iLife '11 Coming in August with a New Mystery Application?

[jaw04005]

Timing doesn't make too much sense. Apple likes to do an entire demo for iLife updates. It won't be a silent store update.

Maybe a Mac press event on August 10 although if invitations go out this week it's not too late to do it on August 3.

Edit: Looks like AlexisV thought the same.

 

[Le Big Mac]

I'm not too happy if iDVD will be gone. It's a great app to make some quick family DVDs of the latest video we shoot on vacation...

Agree. If not integrated into iMovie, what about integrating into OS X or free download?

 

[Le Big Mac]

What's apple's usual 'recent purchaser' policy for upgrades like this? I bought a new macbook pro, delivered just over a week ago, came of course with iLife '09. Do apple usually let people who purchased in the last 30 days or something upgrade or do I lose?

Usual is post-announcement purchases qualify for "uptodate" program, which is typically $10 for a DVD of the program(s). More recent experience has shown that people who purchase before that date but gripe convincingly to a CS rep will also receive a free/low-price upgrade disk.

 

[JHankwitz]

BluRay hatred?

As for the disappearing iDVD - that is just a continuation of Apple's insane love affair with all content being hosted online and their hatred towards Blu-Ray.

Where do you get this "hatred towards BluRay" from? Steve has, nor has he ever expressed hate for BluRay. BluRay, like BetaMax, doesn't make financial sense. Both have insane licensing fees tied to them, which get passed onto consumers. BetaMax and BluRay both have superior resolution, but the general masses are not willing to pay for it. Cheep is more important to them than quality. Why do you think Walmart is now bigger than the next 6 retailers combined? The masses prefer cheep. Walmart sells a whole lot of crap to the masses because it's cheep.

 

[intel]

yes, mysterious app will be iFacetime

This is the most ridiculous suggestion in this whole forum. Too many people mention it. It makes no sense to have 'paid' app as facetime because it's completely opensource. Plus why have a separate facetime app when ichat has the same functionality, all it needs is the sip pluging to work with all facetime devices. Please, no one else mention iFacetime.

 

[ArcticMike]

iWorks '11

Mystery App = FaceTime

 

[tgildred]

Surely it'll be FaceTime.

It's not.


And don't call me Shirley.

 

[Schicksal]

The mystery application will be a 25th Anniversary release of WorldBuilder. We'll have a fresh batch of point and click adventure games to download in no time.

 

[bawbag]

9to5Mac are suggesting that the mystery app replacing iDVD could be a package to create iTunes LP and Extras

 

[KnightWRX]

Where do you get this "hatred towards BluRay" from? Steve has, nor has he ever expressed hate for BluRay. BluRay, like BetaMax, doesn't make financial sense. Both have insane licensing fees tied to them, which get passed onto consumers. BetaMax and BluRay both have superior resolution, but the general masses are not willing to pay for it. Cheep is more important to them than quality. Why do you think Walmart is now bigger than the next 6 retailers combined? The masses prefer cheep. Walmart sells a whole lot of crap to the masses because it's cheep.

Yeah, Blu-ray is so expensive, the movies are now cheaper than DVDs :

http://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Bl...ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1280150030&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Ar...ef=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1280150030&sr=1-3

Walmart also has a big rack of 9$ Blu-rays. Seriously, the "it's more expensive" thing is less and less true everyday as players hit the 100$ barrier with profile 2.0 enabled and movies are under 10$.

Blu-ray is very much a mainstream tech now, it's not even close to what BetaMax was as far as market adoption goes.

 

[docal97]

What exactly does Mobile Me Gallery Beta mean? new features?

 

[crisss1205]

If iDVD won't be included in iLife, then I'm guessing the new mystery application will be an iDVD replacement. At least, I hope so, because I need it when I edit my movies in iMovie.

I think they will put iDVD functionality in iMovie. That would make more sense. I only use iDVD to burn movies I made in iMovie.

 

[cujimmy]

More than likely. I don't think Apple has released a new version of iLife and not iWork at the same time before (or vice versa).

Excellent - I'm desperate for a new iWork. iWork 08 is a pain when you have an iPad.

 

[jeznav]

iBluRay will never happen. Steve is obviously planning on BluRay going the way of BetaMax, and I'm sure it will. I love watching BluRay videos, but I know their days are numbered. Serving from the cloud (Apple's cloud that is) is his vision of the future.

Not until the overall consensus of hi-speed internet users bandwidth increases from the average 5mbps to an effective rate of 50mbps(blu-ray's bitrate). Some countries like South Korea, the average household have access to 100mbps bandwidth so digital downloads would make sense in that market.

Last time I heard, most ISP in North America are capping the bandwidth(GBs/month): Rogers lowers download limits as Netflix looms

With news of upcoming 4K HD, 3D HD, streaming to your ISPs pipeline is not enough, let alone maxing the cap.

100GB Blurays are in developement. Players, and mediums are getting cheaper. Betamax is not to Bluray. It failed because it was expensive compared to VHS. Bluray won because of the movie studios.

There will be always a physical medium superceeding the predecessor once the predecessor reaches the theoretical capacity; whether that be content on a 2TB SDXC SD or holographic crystal cubes.

Why wait 10 years in the future when you can enjoy what we have now.

 

[repaul]

One can dream

Wish the new app was along the lines of Google's new appmaker, as mentioned a few times in this thread. Think along the lines of Hypercard, something for dynamic content running in the NC datacenter. Sorta like Google App Engine.

But that wouldn't likely jibe with the iLife consumer orientation.

 

[Vylen]

Where do you get this "hatred towards BluRay" from? Steve has, nor has he ever expressed hate for BluRay. BluRay, like BetaMax, doesn't make financial sense. Both have insane licensing fees tied to them, which get passed onto consumers. BetaMax and BluRay both have superior resolution, but the general masses are not willing to pay for it. Cheep is more important to them than quality. Why do you think Walmart is now bigger than the next 6 retailers combined? The masses prefer cheep. Walmart sells a whole lot of crap to the masses because it's cheep.

The masses who like to buy cheap things probably don't buy Macs

 

[photographypro]

upgrade to snow leopard

Great... just as I've bought the Mac Box set including iLife '09 to upgrade my Tiger installation to Snow Leopard

As for the mystery app, one of the following:

• Allows you to open certain iOS apps in OSX (fits with touchscreen iMac rumours and new hardware)
• Facetime for Mac - allows any Mac with an iSight to connect to other Facetime enabled devices - would certainly fit with the 'millions of Facetime devices' statement

Too bad. You could have bought the $29 Snow Leopard disk and gone directly from Tiger to Snow Leopard. No need for the pack.

 

[Kar98]

iWeb is still around?

 

[iMacmatician]

This seems similar to the Special Event in early August 2007, with the iMac, iLife, and iWork updates, except that this time there's no sign of an event…

…yet.

You have to buy a full license. If you think about it every Mac comes with a copy of iLife, so what would be the point of having full and upgrade pricing?

It could be just for those upgrading from '09.

 

[Queso]

It could be just for those upgrading from '09.

But it's only $79! How cheap does it have to get?

 

[TMay]

Yeah, Blu-ray is so expensive, the movies are now cheaper than DVDs :

http://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Bl...ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1280150030&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Ar...ef=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1280150030&sr=1-3

Walmart also has a big rack of 9$ Blu-rays. Seriously, the "it's more expensive" thing is less and less true everyday as players hit the 100$ barrier with profile 2.0 enabled and movies are under 10$.

Blu-ray is very much a mainstream tech now, it's not even close to what BetaMax was as far as market adoption goes.

I quite agree and while I find it painful to watch (I sat down and watched Monsters vs Aliens at Best Buy in 3D) BD is the only way to support 3D now and higher resolutions like 4K in the future.

Authoring BD is still complex, and I imagine that there are folks working out useful prosumer versions equivalent to DVD Studio, including most likely Apple in the lab (which we won't necessarily see). Until that time, you're pretty much stuck with Adobe CS5 for you BD workflow on the mac.

 

[ghostface147]

I was wondering when this was going to be updated. I wonder how they will improve DVD authoring tools if iDVD is rumored to be dropped.

 

[photographypro]

iDVD

Guessing iDVD functionally is getting moved in to iMove. I nerver really understood why it needed to be its own app.

It would also have to be put into iPhoto. I'm a professional photographer, and use iDVD to make DVDs for clients. I also like being able to put an extra 4 gigs of digital photo files on the disk for clients, in addition to the DVD slideshow. I hope that feature doesn't go away.

I really hope they upgrade iPhoto. The '09 version added some cool features, but was buggy when doing photo slideshows.

 

[MorphingDragon]

I dont want this thread to turn into an HTML5 vs Flash debate, but what if this mystery App might be such a pro app?

If not, the only thing I can think of thats missing from iLife or iWork is BD Capabilties, a streaming server and a Onenote replacement.

 

[burningbright]

my money's on iApp

The mystery application will presumably be some sort of content creation/editing app, as that's what all the others are.

Since iLife already does that to some extent for still and moving images, sounds, and text publishing, I can't think of another category of content creation/editing that would require a separate application. Except, that is, for iOS app creation.

If Apple were to present a way for people who have interesting datasets but zero programming knowledge to make apps then that could be HUGE. It's not out of keeping with iLife tradition either, since iWeb is touted as a way to create websites with zero programming knowledge. And Apple's got to top Android's efforts to do something similar somehow!