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Let's face it..What with all these 7in Tablets coming out, Apple may ditch the touch and go bigger. The new Nexus Tablet is in some respects a iPod Touch killer.

I'm actually buying a Nexus when they come out...so long Apple.

Isn't the small size the point of the iPod touch? You can't fit a tablet in your pocket. I don't think the Nexus even competes with the iPod touch but with the iPad.

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If you simply want an upgraded iPod Touch, I recommend buying a like-new iPhone 4 w/bad ESN. I picked one up from a reputable seller on eBay for $210 (4 month old Verizon iPhone 4 32GB) It was marked bad due to the owner's failure to pay their cell bill (be careful, some may be bad because they were reported stolen). It can never be used as a cell phone, but every other aspect of it works just like an iPod Touch, only better.

Good idea, never thought of that! But it can be a bit tricky for me because I know very little about phones and SIM cards (since I never use them).

Speaking of stolen Apple stuff, have you seen that YouTube video where some thieves robbed an Apple Store of its MacBook Pros? I found an eBay seller who was selling "like new" MacBook Pro parts and was located right next to the city where the robbery occurred. Sadly, I lost his account name before I thought about it.
 
While I'm normally bigger is better (My 17" Asus G74 is just as portable to me as my why-did-I-guy-it Macbook Air), and for that reason frankly would prefer probably a 12" tablet, definitely not 7", in the case of an iPod like device, 7" seems too big to me-I mean basically it's got to fit in a pocket for this use.

That Nexus Tablet does look pretty cool as it's a stock Android thing with pretty high end hardware for $200 (and by Asus too)...but it seems like it's either way too small, or a bit too big, doesn't it?
 
Let's face it..What with all these 7in Tablets coming out, Apple may ditch the touch and go bigger. The new Nexus Tablet is in some respects a iPod Touch killer.

I understand what you're saying but I just don't see 7" tablets competing with the 3.5" (or 4") iPod Touch. If the rumors are correct, Apple does plan on upgrading the iPod Touch this Fall, but we can't be positive. If they do, their main problem might be the price point. At $399 for a 64gb iPod Touch, they are at the same price as a 16GB iPad 2. I'll buy it, but I can see why other people might not.

If Apple makes the fabled 7" iPad Mini, I would also buy that for ebook reading. I also believe Apple will market it as a premium device and sell it for $300, not the $200 or $250 as has been rumored. They're not going to give up the margins they've been used to making.

Apple could make the following (sizes approximated):

4" iPod Touch
7" iPad Mini
10" iPad

They would corner the market at each size.
 
That Nexus 7 does look awesome, I can't wait to see the compares between them and the iPad.

Let's not forget Apple was almost out of business. Their business model has not changed much if at all, what's changed is that they re-worked the PDA into something cool (iPhone) and people fell in love with it.

That doesn't mean their business model is what got them there.

So many players have access to the tech that makes the devices work, that Apple's hardware doesn't have a monoply on it.

They really need to rethink their pricing models.
 
That Nexus 7 does look awesome, I can't wait to see the compares between them and the iPad.

In terms of specs, the Nexus 7 has well over 4x the CPU power (actually probably something like EIGHT TIMES the CPU power) and 4x the RAM too...but it presumably doesn't fit in a pocket, and for now at least has a huge disadvantage with podcast support (not sure if that'll continue to be true with all the changes Apple's doing though...)
 
Whenever I look at iPods in the store, I keep being shocked by the prices... $200+... Still? In this day and age? Apple is making a killing here.

That price point was ok years ago, but now there are tons of 7" tablets out there for $200, and the comparison is starting to look skewed.

Sure, those tablets don't have the apps, and more... But still. The next gen iPod touch series needs to start at $150 or less. Or grow in size. Or perhaps the rumored "smaller iPad" will replace the line entirely.

Trust me, apple is not making a killing off of the iPod touch. If even a fraction of research money put into the iPhone was put into the iPod, they would struggle heavily to break even. The only reason it is even $200 and not more is because it is such a short jump from the iPhone to the iPod, with stunningly small development costs. They make $100 per $200 iPod, and they would not settle for that if it wasn't literally pure profit.
 
Trust me, apple is not making a killing off of the iPod touch. If even a fraction of research money put into the iPhone was put into the iPod, they would struggle heavily to break even. The only reason it is even $200 and not more is because it is such a short jump from the iPhone to the iPod, with stunningly small development costs. They make $100 per $200 iPod, and they would not settle for that if it wasn't literally pure profit.

Wait...the first part of that says they're not making a killing off it, the second part says it's half pure profit?
 
FWIW, my fourth-generation iPod touch works just fine on iOS 5.1. Nevertheless, I'm certainly hoping for an update in the fall, would be a shame to neglect (or get rid of) this product category, even if they do come out with an iPad mini. Hoping for Siri on the iPod as well.
 
Trust me, apple is not making a killing off of the iPod touch. If even a fraction of research money put into the iPhone was put into the iPod, they would struggle heavily to break even. The only reason it is even $200 and not more is because it is such a short jump from the iPhone to the iPod, with stunningly small development costs. They make $100 per $200 iPod, and they would not settle for that if it wasn't literally pure profit.

1. If they make 100 off a 200 iPod... they are making a killing.
2. research? the iPod is an gutted iPhone... it's called reused-research.

How much research do I need to invent the wheel? ... too late ... already done.

Look at the volume of sales and the street price of replacement parts...

Making a Killing: (verb) Becoming the richest company in the world.

It's an also-ran tech-reuse that's turned into a cash cow.
 
Wait...the first part of that says they're not making a killing off it, the second part says it's half pure profit?

Exactly, they don't need to sell many iPods for the device to break even on development costs, but they don't sell nearly enough for it to reach profits even remotely similar to the iPhone or iPad.

I'll see if I can explain it a bit better (these values aren't accurate, but they offer the correct interpretation):

Cost to develop the iPod = $5,000,000
iPod sells for 100$ profit
They need to sell 50,000 iPods, and after that, it's all profit.
But they only sell maybe 2,000,000 iPods, so they make about $200,000,000 - $5,000,000 (original development cost) = $195,000,000 profit

Cost to develop iPhone = $300,000,000
iPhone sells for $300 profit
They need to sell 1,000,000 iPhones to break even, then profit.
But they sell many more, about 10,000,000, so they make $3,000,000,000 - 300,000,000 = $2,700,000,000 profit

As you can see, they need to sell a significantly smaller amount of iPods (950,000 less) to profit, making the device essentially, pure profit. However, they most certainly do not make a killing off of it, as you can see by comparing the iphone's $2.7 billion to the iPod's mere $195 million.

Remember, these values are ultra-rough estimates, obviously the profit per device depends on amount of memory and such (and if apple made only 195 million off of the iPod, they might not even bother), but it offers a very nice model.
The iPod costs so much less to develop (60x less) because they are essentially ripping things out of the iPhone and moving the vital pieces around. They already spent a massive amount of money on creating those vital pieces for the iPhone, there is no reason to re-develop them, or most of them at least.

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1. If they make 100 off a 200 iPod... they are making a killing.
2. research? the iPod is an gutted iPhone... it's called reused-research.

How much research do I need to invent the wheel? ... too late ... already done.

Look at the volume of sales and the street price of replacement parts...

Making a Killing: (verb) Becoming the richest company in the world.

It's an also-ran tech-reuse that's turned into a cash cow.

Read above it applies to you as well.

I did not say apple isn't making a killing, I said they are not making a killing off of the iPod touch.

Number 2, maybe you didn't quite understand what I wrote, but I was essentially saying what you said. It's just a matter of moving some pieces, however they do have to chompletely reinvent a few resulting in development costs. For example, the wifi radio, which has cellular capabilities built in when in the iPhone (to save space), but adds too much expense (almost $100) to be contained in the iPod.
 
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There's only two things I'm missing from the iPod Touch and that's a good camera and the possibillity to add a microSD card - but I don't really need that since I have a real camera and have a ipod classic for traveling with music so... I'd say I'm pretty content with what it is.
 
I'm pretty sure they'll have a refresh either in September at their music event or alongside the new iPhone in October. I don't think it's going the way the Classic went as the Touch is Apple's No.1 iPod. Without the touch - the iPod sales wouldn't be anywhere near what is it at the moment.

My wish-list;

- Faster, A5 dual core chip (1ghz A4 is becoming long in the tooth now tbh),
- Double the RAM (512mb would really help the OS out),
- 128gb would be nice, but I personally would love to see them re-introduce the 16gb model,
- A much better camera with auto focus & flash would be awesome,
- personally - a capacitive home button would be great,
- and finally, I would LOVE them to stick a 4 or 4.3 inch ''super-retina'' display in there.
 
I'm pretty sure they'll have a refresh either in September at their music event or alongside the new iPhone in October. I don't think it's going the way the Classic went as the Touch is Apple's No.1 iPod. Without the touch - the iPod sales wouldn't be anywhere near what is it at the moment.

My wish-list;

- Faster, A5 dual core chip (1ghz A4 is becoming long in the tooth now tbh),
- Double the RAM (512mb would really help the OS out),
- 128gb would be nice, but I personally would love to see them re-introduce the 16gb model,
- A much better camera with auto focus & flash would be awesome,
- personally - a capacitive home button would be great,
- and finally, I would LOVE them to stick a 4 or 4.3 inch ''super-retina'' display in there.

So do you think the iPod is going to lag a year behind the iPhone? I could see that happening, though it's disappointing.

Of course if tradition holds, the iPhone 6 will just be a minor bump over the 5 (maybe a bigger screen or whatever) so getting an iPod 5, it could still end up roughly matching the specs.

Ironically I may switch back to a Classic if iOS 6 forces you to use that horrendous "podcasts" program :lol:
 
I would be so mad.

I will swear off Apple products for at least 2 minutes.

I am buying a new iPod Touch this Fall after the new releases. I will order a new iPod Touch the second I can order one.

My almost three year old touch is at the end of the line, battery wise.

Would I be content. no. Will I suffer through it, yes. Will I suffer in silence. No.



Ironically I may switch back to a Classic if iOS 6 forces you to use that horrendous "podcasts" program :lol:

DownCast. Is NOW my GOTO podcast app. Bet $2 I have spent on an app.

The apple podcast is the worst app Apple has ever made.
 
So do you think the iPod is going to lag a year behind the iPhone? I could see that happening, though it's disappointing.

Well - put it this way, if there isn't a new iPod Touch out by the time the new iPhone comes out, I'll be getting myself a Samsung Galaxy Player S 5.0. iOS 6 hasn't rocked my boat either...
 
Well - put it this way, if there isn't a new iPod Touch out by the time the new iPhone comes out, I'll be getting myself a Samsung Galaxy Player S 5.0. iOS 6 hasn't rocked my boat either...
Start saving your pennies. If I'm correct, there will not be a new iPod Touch this Fall. The Galaxy Player S 5.2 might be available by then.

Regular members here know that I'm an iPod Touch fan but see the writing on the wall. :(
 
Even if they don't do a big update on the Touch, I'm still going to use my Touch 4 even when i get my new Nexus 7. I will even update to iOS 6 this year, but reckon the device won't be able to handle the new OS. We shall see.

I'm torn between the Nexus 7 and the Galaxy Tab 2.

Sorry, but Apple don't really offer anything that exciting these days.
 
GPS on the iPod would be awesome. TomTom's program is...awesome, well worth the money!
 
My current iPod Touch does everything I want it to do without a glitch. I use it as an adjunct to my iPad. I doubt if I will upgrade it anytime in the near future. Now my iMac is a whole other story!
 
Well it looks like there will be a new IPT... except they've changed the name to iPad Mini

It's the new IPT with a 7" screen. Some may also say it's an iPad with a 7" screen, but either way, it looks like what I'd want.

Bigger screen, performance, hope it has Blue Tooth LE and updated cameras.

... at this point, they can drop the 'IPT' name and give us the 7" (whatever you want to call it)

Just make sure the price is fair.
 
I don't know whether a 7" device works for me as an iPod or not. Needs to physically fit in my pocket.

I'd definitely rather have 10 or 12" for a "tablet", but a giant iPod? I don't know...maybe?
 
Good idea, never thought of that! But it can be a bit tricky for me because I know very little about phones and SIM cards (since I never use them).
A Verizon/Sprint iPhone 4 doesn't use SIM cards, and except for the "Activating the phone...may take some time" message when the phone is powered up, you never have to deal with it as a phone. Note: that message is only during power up, it does not appear when resuming the phone from sleep.
 
1. If they make 100 off a 200 iPod... they are making a killing.
2. research? the iPod is an gutted iPhone... it's called reused-research.

How much research do I need to invent the wheel? ... too late ... already done.

Look at the volume of sales and the street price of replacement parts...

Making a Killing: (verb) Becoming the richest company in the world.

It's an also-ran tech-reuse that's turned into a cash cow.

Just because Apple is huge doesn't mean they are making a killing off of the iPod touch.

The iPod touch is NOT a gutted iPhone.
 
Just because Apple is huge doesn't mean they are making a killing off of the iPod touch.

The iPod touch is NOT a gutted iPhone.

By the person's own example they'd be "making a killing". And how is it not a "gutted iPhone"? The iPod 4 is a worse version of the iPhone 4 in almost every way...
 
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