I thought he was saying that the iPod touch is an iPhone minus the phone. It lacks a flashlight, vibration, and a modem and has weaker cameras, and it has a very different design.
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iPod touch If Apple doesn't announce a 5G Touch, would you be content?
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I thought he was saying that the iPod touch is an iPhone minus the phone. It lacks a flashlight, vibration, and a modem and has weaker cameras, and it has a very different design.
The galaxy player has a really good audio DAC too. It has the wolfson chip used in the Galaxy S and Nexus S. The screen while a little lower resolution is much better than the screen on the ipod as well. Its view angles and contrast are much better.
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Thanks for this - I've never actually seen one in person and for me, the screen is the dealmaker. Nice to know there's a decent chip in there too.
I would be content. Basically, I bought an iPod touch not too long ago and I really don't want it to become obsolete. It is slow on some apps though.
It was sluggish when it launched, and that was two years ago. Really disappointed we never got a 5th gen one to match the iPhone
I have 7 iPods, including one I bought moments after the first iPod commercial aired in 2001--it probably has a single-digit serial number.
But I have never had a Touch, which I really want, and I am waiting for the refresh. I have iOS apps that aid the iPod experience, but won't run on a non-iOS iPod. I listen to podcasts and Howard Stern, and the conventional iPod controls are ridiculously bad for either of those, or for audiobooks, or for anyone who is over 40 who no longer has the ability to read 6-point typefaces. Scrolling audio on iOS devices is much better than on a conventional iPod.
I would really like to see an iPod that can update playlists over wifi aided by NFC (just bring your Touch close to your computer and it does it automatically), and I would like to see bluetooth audio out. I think the new Touch needs to be revolutionary rather than just evolutionary, or iPod sales will continue to decline. IOW, give us all a real reason to buy a new Touch--go big or go home.
If the refreshed Touch is not significantly better than the current one I will be disappointed, and if it is just bigger due to the new aspect ratio, I'll buy the current one at a reduced price instead.
But I have never had a Touch, which I really want, and I am waiting for the refresh. I have iOS apps that aid the iPod experience, but won't run on a non-iOS iPod. I listen to podcasts and Howard Stern, and the conventional iPod controls are ridiculously bad for either of those, or for audiobooks, or for anyone who is over 40 who no longer has the ability to read 6-point typefaces. Scrolling audio on iOS devices is much better than on a conventional iPod.
I would really like to see an iPod that can update playlists over wifi aided by NFC (just bring your Touch close to your computer and it does it automatically), and I would like to see bluetooth audio out. I think the new Touch needs to be revolutionary rather than just evolutionary, or iPod sales will continue to decline. IOW, give us all a real reason to buy a new Touch--go big or go home.
If the refreshed Touch is not significantly better than the current one I will be disappointed, and if it is just bigger due to the new aspect ratio, I'll buy the current one at a reduced price instead.
How so? I think the Classic has better controls for audio than the touch does. Only real advantage with the touch is the ability to speed up or slow down audio playback, but I rarely use that. Guess it can create playlists on the device easier too.
Syncing's flakier on iOS too, and it remains to be seen if Apple's destroying podcast support by forcing you to use the horrific "podcasts" program in iOS 6.
Not to say podcast support is BAD now-under iOS 5 it's easily the best (by far) of any "smartphone" OS, but that podcasts program released a week ago is TEEEEEERIBLE.
You can trigger syncing over wifi manually in the settings, or it's supposed to do it automatically when you first plug the iOS device in. In practice, the whole thing is a bit flaky and sometimes I have to manually close iTunes then reopen it to get things working.
It does that. Not sure if any of them ever couldn't.
I think they just need to maintain rough parity with the iPhone. They've tended to have worse specs, but at least be based on the same platform.
The iPod 4 versus iPhone 4 has:
-worse TN instead of IPS screen
-256MB instead of 512MB (this one is huge)
-worse speaker (I assume)
-no vibration, GPS, etc.
But then the iPhone 4 versus the 5 added:
-dual A9 versus a single A8...this gives the iPhone 5 literally at least 240% more CPU power than the iPod touch...this ain't good.
-Similarly, the 4 has less than half the GPU power.
At this point it lags a year behind-all they have to do is bump it up to the iPhone 5's specs and it'll be over 2x as good, regardless of what the iPhone 6 does.
I'd be REALLY ticked if I had to buy an iPod 4 right now.
Maybe they're trying to drive people to buy iPhones instead...not sure...
Hi All,
Thought that I would throw in my 2 cents about the iPod Touch. I keep reading the argument that the Touch is not a money maker for Apple. This maybe true when you look at the direct cost/profit of the Touch. However, I think that the major advantage to Apple for continuing the Touch is it is a gateway to other Apple devices.
Back in 2007 the first Apple product I ever owned and used was a 2G Touch and built up a library of Apps through the years. I used the touch as my "smartphone" in conjunction with a feature phone to actually make calls/texts.
I ended up getting the iPad 2 right when it came out. It was nice to have all the apps available that I had already purchased.
Next I updated my Touch to the 4G because the 2G was becoming a little outdated.
Not to far after that I did end up updating my phone and decided to finally get a smart phone. I knew right away that I would be getting a iPhone 4s. Why? Because I was familiar and liked ios, and had basically bought into the Apple Eco System with the Touch and iPad.
I wouldn't discount the Touch because of its direct profitability. Its a gateway to more (usually more expensive) Apple devices.
akjrob
Thought that I would throw in my 2 cents about the iPod Touch. I keep reading the argument that the Touch is not a money maker for Apple. This maybe true when you look at the direct cost/profit of the Touch. However, I think that the major advantage to Apple for continuing the Touch is it is a gateway to other Apple devices.
Back in 2007 the first Apple product I ever owned and used was a 2G Touch and built up a library of Apps through the years. I used the touch as my "smartphone" in conjunction with a feature phone to actually make calls/texts.
I ended up getting the iPad 2 right when it came out. It was nice to have all the apps available that I had already purchased.
Next I updated my Touch to the 4G because the 2G was becoming a little outdated.
Not to far after that I did end up updating my phone and decided to finally get a smart phone. I knew right away that I would be getting a iPhone 4s. Why? Because I was familiar and liked ios, and had basically bought into the Apple Eco System with the Touch and iPad.
I wouldn't discount the Touch because of its direct profitability. Its a gateway to more (usually more expensive) Apple devices.
akjrob
It ISN'T true. Even the guy making the argument that somehow it isn't is claiming it's 50% profit, which would be a GIGANTIC money maker.
If Google and Asus are making a profit at $200 on hardware with a bigger, better screen and 8x more powerful CPU, then Apple is certainly making a killing on it. At this point it's basically...what, 2009 era hardware? If they were making a profit on it in 2009, they're certainly making a profit on virtually the same thing in 2012...
Yeah, I agree with you about it being an important gateway device, but it IS profitable.
The time frame is something I didn't think about before. The 2009 chips are no longer in high demand and the prices on tech stuff can fall like a rock.
If the specs don't start to more closely resemble the iPhones, I'm done
Hell, I remember when the ipt2 came out and It had better specs than the iPhone 3g, lol.
I had an ipt2 and I gave it to my friend as a gift when I got my ipt4. Had I known the ipt4 would be lagging worse after 2 years than that ipt2 ever did I never would have done it.
Edit: can ya start upping space, too? 32 should be the minimum nowadays
128 should also be available
Hell, I remember when the ipt2 came out and It had better specs than the iPhone 3g, lol.
I had an ipt2 and I gave it to my friend as a gift when I got my ipt4. Had I known the ipt4 would be lagging worse after 2 years than that ipt2 ever did I never would have done it.
Edit: can ya start upping space, too? 32 should be the minimum nowadays
128 should also be available
I am content with the current model. It is small enough to carry everywhere: in my pocket, etc. It sits nicely in my vehicle hooked up to my radio. I would not even consider a 7" inch tablet to replace it. You cannot carry a 7 inch tablet in your pocket and it would be a hassle to handle it for listening to tunes. I use the touch 99 per cent of the time for music. The rest of the time for it's phone functionality. The only change I would like to see a dramatic increase in RAM. At least 160gb.
The iPod touch needs to get serious. If I were Apple, I'd facelift the Touch with A6 chip (same as new iPhone), and same screen resolution, but with 5" size and IPS quality. Perfect offensive against Galaxy Note and best PMP. Starting as $249 for WiFi 16GB and $349 for WiFi + Cellular.
Along with 3.5" and 4" iPhones, and 7.7" and 9.7" iPads, the lineup would be complete. And iPods are still an huge business for Apple, they make more money from there than they do on desktop computers.
Along with 3.5" and 4" iPhones, and 7.7" and 9.7" iPads, the lineup would be complete. And iPods are still an huge business for Apple, they make more money from there than they do on desktop computers.
Do you have numbers about that?
They sold about as many iPod Touch as laptops+desktops for Q2-12, ok, but margins on Mac hardware are more important. And I'm not sure that the benefit on app sold to iPod Touch users makes the difference.
For the rest, i made very similar proposition few weeks ago...
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https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/01/24Apple-Reports-First-Quarter-Results.html
Desktops: 1,936 mlns$
Portables: 4,662 mlns$
iPods: 2,528 mlns$
iPhones: 24,417 mlns$
iPads: 9,153 mlns$
Referred to Q1 2012
For the rest, I would see the following resolutions as viable:
1024x768 (iPad 7.8")
2048x1536 (iPad 9.7")
960x640 (iPhone 4, 4S)
1136x640 (iPhone 5, 4")
1136x640 (iPod Touch, 5")
iPad 7" becomes cheaper at $299. Lower res allows for lower power chip, resolution is still OK due to lower size. Smaller battery as well, allows for thinner chassis while mantaining 9-10hrs worth of battery life.
iPhone 5 adopts resolution of 1136x640, older apps work OK, new ratio is better for media consumption and screen increases to 4".
iPod Touch uses same resolution at 5", can still rank at 260ppi (same as iPad 3) and is more practical since, unlike an iPhone, you don't have to hold it to your ear, and is even better for media consumption. Also allows for bigger battery, one of the main faults of the iPod touch since the first generation.
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doh, ok, my bad.
you were only talking about desktops.
we were both right (with your numbers, for Q1-12, they earnt over 2.5x more with Mac hardware while about as many units sold, compared to iPod Touch)
well, anyway we agree that's probably not a segment Apple project to abandon
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Come to think of it-they probably would have sold a lot more iPod touches this past year if it had been updated to match the iPhone 5 like usually happens. They'd lose out on upgraders (not sure how many of those there are, but must be some) and possibly lose out to people comparing specs with an Android phone or tablet or something.
Anyway maybe it would only amount to 20% or something, but I bet sales would be even higher had we gotten a 5th gen model last year to match the iPhone.
(Heck, the iPod 2 was actually 25% faster than the iPhone 2! Though the iPhone 1 was 33% faster than the iPod 1)
Anyway maybe it would only amount to 20% or something, but I bet sales would be even higher had we gotten a 5th gen model last year to match the iPhone.
(Heck, the iPod 2 was actually 25% faster than the iPhone 2! Though the iPhone 1 was 33% faster than the iPod 1)
I aso need 256 GB storage but I dont see AAPL going that way. Probably samsung will come sooner with this kind of initiatives
Well, I, for one, had upgraded to the new one every single year, until last year, when no new generation was released. Then when the iPhone 4S was released, I ended up getting that! Hm, maybe that was the idea?
Well, I, for one, had upgraded to the new one every single year, until last year, when no new generation was released. Then when the iPhone 4S was released, I ended up getting that! Hm, maybe that was the idea?
Yeah, quite possibly! I don't explicitly upgrade, but I'm like "well...if it dies NOW" heehee.
Is your OS up to date? If so, it's probably just the programs you run.
In general the iPod 4 is sloooooooooooow and I see that pretty frequently too.
I updated it to the latest iOS after posting that, and I think it sped up a little but still really laggy.