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Maybe they pushed it back so they could fix the issues with AirPrint.

As has been said many times, the issue with AirPrint has nothing to do with iOS, and even if it does, the release version of 10.6.5 does not have proper support for it (as has been reported many times now). So releasing a "fixed" version of iOS wouldn't help because they would need to release a newer version of OS X as well.

To be honest I don't see any "delay" at all here. Apple never announced a date, so technically nothing has been pushed back or delayed. If it comes out next week, they probably have their reasons but I doubt it is last minute changes to iOS.
 
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The honeymoon period for my iPad wore off months ago. I'm not blinded by the "oooh shiny Apple gadget", and I realize now that it has major shortcomings and it SHOULD have shipped as I said.

Especially when you consider the fact that the iPad itself cost more than a reasonably powerful computer, and the 3G 64GB version costing as much as a self-built PC that would rival the Mac Pro in terms of overall power (and beat it significantly in GPU power). The iPad as it is now is an unfinished product. It needs 4.2. Desperately. It should have shipped with 4.x. Especially considering how much it cost.

While I agree that the iPad has a lot of short comings i disagree on a few points;
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You do sound more than a little whinny.
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Yes the iPad is grossly under powered, but you are wrong to imply it was a mistake to release it in the state it is. For one there simply wasn't a better processor choice available. Two; I don't think you have a clue about what it takes to get a completely brand new product to market. I've said it before and i'll say it again iPad is Apples best rev one product ever, but it is still rev one.
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If you don't heed peoples warnings about rev one devices then you really have no basis to complain. It is simple as that. Almost every rev one device has been underpowered, or only implementing a partial vision. The examples are endless from the original AIRs to the original iPhones. Even the original Mac could be seen as a very rev one device.
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Hindsight is a beautiful thing but really is only valuable as a learning tail. I don't know why Apple obviously deleted the camera from the original iPad. Frankly we may never know why, but it doesn't matter because people are buying iPads right now without a thought about a camera.
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The one thing I don't disagree with is Apples sky high pricing. Especially the very high additional costs of 3G and flash.

In any event iPad as it is has its good and bad points. I was getting close to buying one until I turned around on the idea of FaceTime. Now i see FaceTime as a feature I might actually want to have around. Thus I wait for iPad 2 to hopefully address some of those issues. The thing here is if something is obviously missing a feature you might want then why buy it? The things that keep me off iPad are RAM / general performance and Facetime so it would be silly for me to buy an iPad now, why somebody else would is beyond me.
 
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This is annoying.

The iPad SHOULD have shipped with iOS 4.x. Since getting my iPhone 4, I've used my iPad less and less and less because of the lack of multi-tasking and non-working EQ.

And even though I have no use for them, the iPad should have debuted with dual cameras and "FaceTime". But Apple kept that for the iPhone 4 to drive its sales and for a second generation iPad, leaving those of us who bought the original iPad out in the cold without features that it should have had from the start.


And the iPhone 3GS should have had a front facing camera, a retina display, and so on and so forth right? That's technology bud, no one forces anyone to buy anything.

Now tell us how you really feel.
 
I'm using the gm so don't mind the delay. However ther is definitely a wifi issue with the gm which had to be fixed before general release. Glad apple held off to fix this hopefully
 
Ever since I installed iOS 4.2 GM on my iPad I have noticed a decrease in battery life. Am I the only one?

Could u tell me more detail on this issue? eg. How many total standby hours on 4.2 compared to previous version? I think Apple always concern about the battery lifetime. This shouldn't be a problem in the released version!
 
What a mature reply :rolleyes:

The honeymoon period for my iPad wore off months ago. I'm not blinded by the "oooh shiny Apple gadget", and I realize now that it has major shortcomings and it SHOULD have shipped as I said.

Especially when you consider the fact that the iPad itself cost more than a reasonably powerful computer, and the 3G 64GB version costing as much as a self-built PC that would rival the Mac Pro in terms of overall power (and beat it significantly in GPU power). The iPad as it is now is an unfinished product. It needs 4.2. Desperately. It should have shipped with 4.x. Especially considering how much it cost.

Then sell it, be done with it and stop annoying the crap out of the rest of us who don't care about pathetic people like you. By the way, you can't build a PC that can out perform a Mac Pro for that price point. A computer's cost also includes the time to build it. Unless you work for minimum wage, the cost to build a computer and install the OS is not cheap. Not to mention, a Mac Pro is much more stable than a poorly cobbled together PC from cheap parts.
 
Could u tell me more detail on this issue? eg. How many total standby hours on 4.2 compared to previous version? I think Apple always concern about the battery lifetime. This shouldn't be a problem in the released version!

Well I haven't been keeping track of time with a stopwatch or anything, but today after a full charge, I used it for about 30 minutes and my the battery percentage went down to 85%. It was just simple web browsing, and a few videos over wifi. If I remember correctly, it used to go down to +/-93% before. Don't get me wrong, I can still go a full day without charging, but it seems like the battery drains a little quicker.
 
Maybe they are going to take some time to fix the folder issues with the iPad ? Its so unstable items randomly pop out of folders, all of the folders disappear and the home screen items randomly reverse.

Beyond that 4.2 is so far so good, but resetting the folders 5 times since I got a copy of the GM was ... very annoying to say the least.
 
This is annoying.

The iPad SHOULD have shipped with iOS 4.x. Since getting my iPhone 4, I've used my iPad less and less and less because of the lack of multi-tasking and non-working EQ.

And even though I have no use for them, the iPad should have debuted with dual cameras and "FaceTime". But Apple kept that for the iPhone 4 to drive its sales and for a second generation iPad, leaving those of us who bought the original iPad out in the cold without features that it should have had from the start.

So you knew it but bought it anyway.. who's fault?:rolleyes:
 
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You do sound more than a little whinny.

People always say things like that when they don't like to hear the truth.

Yes the iPad is grossly under powered, but you are wrong to imply it was a mistake to release it in the state it is. For one there simply wasn't a better processor choice available. Two; I don't think you have a clue about what it takes to get a completely brand new product to market. I've said it before and i'll say it again iPad is Apples best rev one product ever, but it is still rev one.

I didn't say anything about the actual power of the device. I'm talking about how it shipped with an extremely outdated OS for what it is and how its not right that those of us who spent so much money on this device have to wait so long for it to finally get what it should have had out the door.

If you don't heed peoples warnings about rev one devices then you really have no basis to complain. It is simple as that. Almost every rev one device has been underpowered, or only implementing a partial vision. The examples are endless from the original AIRs to the original iPhones. Even the original Mac could be seen as a very rev one device.

The difference between the iPad and other devices is that Jobs and others new the iPhone 4 was coming out with dual cameras, the main iOS team had multi-tasking and all sorts of other neat new feature coming, and the iPad got screwed out of all of this for sake of secrecy and profit margins.

It's not like they released the iPad and a year later completely revised it. They released the iPad, showed a significantly updated version of iOS just a few days after launch and proclaimed iPad would have to wait several additional months to receive it, and within weeks of iPads launch, iPhone 4 is introduced with every feature, save the retina display, that should have been included on the iPad.

Again, Jobs and company knew what was in the product line yet they chose to keep the iPad limited for sake of profit.

The thing here is if something is obviously missing a feature you might want then why buy it?

Being somebody who bought an iPad on launch day, it was a little too late to return it by the time the iPhone 4 was announced and it was clear that every single iPad owner had just been shafted.

And the iPhone 3GS should have had a front facing camera, a retina display, and so on and so forth right? That's technology bud, no one forces anyone to buy anything.

As I said, this isn't a case of the product being released one year then being revised a year later. Jobs and others knew exactly where they were going with the iPhone, iPod touch, and eventually the iPad. But they intentionally held the iPad back for sake of profit margins. Within days of the iPad's release, we get word of iOS 4 and it not being ready for the iPad for several months after initial launch. Then a few weeks later we see iPhone 4, making it clear that all iOS devices will have dual cameras and "FaceTime".

Why didn't the iPad ship with this? Because it's better to debut it with the iPhone 4, since that is Apple's biggest money maker, and try to get as many iPad early adopters to upgrade next year.

Then sell it, be done with it and stop annoying the crap out of the rest of us who don't care about pathetic people like you. By the way, you can't build a PC that can out perform a Mac Pro for that price point. A computer's cost also includes the time to build it. Unless you work for minimum wage, the cost to build a computer and install the OS is not cheap. Not to mention, a Mac Pro is much more stable than a poorly cobbled together PC from cheap parts.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but the only thing that sets the Xeon apart from Core i7 is the ability to use ECC memory. Apple uses the same chipsets and such as everyone else. In some cases, Apple uses lower quality parts than others. Case in point would be the Panasonic (Matsushita) DVD writers.

Contrary to popular belief among Apple forums, GOOD PC parts can be had for dirt cheap compared to Macs. Once you have all of those parts it barely takes a few minutes to throw the entire computer together. Installing the OS? Well, considering how much bloat OS X ships with (Several GB worth of printer drivers still installed in Snow Leopard, as well as language translations and other things), you have to reinstall OS X as soon as you get a Mac. So installing the OS and downloading updates is a moot point considering OS X has you download a few GB worth of updates out of the box. I just reinstalled Snow Leopard recently, when iLife '11 came out. Wanted a clean start. I still had over 2GB worth of updates to download.

So you knew it but bought it anyway.. who's fault?:rolleyes:

Had my iPad on launch day. Didn't find out about FaceTime and such until I was weeks passed the return window.

Didn't find out about iOS 4 until half way into that return window and didn't think we'd be waiting until almost the end of the year to finally get that update. Thought September at most, since that is usually what Apple refers to as "Fall".

Edit: To put it in perspective, we're about two and a half months away from the one year anniversary original iPad announcement. And we're still running the same software shown in that demo. In that same time, the iPhone and iPod touch lines have received two significant software upgrades that have changed how those devices are being used.

My iPad, that cost me over $400 more than my iPhone 4, sits basically unused because the lack of multi-tasking and non-working EQ for music kills its usability for anything other than being a very expensive eReader.
 
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@mosx: man, you are so Full of pc thinking. I don't care whether you are able to build a cheaper, faster pc. What os will it be running? Some creepy Windows trash? Or Linux? I need a computer to work with, not to work in it! You only Look at the hardware stats. There is no cheaper alternative to the iMac, MacBook (Especially Air) or mini. Do you really think you are smarter than the millions of happy Apple users over the last 10 years? Stick to your pc, i bet you do Not even own an iPad. Nothing but trolling.
 
Had my iPad on launch day. Didn't find out about FaceTime and such until I was weeks passed the return window.

Didn't find out about iOS 4 until half way into that return window and didn't think we'd be waiting until almost the end of the year to finally get that update. Thought September at most, since that is usually what Apple refers to as "Fall".

Edit: To put it in perspective, we're about two and a half months away from the one year anniversary original iPad announcement. And we're still running the same software shown in that demo. In that same time, the iPhone and iPod touch lines have received two significant software upgrades that have changed how those devices are being used.

My iPad, that cost me over $400 more than my iPhone 4, sits basically unused because the lack of multi-tasking and non-working EQ for music kills its usability for anything other than being a very expensive eReader.


this is why i love forums... it will be here when its here, rumours are jsut rumours until they come true ;)

now what are we arguing about again :):) ive got popcorn and everything!
 
I wonder if they're circumventing the print function that Chuck G provided for those of us who don't have HP ePrinters (or whatever the heck they're called).
 
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@mosx: man, you are so Full of pc thinking. I don't care whether you are able to build a cheaper, faster pc. What os will it be running? Some creepy Windows trash? Or Linux? I need a computer to work with, not to work in it! You only Look at the hardware stats. There is no cheaper alternative to the iMac, MacBook (Especially Air) or mini. Do you really think you are smarter than the millions of happy Apple users over the last 10 years? Stick to your pc, i bet you do Not even own

It's been almost four years since I bought a Mac. Two years since Apple swapped out my second for a third due to shoddy warranty service.

My first Mac ran 10.4.8 at purchase and now I run 10.6.5 on a late 2008 unibody MacBook. I also run Windows 7 on my Mac and on my PC.

One thing I've learned is that OS X offers no advantages over Windows. None. And I have yet to hear a negative thing said about Windows on this or any other Apple related forum that is actually true and not outdated by nearly 20 years.

There are better alternatives to Macs. If you prefer form over functionality, then you won't find better deals in your opinion. But if you want your computer to be an actual tool, there are far better deals to be had elsewhere.

Look at the Mac mini for instance. It's $699 for 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320GB HDD, DVD writer, integrated GeForce 320M GPU. No keyboard or mouse. At Dell I can get the Zino HD for $749 with an AMD Phenom II X4 (true quad core) 1.7GHz, 6GB RAM, 750GB HDD, KB and mouse, a blu-ray reader, and a Radeon 5450 dedicated GPU. The Dell is 2" taller, but about the same weight, width, and depth. Why is the Dell taller? Because it uses a 3.5" HDD. There is absolutely no way a Mac mini is better than that.

Anyway, the last thing I'll say about this, since I don't want to derail this thread, is that Apple's low single digit worldwide market share proves that people want their computers to be FAST TOOLS, not pretty fashion accessories. And that they will take a computer that is uglier yet considerably cheaper, faster, and more productive than an iMac.
 
I'd rather wait some more days and get a presumably improved version of the GM than start all over again with annoying OS-issues like I did last year with creepy iPhone OS 3.1.

Calm down, guys
 
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The thing here is if something is obviously missing a feature you might want then why buy it? The things that keep me off iPad are RAM / general performance and Facetime so it would be silly for me to buy an iPad now, why somebody else would is beyond me.

The iPad is more than a simple touchscreen device: the ecosystem is vast and therefore why you would need one is dependent on whether the ecosystem covers a useful part of your life. Take me: I have 2 young daughters and I don't fly. So I bought an iPad to sling in between the 2 headrests of the car when we drive through Europe and my girls watch whichever of the 30 film I have loaded. They can use it themselves and there is no need to take the damned thing out of a carry case every time I want to change the film. Add to that the fact the educational and entertainment apps for children are incredible and that no other environment offers that level of interaction. Then of course it is another web device in a house of 4, meaning that access is easier and less dependent on another machine being free. I buy books for my daughters and read them when they go to bed using iBooks and Kindle. I have been trying to read them longer stories (beyond picture books) and I find that being able to try a sample first to be extremely useful as I can actually test it out on my daughters and see if it's got their attention. I can read and edit docs from work on it - I wouldn't write a whole doc, but as a reviewing tool it is great. And of course, I can pass away the odd 15 mins playing a game that only cost me 59p and doesn't require internet connectivity.

Finally I have an Apple TV coming next week and I can therefore remote control it from the iPad, and with iOS 4.2 I can stream directly from it. I have held out on the Apple TV until now because it has not served a useful purpose for me until now.

So for the issues: does it annoy me that it doesn't multi-task (yet): about once a day and annoy is too strong a word. Does the fact that it doesn't have a forward facing camera annoy me? No as I have other methods for video chatting, however I admit that it would be useful. Does it annoy me that the processor is not a quad-core 3.6GHz beast? Don't be ridiculous. The previous argument that you could build a powerful desktop machine for the price, completely misses the point. One may as well say that for the price of the moon missions, NASA could have built 10's of 1000's of cars that could have covered the same distance and carried more people. The point is that the destination could not have been the moon and the absence of a powerful processor means that the iPad fills a genuine gap in some lifestyles that a desktop of even laptop cannot (no matter how small a laptop, you can't prop it up in a 2" space next to a wall and watch TV whilst cooking dinner).

In fact I am quite lucky as there is room in my family for 2 iPads and therefore I can wait for rev 2 before buying number 2 and therefore have the best of both worlds. I am assuming a forward facing camera, more RAM and a slightly faster processor. With a bit of luck we may get close to the retina display resolution which would make it slightly easier on the eyes.
 
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What a mature reply :rolleyes:

The honeymoon period for my iPad wore off months ago. I'm not blinded by the "oooh shiny Apple gadget", and I realize now that it has major shortcomings and it SHOULD have shipped as I said.

Especially when you consider the fact that the iPad itself cost more than a reasonably powerful computer, and the 3G 64GB version costing as much as a self-built PC that would rival the Mac Pro in terms of overall power (and beat it significantly in GPU power). The iPad as it is now is an unfinished product. It needs 4.2. Desperately. It should have shipped with 4.x. Especially considering how much it cost.

It doesn't cost that much right now and it certainly didn't when it was brand new (look at how other tablets compare on price). You're paying for a lot of extremely advanced tech shrunk down to the size of a writing pad.

You can't compare the iPad to a cheap build-your-own PC because the two don't compete. I can't sit on the sofa and check Twitter on your home-built PC, and I could care less about games and GPUs. If you don't like the iPad because it doesn't fit your needs sell it and buy something that does.

I use my iPad all the time, and I love OS 3.2, it's fine for me. I miss universal inbox, maybe, but multi-tasking makes no real difference since apps load fast enough anyway.

Stop moaning.
 
This is annoying.

The iPad SHOULD have shipped with iOS 4.x.

Captain Hindsight to the rescue!

No but seriously, the iOS software update isn't late at this stage - complaining about it being so is ridiculous as it's slated for a November release. A member used the old saying "Watched kettle never boils" and while I'm also very excited about the release, it's very true. Give it time.
 
I'm an Apple fanboy. Over the last year and a half, I bought a mac mini, iPhone4, mac pro and iPad

The iPad is my favourite device out of all of those, even though it's the least spec'd machine. It's great for browsing the internet on the couch. Or watching TV on the bog. Or cooking. Or something to use while travelling

There's a good article on why it may be a disruptive technology in the UK Telegraph today:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/edmundconway/100008603/why-the-ipad-will-take-over-the-world/
 
Why didn't the iPad ship with this? Because it's better to debut it with the iPhone 4, since that is Apple's biggest money maker, and try to get as many iPad early adopters to upgrade next year.

Some people amaze me. Apple is a profit generating organisation. It's current profits allow it to invest in R&D and generate amazing products. You complain that they shafted you, but then why did you buy it? If the product was not fit for purpose then you should have made that call on held off.

Apple may well have known that iOS 4 was around the corner and that retina displays were on the production lines as the iPad was launched. So what? There are cycles and the iPad was at the front of one cycle and behind in others (i.e. it was ahead in the A4 processor, but behind in the OS and screen resolution - incidentally, the failure rate on iPad screens would be much higher than iPhone screens and therefore the iPad price would have been higher. Let's hope that we get closer next year).

You remind me of the guy I met at a party last week. He told me how over priced the ipad was and that company x (I forget) will be launching an iPad "killer" next year that will have more memory and a front facing camera. Of course it has to be next year, because they never thought of doing it until then and then of course they have to wait for Android as it can't support screens that large. So Apple is overpriced because someone will do it more cheaply in the future. "Hey dad, don't buy that CD player for £100 (£500 with inflation). If you hold out for 25 years you'll be able to pick up the same quality for £20 (£4 for inflation).". "You're right son, what was I thinking, this damned Sony is trying to screw me".

My overall point is that buy it if you need it. At one time people's vanity only went as far as what they had now: gadget v1 is the best until v2 comes out. Now people's vanity stretches as far as the future. "O, you've got v2, but v3 is coming out in about 10 months and it will have x, y and z". You bow your head in shame for having wasted your money when you should have just held out for v3. But think of the poor sod who does by v3, only to realise that v4 is going to be sooooooo much more.

Finally, count yourself lucky that Apple is led by a visionary, that is passionate about what he does. Is he commercial? Absolutely and thanks for it - if he weren't, then our discussions on Apple would be in the ilk of "do you remember Apple'?.
 
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Had my iPad on launch day. Didn't find out about FaceTime and such until I was weeks passed the return window.

Didn't find out about iOS 4 until half way into that return window and didn't think we'd be waiting until almost the end of the year to finally get that update. Thought September at most, since that is usually what Apple refers to as "Fall".

Fall lasts until December 21st. Apple doesn't care what you think they "refer to as "Fall"".
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My iPad, that cost me over $400 more than my iPhone 4

Your iPhone 4 is still costing you as you're paying it off every month through AT&T. $199 is NOT the retail price, it's a subsidised price that you only get if you sign up to a contract.

The retail price for a new iPhone 4 is £499 (16GB) and £599 (32GB) in the UK, not sure what they'd be in the US, if it were sold independently there. To put this into perspective, the cheapest iPad is £429, a whole £70 less.

, sits basically unused because the lack of multi-tasking and non-working EQ for music kills its usability for anything other than being a very expensive eReader.

You knew all this when you bought it, and you know that it will be addressed in 4.2. You also know that 4.2 is coming out next week, half-way through fall. So just sit back and relax a bit.
 
Che. I was hoping for tomorrow. Oh well, they didn't specify when exactly in November. Not their fault.

Oh if it's Tuesday it's a miracle. Apple says November they mean the last day in November, two minutes to midnight. Later in the quarter means the last day of the quarter. Seasons, like spring or winter, the last possible day before the equinox or solstice. With releases occurring at the appointed date in the time zone farthest behind all the rest.*

If Apple says November and it's released mid-November we may need to worry about crows flying backward, seas turning to blood, that sort of thing.

*Important notes: If in ANY year they say "February" they mean February 29th of the next calendar leap year. Also, should the product not be ready by the specified date, they ship it anyway, calling it a public beta. Or more likely just version 1.0. If that's not reasonably possible -- the product has a bug which makes it eat household pets, immediately causes a global ice age, along those lines -- Steve has a private, in-house developed iPhone app that stops time.

The retail price for a new iPhone 4 is £499 (16GB) and £599 (32GB) in the UK, not sure what they'd be in the US, if it were sold independently there.

They sell them contracts here, at least to people currently in AT&T contracts but with no subsidized upgrade consideration yet available. For the 16GB 4, I believe it's US$500. So quite a bit cheaper than in the UK. But, hey, you guys have Coldplay and stuff.
 
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My guess now is that Apple pulled Airprint from 10.6.5 to release it within iTunes 10.1 and 10.6.6 and iOS 4.2
 
...and non-working EQ.

What? I just went to the trouble to test mine. The EQ works fine, just like it always has on every iPod and iPhone since the feature was introduced. You perhaps meant an "equalizer," like the software version of one of those fancy boxes with all the knobs and sliders audio wireheads used to plug into their car-priced stereo systems back in 1982? You know, a device with which you actually make significant and often even rational changes in how the music sounds? iPods and iPhones have never had that. But the EQ works just fine.
 
They sell them contracts here, at least to people currently in AT&T contracts but with no subsidized upgrade consideration yet available. For the 16GB 4, I believe it's US$500. So quite a bit cheaper than in the UK. But, hey, you guys have Coldplay and stuff.

Yeh, the argument still holds. The iPad is not $400 more expensive than the iPhone 4, as mosx claims. They're at least the same price, and usually the iPad is cheaper.
 
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