Interesting threads displaying trending iPhone (semi) discontent

[rotobadger]

No. He's saying he's thinking about switching. He's coming here and posting a thread about what he might do so people will side with him, making him feel better about about switching.

You either didn't read my original post thoroughly or you didn't understand it. I think, like many threads here, the spirit of what I was trying to convey has been lost after several pages of replies and has deteriorated somewhat into name calling and arguing.

In one respect you are correct regarding my "insecurity". I am uncomfortable making a switch from a platform that I have been using for the last five years to something entirely new and unfamiliar. I would likely use a 2 year commitment to get a subsidized price on the phone and would, in effect, be stuck with my decision. So yes, I am insecure about making that leap.

I am not seeking the approval of members to "side" with me. I am curious as to why some members are contemplating making a change and may be able to use that information to (ultimately) make an intelligent and informed decision if and when the time comes.

Although I appreciate the free psychological evaluation I think your PhD could be put to better use elsewhere.

On another note, thanks for the great replies. There have been some excellent points made on both sides of the OS debate.

Oh, and I'm typing this on my iPhone with a bluetooth keyboard. Just so ya know!

 

[s15119]

Being able to do more with your phone?

Nope, I can do everything I need to do with my iPhone. Thanks.

 

[blackhand1001]

US version has already been rooted.

Yeah bootloaders unlocked. On any unlocked boot loader phone root is extremely simple. They don't need an exploit to root. Just flash a custom recovery and flash superuser.

 

[batting1000]

You either didn't read my original post thoroughly or you didn't understand it. I think, like many threads here, the spirit of what I was trying to convey has been lost after several pages of replies and has deteriorated somewhat into name calling and arguing.

In one respect you are correct regarding my "insecurity". I am uncomfortable making a switch from a platform that I have been using for the last five years to something entirely new and unfamiliar. I would likely use a 2 year commitment to get a subsidized price on the phone and would, in effect, be stuck with my decision. So yes, I am insecure about making that leap.

I am not seeking the approval of members to "side" with me. I am curious as to why some members are contemplating making a change and may be able to use that information to (ultimately) make an intelligent and informed decision if and when the time comes. IMHO, people need to make a decision for themselves. Everyone has different needs so someone else's reasons may or may not apply to you, which isn't helpful.

Although I appreciate the free psychological evaluation I think your PhD could be put to better use elsewhere.

On another note, thanks for the great replies. There have been some excellent points made on both sides of the OS debate.

Oh, and I'm typing this on my iPhone with a bluetooth keyboard. Just so ya know!

I understand your intentions, but I don't see why you warranted a separate thread when there are already a couple other threads where users are considering switching, as well as the 4S vs. S3 thread. All these threads turn into is a debate as to which OS is better, rather than a legitimate discussion as to why people are contemplating switching as you said you wanted to know.

 

[matttye]

We're going around in circles. You still don't understand me. Please, go read what I posted before. According to what you said, you should not be citing widgets as an advantage over iOS if iOS does not have them. You used the example of apps, but it's more or less the same thing.

...and yes, widgets can be and usually are 3rd party apps, aside from the preinstalled ones.

But the ability to use widgets themselves is an os feature. We're going round in circles because of you not being able to comprehend that important difference.

 

[matttye]

I could break down the issues by phone but there would be no point.

Generally, HTC's were primarily saddled with software issues because Sense is a bloated laggy buggy disgusting mess.

Samsungs were plagued with bad hardware, and connectivity issues. Primarily GPS and reception. Touchwiz was more stable than HTC sense, but battery pulls due to crashed widgets, frozen apps and force closes were frequent.

The Sprint version of the GS2 was the best but it was too big and I wanted GSM so I got the AT&T version; it had a very different flavor of Touchwiz that was not as stable or reliable as the Sprint version; it was missing quite a few features compared to the Sprint model as well. Plus the battery life was total ass.

Then came the iPhone 4S. No more drama. iOS is super stable. Battery life is great. Reception and data speeds are sound. GPS works. No funky hardware quirks. It does exactly what I want it to do, which is not get noticed while I perform smartphone like tasks.

Do I miss certain things about android? Sure, but there is no way in hell I'd go back to the shoddy craftsmanship, poor support, buggy software, updates drama and inferior, less polished app selection.

Fair enough.

I experience the odd crash but nothing major. My HTC Desire was the worst of the three and that was quite stable in itself. Galaxy S3 is as stable and fast as my iPad 2 - I think it's the first Android phone to come out with ios levels of smoothness.

Obviously everyone has different experiences though.

 

[matttye]

I see where you're coming from, we just have two different perspectives on this. You're comparing direct OS to OS features, while I'm comparing the whole package of what the OS allows you to accomplish.

If you ask a normal user what OS "features" Windows 7 has over Ubuntu that makes him choose Windows 7, he will undoubtedly say "applications". If you press the user to choose an OS "feature", not an application, I doubt he will be able to list many Windows features at all, and will likely just say the Start Menu looks nicer.

What you're saying is simply not how people look at Operating Systems. People view an OS as a portal to their applications. If I'm giving a recommendation to a photographer, I would say "Windows does more for you" and mention Photoshop and other Windows-Exclusive photography applications.

If I'm talking to a gamer, I'd say "Windows does more for you" and list the hundreds of AAA quality games for the platform.

When I list iOS exclusive apps and say "iOS can do more" I am referring to a specific category like photography, videos, navigation, working out, audio, games...etc

I understand your points, but I reiterate that any such arguments are only going to be as strong as the people who are arguing's experience with apps on each platform.

I could say that Android is the better platform for photography because I've used more photography related apps on Android than iOS. You can only refute that argument if you know of better apps on ios and, in turn, I could then only refute your counter-argument if I know of better apps still. That's why nobody is going to fully reply to your list of 100 things that the iPhone can apparently do better; because nobody can refute all 100 of them if they haven't tried the apps. That doesn't mean they don't exist, however.

There are too many apps on both platforms to properly argue which is better because nobody can try them all. You have to compare something that's measurable; the os feature set and what apps are actually allowed to do.

 

[blackhand1001]

I see where you're coming from, we just have two different perspectives on this. You're comparing direct OS to OS features, while I'm comparing the whole package of what the OS allows you to accomplish.

If you ask a normal user what OS "features" Windows 7 has over Ubuntu that makes him choose Windows 7, he will undoubtedly say "applications". If you press the user to choose an OS "feature", not an application, I doubt he will be able to list many Windows features at all, and will likely just say the Start Menu looks nicer.

What you're saying is simply not how people look at Operating Systems. People view an OS as a portal to their applications. If I'm giving a recommendation to a photographer, I would say "Windows does more for you" and mention Photoshop and other Windows-Exclusive photography applications.

If I'm talking to a gamer, I'd say "Windows does more for you" and list the hundreds of AAA quality games for the platform.

When I list iOS exclusive apps and say "iOS can do more" I am referring to a specific category like photography, videos, navigation, working out, audio, games...etc

There you go again with the navigation arguement. DO you really think anyone is taking you seriously when you say iOS is better with navigation. Theres also much better support for codecs on android for videos and audio so that one is won by android as well.

 

[Matters30]

Oh really?? um.. is it as "safe" as the google playstore?



I will definitely consider this. What I do want is a way to inject those photos into iPhoto though. Can I get them in there from Dropbox? Seems kind of stupid to have to two step it. Also I am against having all of my photos stored in the cloud. I don't own the cloud, but I do own my own HD.

I definitely will look into the music bit that you mentioned.



I think that if they can Root the European version, it is only a matter of time before they can and do Root the North American version.

Same I would think

 

[Technarchy]

Fair enough.

I experience the odd crash but nothing major. My HTC Desire was the worst of the three and that was quite stable in itself. Galaxy S3 is as stable and fast as my iPad 2 - I think it's the first Android phone to come out with ios levels of smoothness.

Obviously everyone has different experiences though.

Touchwiz features extensive hardware acceleration and Samsung does some unique buffering on the UI to reduce shearing and lag. It works far better than HTC's Sense rendering. Touchwiz has a faint hint of input lag, but the rendering itself is the best in the android world.

This I why I think people are on drugs when they root and instill some turd no name bootleg ROM on their Galaxy S2 or S3. Touchwiz is what makes those phones run as nice as they do. We installed Jelly Bean on a GNEX last night and the UI rendering is still inferior to Touchwiz.

Though the rendering and overall UI responsiveness still goes to the iPhone. Especially the 4S which has hardware the well exceeds the demands of iOS.

 

[matttye]

Touchwiz features extensive hardware acceleration and Samsung does some unique buffering on the UI to reduce shearing and lag. It works far better than HTC's Sense rendering. Touchwiz has a faint hint of input lag, but the rendering itself is the best in the android world.

This I why I think people are on drugs when they root and instill some turd no name bootleg ROM on their Galaxy S2 or S3. Touchwiz is what makes those phones run as nice as they do. We installed Jelly Bean on a GNEX last night and the UI rendering is still inferior to Touchwiz.

Though the rendering and overall UI responsiveness still goes to the iPhone. Especially the 4S which has hardware the well exceeds the demands of iOS.

A stock ICS rom appeared to run more smoothly than touchwiz on my S2. Could be my imagination but it appeared to be significantly faster. I guess it could have been that the version of touchwiz running on my phone was buggy, causing it to run slower than intended.

 

[monkeylui]

I left the iPhone 4s for the galaxy s3. I gotta say that I'm quite impressed & very very happy.

I'm not one of those modders or anything, so I use it the way it comes. I've put on a few different widgets to try out and make my phone look a little different. Mostly pretty nice. I'm still playing around with it to find how I like it just right, how I use it etc.

the amount of options I have just to change settings around is amazing. I don't know why apple hasn't adopted this philosophy yet. Especially the quick settings in the notification bar. We already know they can change it around, why not add some quick settings. It just boggles my mind, it's so efficient for the user & is less of a distraction on user experience, I don't have to go hunting into the menus to turn wifi off, or some other silly thing.

I love apple and I love my iPad still. But I'm not one bit regretful that I switched to the galaxy s3.

I always say, essentially they do the same, make a call, open an app, etc. but it's the little details that they really got right in ICS.

Sad part is, the android forums out there are a horrendous hive of villainy & scum. Lol.

They are just so rude & have so much pent up angst. They talk about apple more than apples own users even do. Everyone is always bitching & complaining about something. Coming here is like going from skid row to the garden of Eden. I'll just start to use my galaxy s3 on my own I guess.

 

[Vegastouch]

Touchwiz features extensive hardware acceleration and Samsung does some unique buffering on the UI to reduce shearing and lag. It works far better than HTC's Sense rendering. Touchwiz has a faint hint of input lag, but the rendering itself is the best in the android world.

This I why I think people are on drugs when they root and instill some turd no name bootleg ROM on their Galaxy S2 or S3. Touchwiz is what makes those phones run as nice as they do. We installed Jelly Bean on a GNEX last night and the UI rendering is still inferior to Touchwiz.

Though the rendering and overall UI responsiveness still goes to the iPhone. Especially the 4S which has hardware the well exceeds the demands of iOS.

I can't speak for everyone but I never use touchwiz. Just don't prefer it. Running Apex right now. I'll give it a couple more days then switch to Nova and pick one of those for a default. This phone is pretty damn fast is all I can say.

 

[Technarchy]

They are just so rude & have so much pent up angst. They talk about apple more than apples own users even do. Everyone is always bitching & complaining about something. Coming here is like going from skid row to the garden of Eden. I'll just start to use my galaxy s3 on my own I guess.

Jealously is hate and envy at the same time. That pretty much sums up the android community when it comes to iOS.

 

[Wrathwitch]

Jealously is hate and envy at the same time. That pretty much sums up the android community when it comes to iOS.

Hmm, I have a SSGS3, so in essence I am part of the Android community now AND Apple community. To judge a whole community based on the actions of a few is dumb regardless of what OS you use! That kind of statement reflects the exact same kind of unappealing qualities that you are projecting on them.

Just sayin...

 

[Calidude]

Jealously is hate and envy at the same time. That pretty much sums up the android community when it comes to iOS.

To be honest, there's no hate or envy coming from the Android community at all. The Android community generally sees iOS users as suckers and something else I won't name.

 

[nefan65]

To be honest, there's no hate or envy coming from the Android community at all. The Android community generally sees iOS users as suckers and something else I won't name.

Then he was actually right; they have envy, and hate. Why should they care what someone else buys, or uses for a phone? If I owned a Lexus, I surely wouldn't be going to an Infiniti board, trolling around, spouting off how bad Infiniti is, and that all the owners are suckers...

Call it what you want, but I see it as envy, hate, and jealousy. They should get over it, and be happy with their phone.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Sad part is, the android forums out there are a horrendous hive of villainy & scum. Lol.

They are just so rude & have so much pent up angst. They talk about apple more than apples own users even do. Everyone is always bitching & complaining about something. Coming here is like going from skid row to the garden of Eden. I'll just start to use my galaxy s3 on my own I guess.

Not sure which forums you've visited, but the folks over at XDA are nice and polite as heck. And you don't get as large of rabid fanbase as you do here. I've said this before, something about Android owners are just more honest and forthcoming about the shortcomings of their OS than iOS owners of theirs.

Happy you're enjoying your SIII though.

To be honest, there's no hate or envy coming from the Android community at all. The Android community generally sees iOS users as suckers and something else I won't name.

Yeah, people aren't busy tearing at each other over which OS is better. They already know which is better.

 

[Calidude]

Why should they care what someone else buys, or uses for a phone?

iPhone users do the same thing to Android users. You're being one-sided.

I see it as envy, hate, and jealousy.

Well they hate it but the other stuff such as envy and jealousy, not at all. They can buy the iPhone just fine. They can buy 3 of them. A lot of them have more than one Android phone. They just don't want the iPhone. They really don't.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Nope, its none of that. They can buy the iPhone just fine. They can buy 3 of them. A lot of them have more than one Android phone. They just don't want the iPhone. They really don't.

Yeah, what's interesting to note is that a lot of people consider the iPhone as some luxury brand that people can't afford, except usually it's either the same price contractually as other high-end Android phones, and sometimes even cheaper (now that LTE phones are coming in at $299 on contract).

There's plenty of Android users that go mid-tier, but even they have the choice of the 4 ($99) or the 3GS for free. Oh well.

This whole notion that somehow Android users can't afford an iPhone and so settle with Android is ridiculous.

Off contract, however... is a different story. Apple charges quite a premium for an inferior OS and mostly inferior specs. Oh well.

 

[imanidiot]

I really think some of you guys should investigate a hobby other than collecting/obsessing about phones. Golf? Tennis? Something....

 

[Technarchy]

Then he was actually right; they have envy, and hate. Why should they care what someone else buys, or uses for a phone? If I owned a Lexus, I surely wouldn't be going to an Infiniti board, trolling around, spouting off how bad Infiniti is, and that all the owners are suckers...

Call it what you want, but I see it as envy, hate, and jealousy. They should get over it, and be happy with their phone.

It's sort of pathetic. Either way, you'll notice the age old saying is true: android fools think more about Apple than Apple users think about android.

I get it though. Their self worth is tied to acceptance and validation which makes living in the shadow of the iPhone a tough place to be.

Hence the jealousy which = hate and envy at the same time.

 

[Frankied22]

I really think some of you guys should investigate a hobby other than collecting/obsessing about phones. Golf? Tennis? Something....

Being interested in phones and tech in general is no different than being interested in restoring classic cars. Or any of the thousands of other interests/hobbies. Everyone has their own interests. To each their own. And whose to say they don't have multiple hobbies? Your suggestion could be applied to any hobby.

 

[nefan65]

iPhone users do the same thing to Android users. You're being one-sided.


Well they hate it but the other stuff such as envy and jealousy, not at all. They can buy the iPhone just fine. They can buy 3 of them. A lot of them have more than one Android phone. They just don't want the iPhone. They really don't.

I never said Apple users don't do the same thing. However, Android forums chatter far more about Apple than vice-versa.

Not going to get into it with you. We'll agree to disagree. Even though you made my point again with the last couple of sentences.

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Yeah, what's interesting to note is that a lot of people consider the iPhone as some luxury brand that people can't afford, except usually it's either the same price contractually as other high-end Android phones, and sometimes even cheaper (now that LTE phones are coming in at $299 on contract).

There's plenty of Android users that go mid-tier, but even they have the choice of the 4 ($99) or the 3GS for free. Oh well.

This whole notion that somehow Android users can't afford an iPhone and so settle with Android is ridiculous.

Off contract, however... is a different story. Apple charges quite a premium for an inferior OS and mostly inferior specs. Oh well.

My point wasn't about who could afford what phone. It was in response to another poster stating why Android fans continue to discuss Apple products, and make snarky comments about people who buy Apple products. If they don't care about Apple, and don't like their products/business practices, fine. Buy what you [they] like, and be done with it. But they seem to have some deep seeded fascination with Apple, and continue to go on/on about them. Seems odd to me...

 

[onthecouchagain]

Not going to get into it with you. We'll agree to disagree. Even though you made my point again with the last couple of sentences.

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My point wasn't about who could afford what phone. It was in response to another poster stating why Android fans continue to discuss Apple products, and make snarky comments about people who buy Apple products. If they don't care about Apple, and don't like their products/business practices, fine. Buy what you [they] like, and be done with it. But they seem to have some deep seeded fascination with Apple, and continue to go on/on about them. Seems odd to me...

I was responding mainly to Calidude's post, but sure, what you're saying is probable and even likely.

So what?

As for myself, I was a former 4 and 4S user, and an Apple fan in general (iPad/Macs), so Apple and the iPhone are always on my radar. Still enjoy discussing it and seeing what they unveil. There's also an obscene amount of ignorance and obfuscation of Android here, which is worth addressing, especially since there's a better OS lying in wait after you lift the fog.