a betaness unheard off in any prior release, by apple or any other major computer producer. that need to get fixed sooner than next summer.
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I hope that people who think that next years rMBP hardware will fix the "lag"...
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ive seen plenty of products in the computer realm released and consumed with WAAAAAYYY more bugs and problems than this thing. especially considering what you are getting in the rmbp is short of a miracle. the panel alone is an engineering feat not seen to this day in any other system like it. thats fact.
you couldnt have just said "scrolling text isnt a true test of the hardware"? supwith all the sarcastic replies all the time? show some respect.
haswell might be big jump because of its memory controllers and power management, this could lead to a much brighter screen for the retina and much cooler running, along with more graphics power,etc.. problem is, in real life it never adds up. intel is a sluggish beast of a company and they usually shoot themselves in the foot. if i remember correctly, ivybridge was supposed to save us. it was touted to run MUCH cooler than sandy, be a massive performance boost, etc.
yeah, i guess so.
my thought is this. people who are going to wait for next years "new and improved" are making a huge mistake. HUGE. because they are going to be buying something instead of waiting for the NEXT years architecture. but if they do that why not wait and buy a 2014 model? you know where im going with this.
by the way. the rmbp isnt a first generation product. if it was we'd have our own subforum for it
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there has simply never been a beta release of that scale and that bugginess. normal situation: a company introduces a new product and sells slowly, allowing it to fix the hardware gradually. not possible with apple, which is selling huge quantities immediately.
For somebody that hates a product so much, you spend a lot of time spewing venom about it. If I hated something that I didn't own I wouldn't spend this much time complaining about it on the internet. Find a hobby.
You are literally copy/pasting your responses in multiple threads now.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/15416130/
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/15416129/
Yeah exacty..
I have installed ml on macbook pro 2007 and i so fkin laggy with 6gb ssd its just horrible..
Thing is that apple tells you that there is good cpu but those weirdos crippleing and throtling cpu on half in every machine!
If the cpu would work on max all apple machines will just barbeque..
There is no proper cooling..
Gpu when is idle makes os so laggy cos device doesnt detect heavy load!
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Yeah exacty..
I have installed ml on macbook pro 2007 and i so fkin laggy with 6gb ssd its just horrible..
Thing is that apple tells you that there is good cpu but those weirdos crippleing and throtling cpu on half in every machine!
If the cpu would work on max all apple machines will just barbeque..
There is no proper cooling..
Gpu when is idle makes os so laggy cos device doesnt detect heavy load!
These laptops from apple just can handle.. it is not like normal laptop..
Everybody are just blinded with atractive design ,but what is underneath is just throttle
I understand that this may be an unusual request in this thread, but would you mind sharing actual facts rather than nonsense? Can you provide any factual information that shows "weirdos crippling and throttling cpu on half in every machine" (whatever that means) Whose MacBook Pro got barbecued when the CPU worked under maximum load? No proper cooling - really? The RMBP has the best cooling system ever put into a MBP.
Also, can you show us your video of "Gpu when idle makes os so laggy cos device doesn't detect heavy load!" I see no such issues with my RMBP and have posted a video. Can you do the same?
I am not fully convinced that the rMBP has the best cooling system of all the MBPs. The design is no different than what the cMBP has used for the past few years. It has the same heat tubes and fan/sink. The only difference is the fan blades are thinner and vary in size to minimize noise. That change may actually lower the CFMs of air flow given the same rpms as the fan in the cMBP.
Y t
Yeah but you have retina which is brand.new.and they JUST NOW only realised that it needs some boost and better cooling.
so they are perfect..now iIf you install win 7 64 you can read all hardware info and how is actually been set up
Apple claiming that i have t7700 core 2 duo 2,4 yeah?
And i never seen it running t 2,4 but on half.. and even in heavy load..
When i want to watch 1080p video (youtube or film) it just laggs and my normal pc laptop with even worse pu t7200 and older gpu runs perfectly smooth
Could you explain me this?
1.where is some utility to enable disable cpu features ?
2.why they set ram to run at 667 mhz and not 800 mhz when is available ?
You know when i purchase product and i pay astronomical money I want to feel that ,that laptop is mine and i can do with it what i want .. not to restrict it in all ways!
Cpu soldered on board cannot be upgraded only with reflow station..
No bios or firmware updates.. etc
Yeah but you have retina which is brand.new.and they JUST NOW only realised that it needs some boost and better cooling.
so they are perfect..now iIf you install win 7 64 you can read all hardware info and how is actually been set up
Apple claiming that i have t7700 core 2 duo 2,4 yeah?
And i never seen it running t 2,4 but on half.. and even in heavy load..
When i want to watch 1080p video (youtube or film) it just laggs and my normal pc laptop with even worse pu t7200 and older gpu runs perfectly smooth
Could you explain me this?
1.where is some utility to enable disable cpu features ?
2.why they set ram to run at 667 mhz and not 800 mhz when is available ?
You know when i purchase product and i pay astronomical money I want to feel that ,that laptop is mine and i can do with it what i want .. not to restrict it in all ways!
Cpu soldered on board cannot be upgraded only with reflow station..
No bios or firmware updates.. etc
Can you provide a more detailed explanation? When I look at the cooling components on the breakdown images of both models they look identical and made of copper.
hmm, strange. are you sure you are looking at the correct images? the heatpipes and sinks are physically different on the two. should be easily recognisable. heres a link for you to check out..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/12
I can't make any sense out of your message, please take a look at this link and then come back to tell me there are performance issues . LOL
http://youtu.be/Dudx1GhHGiY
So you're basically trying to tell us that in a year or so we shouldn't expect to see any improvement in these machines? I don't think you understand how this sector of the economy works or have a clue as to how hardware manufactures develop products.
As for the argument about the cooling... It's amazing how everyone laughed at how thick a G5 Powerbook would look like because of how hot the processors ran but magically Apple introduced a faster chip using Intels processors. The point is, if one company isn't up to provide the hardware that a company needs, another will.
As for the argument about the cooling... It's amazing how everyone laughed at how thick a G5 Powerbook would look like because of how hot the processors ran but magically Apple introduced a faster chip using Intels processors. The point is, if one company isn't up to provide the hardware that a company needs, another will.
The article is comparing the 2011 MBP with the 2012 rMBP. The CPUs are different ( 32nm vs. 22nm ), so it's not a fair comparison. The fans and heat sink are smaller on the rMBP and the GPU shares the single heat pipe with the CPU. The cMBP has separate heat pipes split evenly between the GPU and CPU chips. The article says that the shared heat pipe on the rMBP causes the GPU to run hotter.
Have you seen an article that compares the GPU and CPU temps between the rMBP and 2012 cMBP?
The cooling design of the cMBP has not changed over the past few years. The rMBP cooling design is using the same dual fansink and heatpipe technology (but slightly smaller and a compromise where the GPU has to share the heat pipe with the CPU). So I don't believe the hype that the cooling is better than the cMBP. In fact, I believe if you made an apples-apples-test, the 2012 cMBP cools the same CPU and GPU better than the rMBP.
I'm challenging your statement: "the design is much different and the thermals are much better on the retina than the classic. not opinion"
I am waiting for you to provide technical proof that the rMBP thermals are much better than the 2012 cMBP.
Are you pulling my leg? You are talking about two completely different topics at once. I never said anything about the 2012 classic. heres a recap of our conversation.
i show you a link that compares last years to rmbp
again, your orginal quote.. "no different than what the cMBP has used for the past few years. ".. except now youre suddenly talking about the 2012 classic.
so why are you waiting for me to prove something i never said and you never asked about? im confused.
i show you a link that compares last years to rmbp
again, your orginal quote.. "no different than what the cMBP has used for the past few years. ".. except now youre suddenly talking about the 2012 classic.
so why are you waiting for me to prove something i never said and you never asked about? im confused.
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cMBP = MBP (excluding the retina version of the MBP). Got that?
Never said rMBP cooling being the same as years ago. Read my posts slowly.
back up a few posts and read what i just wrote. back in my day we called that "gettin busted"
I give up. You still don't get my point of challenging your statement that the rMBP has better thermals than the classic MBP; i.e, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012 MBP (aka cMBP). You win; you wore me out.