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I don't understand why Apple doesn't sign restores for any supported version of iOS on devices that don't receive updates anymore, like the iPhone 4. There isn't a single good reason for them to enforce this when those devices don't receive security updates anymore.

$$$$ my friend. They don't want you to stay on the 4, they want you to upgrade to the 7.
 
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Please do not let people in on these secrets.

It is easier to complain and be lazy than to figure things out.

They won't even google things when they get annoyed to look for solutions.

Awesome...oh wait even after you delete the update and have auto download deselected it will still redownload next time Apple adds a .1 you connect to wi-if.
 
Has anyone run the math on what % of user base can't run ios10 to find the %age of devices that could run ios10 and are?
 
I know a lot of people don't even know that you can delete the download in settings where it shows how much space each app is taking up on your phone. Settings>General>storage>manage storage. If it downloaded the newest iOS it will show there. Then once it's deleted set up preferences to not allow auto downloads. That is what I did and I never get the prompts anymore. It will still show you have 1 software update but it won't download it anymore taking up space on your phone. That's how it works for me since iOS 10 came out.
Please do not let people in on these secrets.

It is easier to complain and be lazy than to figure things out.

They won't even google things when they get annoyed to look for solutions.

Awesome...oh wait even after you delete the update and have auto download deselected it will still redownload next time Apple adds a .1 you connect to wi-if.
After it's deleted, a future download can be avoided by installing the tvOS beta profile. The entry will be listed at Settings > General > Profile.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-update.2023604/#post-24111246
 
I honestly feel like they make it run slower on the previous gen devices.
That's not true. iOS updates, contrary to popular belief, do not intentionally slow devices down. iOS re-indexes the entire OS and migrates libraries which does cause the perceived slowdown for about 3-4 days after a big update, but after that, it's back to normal performance.

Also, all devices do tend to slow down over time. Newer software on older hardware = slower performance compared to newer devices with the latest hardware. It's just the natural evolution of tech. All of the new features in newer versions of the OS will usually not run as well on older devices as newer devices that had the new features designed around the new hardware.

For anyone wanting to read more on this topic, here you go:

http://www.imore.com/iphone-slow-explained-truth-about-ios-updates
 
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What that picture tells me is that Android phones are more future proof. We know they don't get updates, so people are using them longer if kit kat is such a large portion. I'm still on KitKat.

my mother just finally got a new phone. She had an S3 for Years. she felt absolutely no need to ever replace. it worked on day 1. and it worked technically to the very end. Heck, even after it bounced down stairs, onto concrete, shattering the screen, it still technically worked after. it was bootable. did everything, and the screen still was usable. just cracked the heck! She only replaced it because we pushed her to instead of just living with the broken screen

It was still on Kit Kat.
OS updates, were completely and utterly irrelevant. It still texted, emailed, and browsed the web.

While this is anecdotal. I don't believe it's unusual, but something happening frequently enough.

That picture is just manipulation of some data to push a narrative. they will ingore the reasons for the facts in order to use the facts for their own invented reason.
 
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Its why Apple is the industry leader in smartphone planned obsolscence.
And again with this load of rubbish, Apple does not plan to obsolete their devices. Why on Earth would they update devices for 5 years if they were intentionally trying to ruin them to get you to upgrade?

I'd be more concerned with Android phone manufacturers trying to obsolete their devices early to force upgrades since most Android phones are only supported for 1 major update (Marshmallow to Nougat). Not Apple.
 
Proof that extremely annoying and persistent nag screens work. Bummer. That only feeds Apple's cause to continue doing it forever. I wonder how many people would have "downgraded" to iOS 10 if they could have turned that nagging off for good.


I am still using IOS 9, the nag screen has not shown up on my screen within the last month. none of my apple divices have IOS 10 on them and I am not upgrading, I do not like IOS 10.
 
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I honestly feel like they make it run slower on the previous gen devices.

I honestly think it runs slower on current gen devices too, but you don't notice because they're just enough faster so that it feels about the same. I would agree they do it on purpose to 'encourage' you to buy newer hardware for newer hardware's sake (well more like their increased profits).
 
I honestly think it runs slower on current gen devices too, but you don't notice because they're just enough faster so that it feels about the same. I would agree they do it on purpose to 'encourage' you to buy newer hardware for newer hardware's sake (well more like their increased profits).

And again with this load of rubbish, Apple does not plan to obsolete their devices. Why on Earth would they update devices for 5 years if they were intentionally trying to ruin them to get you to upgrade?

I'd be more concerned with Android phone manufacturers trying to obsolete their devices early to force upgrades since most Android phones are only supported for 1 major update (Marshmallow to Nougat). Not Apple.

Read above post, and also read this for more info on iOS "slowdowns"

http://www.imore.com/iphone-slow-explained-truth-about-ios-updates
 
Curious (we'll never know) what the percentage of eligible devices is - pull out the iPhone 4s, iPad 3, iPod 5th gen, etc. and earlier that won't run iOS 10. That has to represent at least some small percentage of iOS devices in use.

I look at it the other way. How does Apple know what devices are "active"? In my household, I have an original iPad on iOS 3, and and iPad 4, iPad mini and 2 iPhone 4s's on iOS 6, all currently being used regularly and actively. None have connected to the App store or an Apple website in years.

I'd imagine the majority of ineligible devices are still in use. Why throw them away, there's always someone who can't afford the latest who will appreciate a working device.
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While I sympathize, I'll never quite understand this point of view. Since each OS update is usually released together with new hardware with advertised processor and (sometimes) memory upgrades, why would you expect older hardware to perform at the same level as new? A good rule of thumb is to hold off upgrading until you have had an opportunity to see what others who have upgraded are saying.

Because it's just a new OS. The OS shouldn't be so demanding on hardware that it can't fly on 5+ year old hardware. We're not talking about the latest games or productivity software needing the latest hardware here.
 
That's not true. iOS updates, contrary to popular belief, do not intentionally slow devices down. iOS re-indexes the entire OS and migrates libraries which does cause the perceived slowdown for about 3-4 days after a big update, but after that, it's back to normal performance.

Also, all devices do tend to slow down over time. Newer software on older hardware = slower performance compared to newer devices with the latest hardware. It's just the natural evolution of tech. All of the new features in newer versions of the OS will usually not run as well on older devices as newer devices that had the new features designed around the new hardware.

For anyone wanting to read more on this topic, here you go:

http://www.imore.com/iphone-slow-explained-truth-about-ios-updates
There is something to be said for this.

There have been postings on here on MR about the parallels with windows 10 and that Windows 10 will run fine on older PCs. PC World did a test of this and here is the result. New features and more code can slow a device down somewhat, that does not mean it's planned obsolesence. Nor does it mean the device rolls over. In the case of IOS 9, IOS 9 was faster than ios 8 and ios 10 is faster than IOS 9. But there are hundreds of new features and more code going into these releases.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2951...-windows-10-the-answer-will-surprise-you.html
 
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I don't like the way Apple tricked users to upgrade by continuously annoying customers with update reminder.
For iOS 10, I think it's still very buggy and a lot of issues weren't fixed, especially with iPhone 7.
I really really hope that the iPhone 7 cellular connection & gps location drifting issues could be solved soon.
Apple should respond to these problems and fix them instead of pushing users to update/trying new features.
 
I don't like the way Apple tricked users to upgrade by continuously annoying customers with update reminder.
For iOS 10, I think it's still very buggy and a lot of issues weren't fixed, especially with iPhone 7.
I really really hope that the iPhone 7 cellular connection & gps location drifting issues could be solved soon.
Apple should respond to these problems and fix them instead of pushing users to update/trying new features.
What issues are there with the iphone 7? I am running 10.3 on my 6s and 10.2.1 on my i7. Haven't notices any cellular issues and gps seems to be fine.
 
Read above post, and also read this for more info on iOS "slowdowns"

http://www.imore.com/iphone-slow-explained-truth-about-ios-updates

Sorry, but that article is a crock of poo. It tries to convince you that your iOS update isn't actually slow, but it just "feels that way" shortly after the update do it to updating crap on your phone. No, it's BLOAT. It's not ALL intentional (usually bloat is just lazy programming of huge systems like an OS that cuts corners to save time and adds layers of new garbage that may or may not even really be needed). But it certainly works to Apple's advantage to sell you a faster phone or computer.

When I bought my PowerMac Digital Audio used in 2005 for a little over $150, it was running dual 500MHz G4s. It felt OK in Jaguar that it came with. It wasn't a very well featured version of the OS and I soon updated it to Tiger. Oddly, Tiger ran FASTER (and after a 1GHz G4 upgrade and graphics card update, it ran pretty darn fast for some time, but I couldn't help but notice every new release of Firefox and the like felt just a little slower to the point when I ditched it as a server, the browser was SLOW. But that's general application bloat, not just OS bloat since it was still running Leopard as that was the last PPC release.

From what I've read faster was true of every OS X update until Leopard came out, which was the first SLOWER version of OS X. Next came Snow Leopard (for Intel only). That might be the most beloved version of OS X of all time, but I partially attribute that to the fact it was the first really STABLE version of OS X for Intel processors. My 2008 Macbook Pro came with Leopard and there is no doubt that Snow Leopard (by its final version, definitely not in the first couple of releases) was more stable. However, bench tests showed that Snow Leopard (despite its claims of being a 'tune-up' release ran a little bit slower than Leopard. Most of the "clean-up" was the space savings from removing a lot of no longer supported PPC code. It is after Snow Leopard that our true story of OS X becoming "bloatware" begins. Lion was a slow POS disaster and everyone knew it. I think it and Yosemite probably rank as the most hated versions of OS X of all time. I skipped both of them. Mountain Lion ran OK on my 2008 Macbook Pro. It's the first update I kept on it. Mountain Lion ran like gangbusters on my brand new Mac Mini quad-i7, but it was a quad i7 with a RAID setup! Mavericks felt a bit slower, but not crazy so. The first hints of the GUI being changed to pastel colour world began. Yosemite came out and it was the most bloated ugly POS I ever saw in my adult life. It made a quad-i7 Mac Mini feel like that PowerMac G4. I was able to update to El Capitain for one reason and that was the METAL hardware acceleration of the GUI. It basically restored the GUI to Mavericks type speeds, but I did notice the hard drive was running significantly slower in testing and the old 40 second boot time had eventually turned into about 3 minutes. That seemed to speed back up about 75% of the way on the last couple of updates (at least in the drive testing apps; the boot time is still slow). But my 2008 Macbook Pro has no Metal support and it feels significantly slower in El Capitan than Snow Leopard and I can prove it with Logic as my last album I recorded will no longer play in real time on every track under El Capitan where it did under Snow Leopard. A couple of tracks pushed the limit, but they played OK 90% of the time on previews and that's just one application. The whole GUI feels considerably slower and it suffered the same hard drive slow-downs that the Mini did during those version updates. And no it wasn't the hard drive that caused Logic to fail the live playback, but the CPU.

As for iOS, those slowdowns are not temporary as that article wants you to believe. There's more and more bloat and graphical chicanery (translucent overlapping menus anyone?) most of which is completely unnecessary.
 
I didn't go willingly but was forced to by Apple. And not only forcing me to upgrade to iOS 10 but also forced me to upgrade my Mac Pro 1,1 to El Capitan and had to buy a new video card to support it.
How I miss iOS 8. If I could legitimately downgrade I'd do it in an instant. Safari didn't constantly reload when switching between apps. I miss the ability to transfer app purchases from iPhone to iTunes. All lost.
 
Why doesn't Apple just make iOS updating built in and not give the user a choice? It's going to happen someday.
That way Apple can use up all my data automatically. If Apple was smart they pay the carriers to allow iOS to download updates for free. Probably would get faster and more adoption.
 
The update reminders are annoying, for sure. I told my wife to hold out for jaikbreak on her 7. She accidentally updated. Son didnas well (but he just clicks through bag messages so, whatever). Amazingly my mom hasn't lol. I specifically told her not to and... she listened! Amazing!

I don't know how much this effects actual adoption rate and I really don't care. I know that Apple has made it annoying to deal with ignoring updates. I can understand why they remind you, but not being able to simply select "I don't want this ever" is somthibgnill grinble about forever.
 
Most of the 16% of users on iOS 9 are not upgrading probably because many of them have 16g iOS devices and are full. Even if they are getting prompted with the upgrade message, they can't download and install the new iOS version OTA because their device is full. Most don't want to hook their device to a PC and do a back-up and update...

Basically don't know what your talking about hey.
 
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