Interesting threads displaying trending iPhone (semi) discontent

[matttye]

Well then widgets and all the other customization stuff on Android can't be used as an argument against iOS because we don't have that.

That's different. They're built into the very core of the OS, so it's abundantly clear that Android supports those features whereas iOS does not.

Whereas when you compare apps, it's a lot more difficult to compare features because not every app can be checked for similar features. You need to compare the OS itself or individual apps.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I can't believe his only explanation is "you type slower." I don't know anyone who can type on iOS faster than me and there is no "missing keys" problem.




Michael

So of all the people you know, none of them type faster than you, therefore, you must be the fastest typer in the world. ... Okay.

Again, never mind my personal account (or those of other forum members here who have complained of the same issues with the keyboard), just look at the fact that the iPhone keyboard gave birth to that "Damn You iPhone Auto Correction" internet phenomenon. Even if a lot of those are fake nowadays, the fact that it created that phenomenon coupled with the fact that the iOS keyboard has remained largely unchanged should tell anyone that something is wrong.

Could there be any user error? Of course. But to think that it's always a person tapping the wrong key, as Batting1000 is implying, is absurd because missed keys don't happen from tapping the wrong key -- those are called typos. Missed keys happen when the keyboard doesn't register a key press.

For example, if I was trying to type "Hey how's it going?" and it came out as "Hy, how's it oing?" those are missed keys (versus if it came out "hry how's it guing?" -- that would be an example of hitting the wrong keys). This happens all the time on my iPad, and happened frequently when I used to have a 4S.

Not sure why this is so difficult to believe or understand, especially given that it's littered all over the internet, and that others have said they experience the same thing on this very forum (this is but one example from a quick search: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1383529/. I've seen plenty of other threads.).

And when letters are missed, the auto correct thinks you're actually trying to say something else, and it auto corrects it to a ridiculous and unrelated word. Or it just remains a word with missed letters (I often see "thy" instead of "they" for example).

Finally, as I've already said, missed keys is but one of a few reasons why the iOS keyboard pales in comparison to stock Android keyboard (especially more so if you want to compare it to third party keyboards and all their features -- have you tried Android keyboards?).

I'm happy the iOS keyboard works for you and Batting1000, but it is very prone to missing keys, and to think that it doesn't just because you're the fastest typer amongst people you know is irrelevant.

 

[Zaft]

These are just my experiences. I started out with iPhone and got bored shortly after the 4 came out. I switched to android because of widgets and customizations. 3 phones later I'm back with iphone 4S. I started with the droid x, it was good but the camera was terrible and it would always reboot randomly. Next was htc thunderbolt. Battery life terrible on 4g and again it rebooted randomly. Lastly Dinc2 would reboot randomly. I just got sick of it and I personally don't ever plan on going back.

 

[matttye]

So of all the people you know, none of them type faster than you, therefore, you must be the fastest typer in the world. ... Okay.

Again, never mind my personal account (or those of other forum members here who have complained of the same issues with the keyboard), just look at the fact that the iPhone keyboard gave birth to that "Damn You iPhone Auto Correction" internet phenomenon. Even if a lot of those are fake nowadays, the fact that it created that phenomenon coupled with the fact that the iOS keyboard has remained largely unchanged should tell anyone that something is wrong.

Could there be any user error? Of course. But to think that it's always a person tapping the wrong key, as Batting1000 is implying, is absurd because missed keys don't happen from tapping the wrong key -- those are called typos. Missed keys happen when the keyboard doesn't register a key press.

For example, if I was trying to type "Hey how's it going?" and it came out as "Hy, how's it oing?" those are missed keys (versus if it came out "hry how's it guing?" -- that would be an example of hitting the wrong keys). This happens all the time on my iPad, and happened frequently when I used to have a 4S.

Not sure why this is so difficult to believe or understand, especially given that it's littered all over the internet, and that others have said they experience the same thing on this very forum (this is but one example from a quick search: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1383529/. I've seen plenty of other threads.).

And when letters are missed, the auto correct thinks you're actually trying to say something else, and it auto corrects it to a ridiculous and unrelated word.

Finally, as I've already said, missed keys is but one of a few reasons why the iOS keyboard pales in comparison to stock Android keyboard (especially more so if you want to compare it to third party keyboards and all their features).

The main pitfall of the iOS keyboard is that it only offers one autocorrect suggestion, whereas others give you a choice of a few.

 

[Tones2]

An OS is just an OS. Who cares.

I'm switching because of HARDWARE. Apple will take 2+ years to get a 4.8" screen and I want one now. They will also probably NEVER have microSD and I want to swap microSD cards to get al my music and video available when I want it. I've grown weary of waiting on Apple. They take too long to implement current hardware trends. I'm glad I'm getting of this waiting cycle. It was driving me nuts.

I never thought I'd switch because of the app $ investment I have to eat. But now's the right time as I don't see Apple responding to current trends in the next generation phone and the Samsung SGS3 is a killer phone. Plus, I can always use the iPhone to run any important apps I use that are not available on Android (very few), as I'll still have it. It's all good.

 

[batting1000]

That's different. They're built into the very core of the OS, so it's abundantly clear that Android supports those features whereas iOS does not.

Whereas when you compare apps, it's a lot more difficult to compare features because not every app can be checked for similar features. You need to compare the OS itself or individual apps.

How are they not built-in to the core?

 

[matttye]

How are they not built-in to the core?

Because they're not there when you first buy the iPhone. They're not part of the OS.

Was that a real question?

 

[Meanee]

The example given was of software not being compatible with the device, not an update issue.

Also, it's been shown that flashing ROMs compromises the security of the device. Taking the chance that your identity, credit card numbers, or proprietary corporate information might get stolen, isn't a smart risk to take for an early update. This has already happened, protect yourselves.

You are a quick build.prop edit from being able to use it. With build.prop, you can have your phone appear as anything you want. When S Voice was leaked, everyone tried it. Then servers started blocking every request that didn't come from Samsung Galaxy S3. A quick build.prop edit fixed that.

It sucks that you have to use these methods to go around things, but at least you can do it.

 

[Tinmania]

So of all the people you know, none of them type faster than you, therefore, you must be the fastest typer in the world. ... Okay.

Again, never mind my personal account (or those of other forum members here who have complained of the same issues with the keyboard), just look at the fact that the iPhone keyboard gave birth to that "Damn You iPhone Auto Correction" internet phenomenon. Even if a lot of those are fake nowadays, the fact that it created that phenomenon coupled with the fact that the iOS keyboard has remained largely unchanged should tell anyone that something is wrong.

Could there be any user error? Of course. But to think that it's always a person tapping the wrong key, as Batting1000 is implying, is absurd because missed keys don't happen from tapping the wrong key -- those are called typos. Missed keys happen when the keyboard doesn't register a key press.

For example, if I was trying to type "Hey how's it going?" and it came out as "Hy, how's it oing?" those are missed keys (versus if it came out "hry how's it guing?" -- that would be an example of hitting the wrong keys). This happens all the time on my iPad, and happened frequently when I used to have a 4S.

Not sure why this is so difficult to believe or understand, especially given that it's littered all over the internet, and that others have said they experience the same thing on this very forum (this is but one example from a quick search: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1383529/. I've seen plenty of other threads.).

And when letters are missed, the auto correct thinks you're actually trying to say something else, and it auto corrects it to a ridiculous and unrelated word. Or it just remains a word with missed letters (I often see "thy" instead of "they" for example).

Finally, as I've already said, missed keys is but one of a few reasons why the iOS keyboard pales in comparison to stock Android keyboard (especially more so if you want to compare it to third party keyboards and all their features -- have you tried Android keyboards?).

I'm happy the iOS keyboard works for you and Batting1000, but it is very prone to missing keys, and to think that it doesn't just because you're the fastest typer amongst people you know is irrelevant.

Still don't buy your argument. It is not "just" me and Batting1000. A few people claiming it in this thread is hardly a trend. In fact I suspect you could not demonstrate what you are claiming if it was properly recorded. I suspect you would see you either didn't actually tap the screen, or just missed a letter entirely for whatever reason.

I can tap as fast as I can, alternating between just two letters for speed, and no missed characters. This is about 3 times faster than I can normally type. I'm talking borderline sounds like a machine-gun speed. No skipped anything.

Bringing up the auto-correct humor website is irrelevant as that happens all the time in normal typing. It is not due to skipping characters--it's due to, well, miss-typing. For sure auto-correct on iOS can be GREATLY improved. But that is nothing like the skipping issue you are claiming.

Also note that I am not blindly defending the iPhone here: I only posted into this thread originally because I do think Apple needs to really step up their game. I was pretty much let down after the 4S was released. I fear the next iPhone's biggest feature will be a slightly lengthened screen (LTE is a given so I can't even count that as a feature).

It is going to take a much better update to keep me with an iPhone. That is coming from someone who has stayed with the iPhone since it came out in 2007.




Michael

 

[Grolubao]

I have to disagree. I think the next iPhone will sell, but it will sell because of hype. In the end it will run iOS6 which doesn't bring anything groundbreaking to the table, and still doesn't quite catch it up with ICS, let alone Jellybean. On the hardware side, it really doesn't matter what processor and GPU it runs, because in the end it's still iOS. iOS doesn't really require any tremendous amount of horsepower because of how it's designed. The most that will be exciting for iPhone fans will be an increase in screen size and perhaps NFC, none of which is particular much reason to celebrate. With what we know about iOS6, I don't see how the next iPhone is going to be all that "sexy". That's not me trying to take a shot or anything, it's just me being a realist. Of course, I could be wrong, but that's how I see it playing out.

Exactly my thoughts. Anyway, I'm still holding on until they release the iPhone 5 to make my decision, but most probably I'll jump ship

 

[batting1000]

Because they're not there when you first buy the iPhone. They're not part of the OS.

Was that a real question?

Was that a real answer?

I recall every Android device coming with preinstalled widgets.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Still don't buy your argument. It is not "just" me and Batting1000. A few people claiming it in this thread is hardly a trend. In fact I suspect you could not demonstrate what you are claiming if it was properly recorded. I suspect you would see you either didn't actually tap the screen, or just missed a letter entirely for whatever reason.

I can tap as fast as I can, alternating between just two letters for speed, and no missed characters. This is about 3 times faster than I can normally type. I'm talking borderline sounds like a machine-gun speed. No skipped anything.

Bringing up the auto-correct humor website is irrelevant as that happens all the time in normal typing. It is not due to skipping characters--it's due to, well, miss-typing. For sure auto-correct on iOS can be GREATLY improved. But that is nothing like the skipping issue you are claiming.

Also note that I am not blindly defending the iPhone here: I only posted into this thread originally because I do think Apple needs to really step up their game. I was pretty much let down after the 4S was released. I fear the next iPhone's biggest feature will be a slightly lengthened screen (LTE is a given so I can't even count that as a feature).

It is going to take a much better update to keep me with an iPhone. That is coming from someone who has stayed with the iPhone since it came out in 2007.




Michael

Fair enough. Glad the keyboard works for you.

 

[matttye]

Was that a real answer?

I recall every Android device coming with preinstalled widgets.

I didn't say it didn't. I said that widgets ARE built into the core of the Android OS, but iOS apps ARE NOT.

 

[blackhand1001]

I miss the two letters to the key, predictive text and user customizable dictionary that my BB Storm2 had. It was awesome. Best part of the phone, everything else sucked.

I had the storm 2 at one point and I did like that as well. I liked the surepress screen kind of but I did end up buying a droid incredible off a computer client of mine for really cheap as my first android phone. I really liked that phone. My mother is now using it on CM7.2.

 

[batting1000]

Well I wasn't talking about that. I know they aren't on the iPhone, lol, that was my point.

I was saying how could you use Androids widgets against iOS if iOS doesn't have them?

 

[Tinmania]

Fair enough. Glad the keyboard works for you.

I was only addressing speed and skipping letters.

I do not like:

No way to control or manage auto-correct. Currently I am getting "Ånd" instead of "and" on my iPhone. Just by typing "and." Lovely.

Spell-checker that needs words to be very close to correct in order to offer suggestions. The basic checker in OS X is much better. Better yet are the google suggestions that you can get in Chrome (outstanding).

Single words in auto-correct.

And my biggest peeve, which has been there since iOS 1.0: the damned magnifying bubble. I always seem to need it the most at the upper edge of the screen, where it is quite often a real pain to use--if you can even see what you are editing (with the bubble mostly off-screen). That is terrible behavior in my opinion.




Michael

 

[Wrathwitch]

Look at the join dates of the majority of people complaining. To me, that says far more of the story than anything else.

I believe it's those people who are the ones causing the most complaints... because they finally realized that Apple doesn't operate the way they think they should.

People buying Apple computers don't buy them because they're the fastest around or the cheapest.

Personally, I just wish those not happy with Apple would simply leave and let this site get back to what it's supposed to be- talking about rumors of future products and helping one another.

I can't be the only one tired of people complaining, comparing every little thing to an Android device, or calling those who willingly choose to use Apple products iSheep, punch drinkers, or some other derogatory term.

If you really like a product and you find yourself becoming dissatisfied with it, you generally commiserate with friends/peers/people who have the same interests.

Some of us here don't complain about everything and compare every little thing. I for one was curious enough to take the plunge and am enjoying sharing with Apple community.

I haven't seen an Android phone that can do more than an iPhone. Everytime I do this comparison with an Android co-worker, he exhausts the "widgets, keyboards, task managers...etc" list well before I exhaust mine.

It doesn't do more things, it does different things.

You are so right in some ways. For the most part they do the same thing, just differently. Today I was disgusted to discover that Android who can do anything could not copy and paste content from one of my emails to paste into Samsung Memo.....

So you root your phone and install a custom ROM, easy. As I said, this is NOT an option you have with Apple. If they decide you can't have the OS, you are screwed.

It takes like 10 minutes to root a phone and flash a ROM. If plugging your phone into your computer and punching in a few lines of code is over someones head then yea, they are not the brightest and should stick with something like the iPhone that does all the thinking for you.

Easy eh? I am by far from stupid, but I have browsed into some of these scripts etc that are needed to Root etc, and I do not feel that it is crystal clear. Also, just because something isn't easy for the first go doesn't mean someone can't learn it and no reason they should have to stick "with something like the iPhone". What do you know about Welding? I could weld circles around you. For me it's easy. But it wasn't always so.

What is needed is the WILLINGNESS to learn which I have plenty of, just no experience as of yet with Android. Don't be too hard on Apple fans, just because we like the tech does not make us simple people.

 

[ks-man]

I am also a longtime iPhone user (3G and 4) that's seriously debating what I want to do with my next phone. Sept-Nov fits perfectly for my timing so I'm definitely going to be curious to see what the iPhone 5 brings as well as taking a look at the Galaxy S3 and see what new phones are coming from Android at that time (new Nexus or Note).

The other major factor in my mind is what AT&T does about unlimited LTE (I'm grandfathered) and how Sprint's NV (LTE) rollout goes. I'm in Chicago which is supposed to go live on Sprint LTE around October.

The main pros for me with sticking with the iPhone is that I'm so familiar with the architecture as I've been using it for 4 years and I've accumulated a large number of Apps. I'll still have the iPad so I still benefit from my apps but I'm sure I'll have to buy a bunch of new ones for Android which I've already paid for on iOS

The pros for Android for me are definitely screen size (assuming the 5 goes up to 4" max) as I have large hands and I'm sure can comfortably hold a 4.5"+ screen. I'm also in the camp of believing that the hardware of Android top tier phones is starting to outpace the iPhone.

Even 6-12 months ago I would never have imagined that I'd be considering switching but it is as much a testament to Android (and Samsung) as it is a knock on Apple. I really hope that Apple just wows us all with something incredible with the next release and we all are forced to eat crow.

One other interesting note. My wife has had an Android phone (Evo Shift) and can't wait for her upgrade cycle to renew so she can get an iPhone. The Evo Shift was a very poor phone in my mind (coupled with legacy Sprint which sucks) and the older Android software doesn't compare to ICS or JB but I also think people get jealous of what they don't have. She wants to go to an iPhone and I'm considering going the other way. Part of it is human nature to desire what you don't have.

 

[matttye]

Well I wasn't talking about that. I know they aren't on the iPhone, lol, that was my point.

I was saying how could you use Androids widgets against iOS if iOS doesn't have them?

Because iOS doesn't have them...?

Not sure what you're getting at here!

 

[batting1000]

Because iOS doesn't have them...?

Not sure what you're getting at here!

You obviously are not understanding me here. Let me explain this in an easy to use manner.

Bob has an Android phone. John has an iPhone. Android has widgets. iPhone does not have widgets. Bob makes fun of John because John's iPhone does not have widgets.

Dodge regularly just spews out a load of apps available on iOS that aren't available on Android and cites that as the reason why iOS can do more. Clearly that's a poor argument.

According to your reasoning above, Bob's argument that his phone is better because it has widgets is a poor argument because iOS does not have them.

Thus, when comparing iPhone and Android, it would not be fair to cite widgets as a reason Android can do more because iOS lacks widgets.

This has become irrelevant because you don't seem to be understanding me.

 

[matttye]

You obviously are not understanding me here. Let me explain this in an easy to use manner.

Bob has an Android phone. John has an iPhone. Android has widgets. iPhone does not have widgets. Bob makes fun of John because John's iPhone does not have widgets.



According to your reasoning above, Bob should not be able use widgets as a weapon against John's iPhone because iPhone does not have widgets.

Thus, when comparing iPhone and Android, it would not be fair to cite widgets as a reason Android can do more because iOS lacks widgets.

This has become irrelevant because you don't seem to be understanding me.

I understand what you're trying to say perfectly, but your logic is all wrong.

Just because a certain app isn't available on Android doesn't mean other apps aren't available, some of which do it better. My point is that there are SO many apps on both platforms you can't really compare them with any degree of accuracy. You can compare the base features and individual apps, however.

 

[Hermes Monster]

What I don't get with the next iPhone, is if the screen is the same width but taller, how will apps look? I suspect it would be closer to the cinema screen ratio so you may lose the black bars when watching a movie, but other than that I cant see how it's going to work?

 

[batting1000]

I understand what you're trying to say perfectly, but your logic is all wrong.

Just because a certain app isn't available on Android doesn't mean other apps aren't available, some of which do it better. My point is that there are SO many apps on both platforms you can't really compare them with any degree of accuracy. You can compare the base features and individual apps, however.

Yes, but there's no alternative way of getting widgets without jailbreaking.

 

[Tinmania]

What I don't get with the next iPhone, is if the screen is the same width but taller, how will apps look? I suspect it would be closer to the cinema screen ratio so you may lose the black bars when watching a movie, but other than that I cant see how it's going to work?

Well productivity apps won't need to do much: you'll just see more of an email, listing, etc.

Games and other apps would have to be updated to use the whole screen. I suspect if not updated they will just not use the whole screen.

That is assuming the stretched 4" screen is what we get (or all we get). If that is it I am not sure I care about how it is handled: I might not be getting that iPhone anyway.

Part of my problem is that I am kind of entrenched in the ecosystem: Apple TVs, 2 macs, iPhone, and iPad. How have others handled switching platforms for the phone while keeping the other Apple products? Is it really much of an issue?





Michael

 

[Hermes Monster]

Well productivity apps won't need to do much: you'll just see more of an email, listing, etc.

Games and other apps would have to be updated to use the whole screen. I suspect if not updated they will just not use the whole screen.

That is assuming the stretched 4" screen is what we get (or all we get). If that is it I am not sure I care about how it is handled: I might not be getting that iPhone anyway.

Part of my problem is that I am kind of entrenched in the ecosystem: Apple TVs, 2 macs, iPhone, and iPad. How have others handled switching platforms for the phone while keeping the other Apple products? Is it really much of an issue?





Michael

Making Devs change all of their apps to use the full screen will annoy a lot people I suspect, simply stretching most of them just will not work will it?

To answer your question, I found that missed iTunes, which I had so badly bemoaned for years, but there are alternatives. What I found was I had to install a new app for each individual action, I.e. music, video, photos etc

Double Twist was a good alternative to iTunes for music, but I found the actual app wasn't a patch on the in built iPod - plus you miss all little things, like your text messages being restored

KITS (or something) was the Samsung alternative, and was just beyond useless, this was after Lion had been released, they'd upated their app to work with it but it didn't work...so you had to try and find an old version to install and then upgrade it. Once I finally installed it, it was practically just a read only app, telling me what was on my phone but didn't allow me to actually do anything - luckily you can just drag and drop...