Calidude
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That's also to do with the tiny size of the keyboard on the screen, which according to every indication we've had thus far, won't be changing in terms of width this year.
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cyks
macrumors 68020
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It's a shame that they've allowed the site to deter so far from that simple goal.
Heck, for the the most part, I'd be fine with negative comments that add to or invite discussion, but most seem to be here to simply to complain, bash Apple, or, as I said earlier, mock those who choose to use their products.
It didn't miss keys, you did. I find it hard to believe that it's the keyboards fault you're missing keys. It only inputs what you press.
I never said it was the only industry accepted benchmark, you are twisting my words. In that example, the guy didn't even have the phones I was comparing.
If I say, "Phone A is slower than phone B, as shown by reviewing the benchmark results of the most widely used industry standard benchmarking tool."
And someone responds with screenshots that are:
1. Not from the two phones I was comparing.
And
2. Using an unidentified benchmark that is not related to the one in my statement.
I fail to see how that proves me wrong.
I also fail to see how me not giving the details of my "100 reasons" post, results in me being proved wrong.
Can you explain your position, and why you believe I was proved wrong in the above examples?
Hmmm...maybe so. I consider myself a fast typer but I've never had the problem you describe.
I've had every iteration of the iPhone. I just purchased the Samsung Galaxy S3 and will be retiring the iPhone 4S. I would never had thought I would use anything else, but the iPhone. One of the areas I think Apple dropped the ball was moving from a summer release to a fall release.
I can't put my finger on it, but somewhere along the line the Apple iPhone lost its luster for me and I find that to be a shame. I wish Apple would do something to change things. We shall see...
I can't put my finger on it, but somewhere along the line the Apple iPhone lost its luster for me and I find that to be a shame. I wish Apple would do something to change things. We shall see...
Mac.World
macrumors 68000
I can actually sympathize with onthecouchagain.
The keyboard on the iPad constantly misses keys and I have to go back and correct my posts. It can be very frustrating. I know it is the users fault for missing key touches, but it is my hope that Apple has incorporated some sort of predictive algorithm into the iOS6 keyboard that actually does auto-correct words, missed spaces or extra spaces. Basically, I want iOS to fix my typing mistakes!
I mean if Google can do this, surely Apple can! I don't use my phone at all for posting on forums and my texts are always very short, so I don't notice any issues there. Just with the iPad.
Waiting with anticipation to see what additional stuff that wasn't talked about at WWDC is in iOS6.
onthecouchagain
macrumors 604
Indeed. Batting1000 continues to insist that I'm missing the keys, and not the keyboard (because it couldn't possibly be the keyboard 🙄), yet I don't get the same level of missed keys with my Galaxy Nexus. It happens on my iPad all the time too, and it happened frequently when I had my 4S.
The saddest thing, however, is that there's no indication that Apple plans to improve the keyboard in any substantial way in iOS 6. The fact that the iPhone keyboard gave birth to those Damn You iPhone Auto Correct sites coupled with the fact that the iOS keyboard has remained largely unchanged since its incarnation should tell anyone that it isn't an isolated incident. Either Apple thinks it's perfectly fine the way it is or they're withholding improvements for a yet future update. Either way, it sucks.
On a slightly related note: Dictation on iOS sort of sucks too, especially when you're speaking out a long sentence. Dictation on ICS is amazingly accurate. I am genuinely amazed and shocked each time it gets it right. It can handle very long sentences too because it types out the words as you speak, whereas in iOS, the dictation waits until you're done and hit the Mic key before it imputes any words. And when the sentences get long, it's ridiculous how many errors there are. I really hope Apple eventually plans to update the keyboard/dictation for the sake of my iPad use.
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To some extent I agree. While I think a wider screen would help with the keyboard, the fundamental issue is the software side of keyboard. I notice the same thing happening when I type on my iPad too: missed keys, stupid auto corrections, etc.
The only one saving grace the iOS keyboard has is shortcuts (which is finally coming to Jelly Bean. I can't tell you how many times I've emailed Google's suggestion page to incorporate that. I was doing that even before iOS had that feature. I used to love that feature from my BB days).
The keyboard just needs to be improved. It was amazing years ago but the competition has surpassed it by leaps and bounds. (And actually, I don't know if it's nostalgia or just my imagination, but I could have sworn, my 3GS typed faster than my 4S did too.) :shrug:
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These are people concerned with specific features and specs, or just fad chasers. They don't care about overall user experience, their focus is too narrow. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
VulchR
macrumors 68040
[Entering 'broken record' rant mode] I certainly agree with the OP that there is interesting that there is a lot of negative posts and threads about the iPhone in this forum. Obviously this reflects the increasing maturity and desirability of the alternatives. However, I believe it also reflects the editorial policy of MR not to have a dedicated sub-forum for comparing iOS to other OS's. If there were a sub-forum for all of these iOS-versus-other-OS discussions, perhaps there would be fewer redundant threads. [/end rant]
My take on this upswing in negativity about the iPhone is that it due to Apple losing its clear lead in designing mobile phones. Thus two groups of people post regularly here: First, there are those who are genuinely interested not so much in how individual products compare, but where the industry as a whole is headed and how far the technology can be pushed. Since Apple is not pushing the envelope in all aspects, these people discuss how other manufacturers are progressing. The second group want to see themselves as trendy and hip so they bounce from the Next Big Thing to the Subsequent Bigger Thingy, belittling everybody who do not follow their path in order to bolster their egos. No doubt some of this group who now insult Apple users in MR are also the same ones who were smug initially to non-iPhone users and who complained when the iPhone became less exclusive. On my part, I wish the second group would be trendy and hip elsewhere.
My take on this upswing in negativity about the iPhone is that it due to Apple losing its clear lead in designing mobile phones. Thus two groups of people post regularly here: First, there are those who are genuinely interested not so much in how individual products compare, but where the industry as a whole is headed and how far the technology can be pushed. Since Apple is not pushing the envelope in all aspects, these people discuss how other manufacturers are progressing. The second group want to see themselves as trendy and hip so they bounce from the Next Big Thing to the Subsequent Bigger Thingy, belittling everybody who do not follow their path in order to bolster their egos. No doubt some of this group who now insult Apple users in MR are also the same ones who were smug initially to non-iPhone users and who complained when the iPhone became less exclusive. On my part, I wish the second group would be trendy and hip elsewhere.
You use ios and apps interchangeably. You can't really do that, as one day those apps might not be available (Siri before Apple bought it was available and now it isn't, and even built in apps like Google maps is no longer available for example). You need to compare the features of stock phones, not stock phones plus all the available apps.
When comparing stock devices, Android can clearly do a lot more than iOS.
The reason you have to compare stock features of two devices is because nobody can go through every app on both platforms and compare features.
Debating is not mocking!
I guess all these "negative" threads more than ever reflect that AAPL is not as innovative as it used to be. It is not because a company disappoints its loyal customers that they have no right to complain, or no right to challenge...
I hope some AAPL guys are screening this forum and others every single day to have useful info reported to whoever needs it in this organization. If not, well, then AAPL might deserve what is about to happen if nothing outstanding comes in line soon...
cyks
macrumors 68020
Perhaps this thread isn't, but there are plenty that are and it is another disheartening trend seen recently around here.
This makes sense, from a certain point of view. But people here aren't using stock phones, purchasing zero apps. If there is a difference between app availability or features, that is certainly a factor in consumer decisions. People here keep trying to make these comparisons about some sort of objective newsreel nirvana. Personally, I actually use my electronics for various tasks or fun.
Tinmania
macrumors 68040
I can't believe his only explanation is "you type slower." I don't know anyone who can type on iOS faster than me and there is no "missing keys" problem.
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I think people... MYSELF included are finally waking up to realize that Apple is no longer the pioneer, while still producing amazing products, the days of them being the only one to do so are long gone.
Looking ahead, unless Apple has something VERY secretive up their sleeve, I see even more disappointment going forward.
I actually put my 4S up on ebay this weekend and will be moving to something new and different.
One thing I have noticed is the resale values of iPhones have dropped considerably in the past few weeks, as much as $50 or more. According to eBay.
While I'm 100% certain Apple aint going anywhere any time soon, I would suggest it's time they take note and recognize their army of helpless followers is dwindling by the day.
Looking ahead, unless Apple has something VERY secretive up their sleeve, I see even more disappointment going forward.
I actually put my 4S up on ebay this weekend and will be moving to something new and different.
One thing I have noticed is the resale values of iPhones have dropped considerably in the past few weeks, as much as $50 or more. According to eBay.
While I'm 100% certain Apple aint going anywhere any time soon, I would suggest it's time they take note and recognize their army of helpless followers is dwindling by the day.
I remember people where laughing at me months ago when I was writing that pressure is extremely high on AAPL shoulders for upcoming october launch.
It is not because iphone5 is a good seller that AAPL as a company will not suffer, especially after such a huge lack of innovation for months
Hermes Monster
macrumors 65816
When the 3GS came out I was annoyed at the incremental upgrade, so I moved to the HTC Desire. Two months later, I was loving my new 3GS..
When the iPhone 4S came out, I was annoyed at the incremental update, and moved to the GSII, and didn't look back for whole two months, and when I had to have it replaced I sold it and went back to my iPhone4.
Android is superior in pretty much every way, when it comes to what you can do with it, and it's only getting better, JB looks lush. For me though, it just wasn't as useable as iOS, I installed plenty of the launchers for it, and every available keyboard, all of them just didn't make it a nice user experience. I'm somewhere between a power user and a casual user, and I prefer iOS for my needs.
iOS6 doesn't amaze me and I'm annoyed that maps looks to be taking a step back, but the core apps are not what I use...it's all about th app store. Apples app store > googles, and that for me is the difference. That's why I wont be making the mistake of going back to Android again.
Not sure I've made any valid points there, but those are my feelings.
When the iPhone 4S came out, I was annoyed at the incremental update, and moved to the GSII, and didn't look back for whole two months, and when I had to have it replaced I sold it and went back to my iPhone4.
Android is superior in pretty much every way, when it comes to what you can do with it, and it's only getting better, JB looks lush. For me though, it just wasn't as useable as iOS, I installed plenty of the launchers for it, and every available keyboard, all of them just didn't make it a nice user experience. I'm somewhere between a power user and a casual user, and I prefer iOS for my needs.
iOS6 doesn't amaze me and I'm annoyed that maps looks to be taking a step back, but the core apps are not what I use...it's all about th app store. Apples app store > googles, and that for me is the difference. That's why I wont be making the mistake of going back to Android again.
Not sure I've made any valid points there, but those are my feelings.
I miss the two letters to the key, predictive text and user customizable dictionary that my BB Storm2 had. It was awesome. Best part of the phone, everything else sucked. 🙁
Yeah. I've never had an issue on my iPhone or iPad where keys were skipped or whatever. 🙄
I understand your point and it makes sense, but you can't make statements like "iOS can do more than Android" or "Android can do more than iOS" and include the apps when there are SO many apps. There could be a camera app on Android with ten times as many features as the best of iOS, but it only has five downloads so hardly anyone knows about it.
This is why if you're going to compare features, it really needs to be comparing the features of specific apps or of the OSes themselves.
The difficulty of course with such comparisons is that it's limited only to the apps that each person has tried or knows about on each platform. For example, I use my camera for quick snaps on GS3, whereas DodgeV83 appears to use his iPhone as a serious photography device. As such, he can annihilate me in a discussion about which is better for photography purposes because I don't have knowledge about those apps. However, if he started talking to somebody who used their Android phone as a serious photography device, he would get more of a run for his money.
Am I making sense? 😛
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You are certainly making sense. But isn't this comment what we are doing? Frankly, comparisons of the OSes alone is pointless for consumers. Means more for devs.
What I mean is, for a fair comparison it needs to be comparing the features of one particular app on each OS.
Dodge regularly just spews out a load of apps available on iOS that aren't available on Android and cites that as the reason why iOS can do more. Clearly that's a poor argument. 😛
Well then widgets and all the other customization stuff on Android can't be used as an argument against iOS because we don't have that.