Intel's 5G Chips Won't Appear in Mobile Phones Until 2020

[Kabeyun]

Completely agree, although it will be a major sales point for phones to have it.

Yep. Useless specs targeting the ill-informed have always been a marketing tool: megahertz, megapixels, turbo, dpi, K (as in “6K must be better than 5K, and 8K must be twice as good as 4K!”), and now G.

2020 might be when there’s actually a network around to be leveraged by such a modem, but that won’t stop Droid makers from advertising them, or stop people from gulping down those ads.

 

[InfoTime]

But AT&T has 5G e now!

 

[falainber]

Yep. Useless specs targeting the ill-informed have always been a marketing tool: megahertz, megapixels, turbo, dpi, K (as in “6K must be better than 5K, and 8K must be twice as good as 4K!”), and now G.

2020 might be when there’s actually a network around to be leveraged by such a modem, but that won’t stop Droid makers from advertising them, or stop people from gulping down those ads.

I find it rather strange that so many Apple fans accept the merits of new tech only when Apple starts supporting it. I think it's just a coping mechanism people use to convince themselves that their gadgets are not inferior.

 

[lowkey]

Which carriers around the world will have wide coverage of 5G by 2020? Do tell.

Telstra already has over 200 sites that are 5G enabled running at 2Gbps with the whole network 5G enabled in 2019. In Australia we will have a 5G network ready at least a year ahead of Apple, unless they get their act together.
Do research.

 

[JPack]

Amen. The networks need time to roll out and the battery situation needs to be squared away. I think it will be at LEAST another year. Let Android beta test this along with folding phones.

Anyone remember the HTC Thunderbolt, the first mainstream LTE phone. Search YouTube for Thunderbolt reviews and speed tests. I saw people getting like 6 MBPS down and thinking it FLEW....as the battery drained to nothing in short order.

What battery situation?

Qualcomm is using 10nm for X50 while Intel is using 14nm for their current LTE modem. This assumes Intel's modem is as efficient as Qualcomm, which many would doubt.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Just kiss and make up with Qualcomm, Apple!

Gawd whatever for? Samsungs S10e/S10/S10+ All shipping with last years Qualcomm 855 cpu ... meaning Qualcom is hurting for development funds and not give their premier customer new chips on time.

 

[drumcat]

Hand models are creepy.

 

[pika2000]

Telstra already has over 200 sites that are 5G enabled running at 2Gbps with the whole network 5G enabled in 2019. In Australia we will have a 5G network ready at least a year ahead of Apple, unless they get their act together.
Do research.

1 carrier in 1 country enabling 5G on major cities. Whoop dee doo.
And I’m asking a question douche.
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What battery situation?

Qualcomm is using 10nm for X50 while Intel is using 14nm for their current LTE modem. This assumes Intel's modem is as efficient as Qualcomm, which many would doubt.

Did you watch Qualcomm’s own announcement of their 5G modem? The first gen is still a separate modem with requirement for additional hardware for antenna and other modules. That will definitely not good for power requirement. I’d rather wait for the modem to be integrated into the SoC.

 

[tCdemon]

Intel needs to step it up so it can secured a long term contract with Apple.

 

[DCIFRTHS]

Did you watch Qualcomm’s own announcement of their 5G modem? The first gen is still a separate modem with requirement for additional hardware for antenna and other modules. That will definitely not good for power requirement. I’d rather wait for the modem to be integrated into the SoC.

Apple doesn't integrate the modems into the SoC in their 4G phones.

 

[Viper2005]

With all the Huawei mistrust in US and Canada, we wont be seeing 5G towers for a long time.

 

[justperry]

You hit the nail on the head with "right now." That's the point.

If 4G is as fast as it is here or places where you get close to 100Mb/s it should be sufficient for years to come, phones don't need 4k/8k, phones don't need to download huge files, you can't do intensive work on a phone that needs a lot of data, you can use the phone for a profession that needs a lot of calling and or emailing amongst other tasks but that does not need a lot of bandwidth, yes, right now, this might change in the "distant" future though, maybe VR/AR needs that kind of speed, or new technologies that aren't invented yet.

With all the Huawei mistrust in US and Canada, we wont be seeing 5G towers for a long time.

Maybe there's a good reason for that, wasn't there clear evidence pointing towards spying, thought I read that a couple of weeks ago, think it was even here on MR.

 

[lowkey]

1 carrier in 1 country enabling 5G on major cities. Whoop dee doo.
And I’m asking a question douche.
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Telstra is essentially the national carrier. It leases it’s equipment to numerous other carriers. Not sure what the equivalent might be in the US- whatever carrier covers the entire continent I suppose.

So yeah the whole country will be 5G in June.
And what, Apples 5G handset will be released October 2020 some 16 months later.

Sure the US is behind many other countries, but that should be holding back Apple. What’s holding them back is their disagreement with Qualcomm. They’ve boxed themselves in and will be left behind to some extent. Or more correctly their users will be left behind.

 

[KPandian1]

Telstra already has over 200 sites that are 5G enabled running at 2Gbps with the whole network 5G enabled in 2019. In Australia we will have a 5G network ready at least a year ahead of Apple, unless they get their act together.

Do research.

5G needs towers at a maximum of 400 meters - in cities, they need one every block or 40-50 meters. Average in suburbs 200-400 meters, depending on terrain. That is a lot of towers, not just in hundreds, just two here for Telstra.

4G coverage can have towers 3 km apart in rural areas and 1 km apart in suburbs to provide excellent coverage - 400-500 meters in cities.

Those 200 towers (courtesy Huawei?) can cover a small town, twenty cricket fields clustered together and zero city. These towers with 4G - a good sized city with skyscrapers. At 1Gbps.

Australia is going to be the toughest country to cover coast to coast; coast and coast, yes. 1 East coast city, 3cities along the South coast, 3 on the West coast down South, 1or 2 cities in the wild North.

Research enough. PR from companies is good sound bite - wait till the products are up and running, not the first blueprint presented at planning.
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Australia we will have a 5G network ready at least a year ahead of Apple. Apple will have a cellphone with 5G not earlier than 2020 late, if that. The infrastructure, they will easily have that to play with in their campuses, even the spaceships, except that would be redundant.

USA is even more difficult to wire for the wireless service of 5G. They (the companies erecting the 3/4G towers) have not erected them optimally yet in most cities stateside. If they erect towers that share all four+four towers nation wide, the 4G coverage will be great right now, in most populated areas.

None of this happening in 2020; late introduction in 2020 about products on the way that can be shown on stage, but not enough towers.

Tell us a counter scenario of Telstra with full plants or existing tower plans up and running in major city, how well it is serving, dropped connections and continuous 5G speed service. Tell us how much is supplemented by 4G. Then we can discourse.

Cheers , G'night, now.
[doublepost=1551000671][/doublepost]Where equipment rushes in from Nokia and Ericsson, the lines and nodes will come up faster. Almost as fast as China.

 

[lowkey]

Not Huawei. Telstra is using Ericsson, whose hardware has been 5G capable since 2015. It’s just a software rollout on that equipment iiuc.

Of course the cities will be seeing better coverage than remote and country areas, just like now.

But given the lame speeds the NBN can deliver (my current place is still ADSL) 5G is going to be for far more than phones.

5G needs towers at a maximum of 400 meters - in cities, they need one every block or 40-50 meters. Average in suburbs 200-400 meters, depending on terrain. That is a lot of towers, not just in hundreds, just two here for Telstra.

4G coverage can have towers 3 km apart in rural areas and 1 km apart in suburbs to provide excellent coverage - 400-500 meters in cities.

Those 200 towers (courtesy Huawei?) can cover a small town, twenty cricket fields clustered together and zero city. These towers with 4G - a good sized city with skyscrapers. At 1Gbps.

Australia is going to be the toughest country to cover coast to coast; coast and coast, yes. 1 East coast city, 3cities along the South coast, 3 on the West coast down South, 1or 2 cities in the wild North.

Research enough. PR from companies is good sound bite - wait till the products are up and running, not the first blueprint presented at planning.
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Australia we will have a 5G network ready at least a year ahead of Apple. Apple will have a cellphone with 5G not earlier than 2020 late, if that. The infrastructure, they will easily have that to play with in their campuses, even the spaceships, except that would be redundant.

USA is even more difficult to wire for the wireless service of 5G. They (the companies erecting the 3/4G towers) have not erected them optimally yet in most cities stateside. If they erect towers that share all four+four towers nation wide, the 4G coverage will be great right now, in most populated areas.

None of this happening in 2020; late introduction in 2020 about products on the way that can be shown on stage, but not enough towers.

Tell us a counter scenario of Telstra with full plants or existing tower plans up and running in major city, how well it is serving, dropped connections and continuous 5G speed service. Tell us how much is supplemented by 4G. Then we can discourse.

Cheers , G'night, now.

 

[KPandian1]

Not Huawei. Telstra is using Ericsson, whose hardware has been 5G capable since 2015. It’s just a software rollout on that equipment iiuc.
Of course the cities will be seeing better coverage than remote and country areas, just like now.
But given the lame speeds the NBN can deliver (my current place is still ADSL) 5G is going to be for far more than phones.

Good, especially with Ericsson, the company that along with Nokia, were victims of theft by Huawei.

Ericsson and Cisco should be the major players in global installation of 5G.

 

[Ramchi]

Which means it will be available for general consumers just 2021 January or 2020 November (if iPhones supply chain is smooth)...that will be 18 -20 months away from Galaxy S10+ 5G, by that time Samsung may be about to launch S 12+
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I will not be buying a new phone till there is a 5G chip in it. Wouldn't make sense... and hopefully, it is not an intel chip.

This makes lots of sense considering the tech is out but adoption by service providers will happen. This can potentially upset those mobile makers without 5G, yet expecting consumers to pay a fortune for a soon to be obsolete tech...

 

[Tech198]

No point in mobile phones with 5G if no one can use 5G yet.... Don't think mobile companies support 5G natively .

It's fine launching "support" in phones for upcoming.

 

[El Burro]

Still running iPhone 5s. Wake me up when my phone dies. #firstworldproblems.

 

[BuffaloTF]

Apple doesn't integrate the modems into the SoC in their 4G phones.

Right. Because Apple doesn’t have a modem on their SoC already drawing power. There’s still only 1 modem, whether it’s Intel’s chip solution, or having Qualcomm’s SoC in there with only the modem enabled (and the SoC part being the entire reason for the FTC and Apple lawsuits against them, forcing licensing fees for every patent the SoC utilizes while sitting idle and not hooked up). There will be 2 modems on the power draw for initial 5G phones.

 

[Glasgowuk]

I can wait. As much as carriers and smartphone vendors want us to buy into the ‘5G is here’ hype the infrastructure for widespread adoption just won’t be here for some time

Thats true. But considering most users only upgrade every three years, buyers this year will want to buy a phone further-proof

 

[Rocketman]

Nice silkscreening on that non-chip wafer.

 

[Glockworkorange]

What battery situation?

Qualcomm is using 10nm for X50 while Intel is using 14nm for their current LTE modem. This assumes Intel's modem is as efficient as Qualcomm, which many would doubt.

I'm referring to how the very first LTE phones chewed threw battery. They were plagued with battery problems.

I assume each new generation of wireless technology is going to have similar issues, as they're rev A. Apple sat a year or so out and the iPhone 5 and iPad 3rd Gen Retina did not have the battery issues we saw on say, the HTC Thunderbolt.

 

[MacBH928]

I can wait. As much as carriers and smartphone vendors want us to buy into the ‘5G is here’ hype the infrastructure for widespread adoption just won’t be here for some time

That is if you update your phones on yearly basis. At the current prices people are going to keep their phones for 2-3 years at least, they need it to be future proof. So a 2019 phone should last 2020-2021-2022...

I am very sure by then 5GHz will be ubiquitous in many places and iphone 2019 will be outdated. It could be very good reason for people to delay purchasing their next iphone to 2020. Which will be bad in the media if they report "iPhones sold even less than last year" and from marketing perspective it might paint Apple+iPhone as the expensive phone with the older features and people might start jumping ship.

Note, Verizon already offers 5GHz internet

 

[BornAgainMac]

This is good. That means something just as good will be put in the 2019 phones to make up for it. Camera, screen improvements, etc.